Phazer
.338 Win Mag
And it ends so well for the player "infiltrator", too.
Active Shooter Mandalay Bay
- Thread starter Darth
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Sorry, its more than fucked up, its suspicious. The police stated that a phone charger not belonging to the shooter was found in the room 4 days after the shooting. the police retracted that statement about ten days after the shooting.and said it belonged to shooter and the phone was in the room . Were not talking about a 24 hour period here where something could be misunderstood , Were talking about a week and half. Even Local cops would not make a such a mistake.
If the FBI and Police cant figure out that a phone charger belongs to the shooter , its more than just a simple mistake here. These are collage educated and Federally trained law enforcement officers ,these arnt stupid men . That's the problem . They would have known shortly after they arrived if the phone charger fit or not. Reports were made that the phone charger didn't fit .That information was released days after the event that the charger was found and didnt belong to the shooter. Quote ""didn't belong to any phone in the room"" that means they tried it! How else could they ascertain if it fit or not? they then did a 180 and now say Oh yeah it fits his phone we found in the room disregard our early reports . These aint high school kids , these are professional law enforcement officers .
All conspiracy theory bullshit aside, the charger doesn't prove anything , the last person in the room could have left it in the wall or a drawer , no big conspiracy . But that's not the issue . the issue is the story keeps changing after they release a statement . Which can be understandable in confusing situations , but this isn't one of them . Its a cord for christs sake, it fits or it doesn't , theres nothing confusing about plugging a friggen cord into a phone . It doesn't take ten friggen days to figure it out .
And if their wrong about the cord what else are they wrong about? Your going to take the word of men who don't know how to plug in a cord? Come on man . something is off here.
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
The target gives away the motive .
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Just got back from sin city today. I can tell you that the window was already fixed when I arrived there on the 5th. But I didn't see anything indicating a 4th floor shooter. But maybe the black ops agents put the window back in because I guess these windows can be replaced pretty easily 
It's business as usual in vegas. I did get a nice treat when catching up on my emails though. It's from the other site. Seems like it's business as usual there as well. And this site too so everything is back in sync.
It's business as usual in vegas. I did get a nice treat when catching up on my emails though. It's from the other site. Seems like it's business as usual there as well. And this site too so everything is back in sync. 
freddy
.308 Win
I think it is very easy to overestimate the collage/college educated people you describe, and give them more credit than they deserve.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Your saying that you believe a bunch of incompetant idiots?
These people do this for a living , they prosecute the highest cases ,there are procedures and guidelines to follow , You don't make statements to the public off the top of your head ,and then retract them . You can be fired for that. This type of thing is extremely unusual. Do you know what good defense lawyer could do to this type of thing? You think that this was just a mistake? at least a dozen FBI agents and they all guessed that the charger wasn't his ? Then checked it ten days later and found out it actually was? 10 days later? 24 hours? OK , ten days there is a problem . Your saying nobody checked that charger in ten days ? It took 4 days to say it wasn't his, and another 6 to find out they were wrong? That's ridiculous. This is not a small mistake by any means , this can change the whole investigation .
If You believe that your more gullible than I thought.
Any given team of local detectives, would never make that kind of mistake in a high profile case . Never. This is ABC detective work , Why in the world would they come out in public and say it didn't fit any phone in the room when nobody actually checked it? the lead investigator in the case has written reports about what was found and any thing suspicious they need to focus on . he didn't just make this shit up, Somewhere down the line somebody checked that phone and reported it to his supervisor. he has some men talking to witnesses some men checking the hotel video some men are inventorying the room , ect, and they are reporting back what was found . You think they didn't check the numbers on his phone or get copy's of his bill from his phone company? they know who he talked to and when , and Im sure they been visited by the men in suits already. Incompetence at this level , in a case this big, by so many people is just not believable .
Let me say again, that I don't think the charger proves anything in itself, it could be the housecleaning for all I know .
These people do this for a living , they prosecute the highest cases ,there are procedures and guidelines to follow , You don't make statements to the public off the top of your head ,and then retract them . You can be fired for that. This type of thing is extremely unusual. Do you know what good defense lawyer could do to this type of thing? You think that this was just a mistake? at least a dozen FBI agents and they all guessed that the charger wasn't his ? Then checked it ten days later and found out it actually was? 10 days later? 24 hours? OK , ten days there is a problem . Your saying nobody checked that charger in ten days ? It took 4 days to say it wasn't his, and another 6 to find out they were wrong? That's ridiculous. This is not a small mistake by any means , this can change the whole investigation .
If You believe that your more gullible than I thought.
Any given team of local detectives, would never make that kind of mistake in a high profile case . Never. This is ABC detective work , Why in the world would they come out in public and say it didn't fit any phone in the room when nobody actually checked it? the lead investigator in the case has written reports about what was found and any thing suspicious they need to focus on . he didn't just make this shit up, Somewhere down the line somebody checked that phone and reported it to his supervisor. he has some men talking to witnesses some men checking the hotel video some men are inventorying the room , ect, and they are reporting back what was found . You think they didn't check the numbers on his phone or get copy's of his bill from his phone company? they know who he talked to and when , and Im sure they been visited by the men in suits already. Incompetence at this level , in a case this big, by so many people is just not believable .
Let me say again, that I don't think the charger proves anything in itself, it could be the housecleaning for all I know .
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Its likely not incompetence, but rather purposeful misdirection.
The big question is why. Either they're hiding something, or they were trying to flush something out.
Either way the locals and the FBI come out looking like assholes.
The big question is why. Either they're hiding something, or they were trying to flush something out.
Either way the locals and the FBI come out looking like assholes.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Heres a thing that's been irking me. The police have come out and said that the security guard was shot while checking on an door alarm to a different room on the 32nd floor before the shooting took place, firing 200 rounds through the door and hitting the security guard.OK Why? The security guard had no idea that a shooting was going to take place. He posed no threat to the shooter at this point. What made him shoot the security guard? why jeopardize his plan? Why bother? the guard was looking at another room , he had no grounds suspect anything was wrong in the shooters room. yet the shooter chose him first. before breaking the windows and shooting the crowd.
I know, nobody can understand the mind of a madman , but his actions(aside from the shooting ) proved he wasn't mad at all. Nothing in his life would make people think that.
I know, nobody can understand the mind of a madman , but his actions(aside from the shooting ) proved he wasn't mad at all. Nothing in his life would make people think that.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
That's probably the least sketchy part in my mind. The kook was almost set to go, then sees a security guard on his homemade surveillance system - about to ruin everything. So he took out the guard and got down to business. The round count through the door is irrelevant.
I can accept that an evil guy tried to kill a lot of people. I have a hard time trying to find a reason for the changing narrative from the cops.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The guy isn't crazy. A crazy person just drives up and starts spraying the crowd. This took meticulous planning. The purchases of the rifles. The installing of the stocks which is complicated for an amateur who's not into guns. The cameras to watch the hallway. The perfect vantage point. ECT.
No way was he a lone crazy person. He had guns for multiple people. He wasn't alone like they want you to believe. The multiple guns that one person cannot use, the woman in the crowd, ECT.
What I think is happening here is that the FBI and local law enforcement are butting heads but the FBI ends up winning in the end. That's why the story and facts keep changing. This points to a conspiracy involving multiple people. The FBI is spinning it to be a Lone Wolf that's dead because they do not want to reveal that the multiple shooters are at large. That's why the local sheriff looks like he's under duress after being forced to go along with the narrative. He knows this wasn't a lone gunman.
No way was he a lone crazy person. He had guns for multiple people. He wasn't alone like they want you to believe. The multiple guns that one person cannot use, the woman in the crowd, ECT.
What I think is happening here is that the FBI and local law enforcement are butting heads but the FBI ends up winning in the end. That's why the story and facts keep changing. This points to a conspiracy involving multiple people. The FBI is spinning it to be a Lone Wolf that's dead because they do not want to reveal that the multiple shooters are at large. That's why the local sheriff looks like he's under duress after being forced to go along with the narrative. He knows this wasn't a lone gunman.
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Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
I agree, it took 'some' meticulous planning. What exactly Paddocks role was in all this remains uncertain. Sadly many of our long standing, once trusted government bureaucracies can no longer be relied upon for the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God. Maybe Comey and Mueller can get to the bottom of it.
Robin
Robin
I don't know how some other shooters were able to escape, but I agree with you that there is no way he brought 23 guns up there for himself to use exclusively.
I think others were definitely involved. Maybe they didn't show up to shoot, and he went at it alone. But there is just so much here that is not adding up.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Ya think!?!
Robin
Robin
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Now sit down and think about why the FBI wouldn't want it to be revealed that multiple gunman are at large.
-to hide the fact that an ANTIFA or ANTIFA like group committed the attack so as not to cause revenge acts?
-to hide the fact that perps are at large to make them feel comfortable so they can slip up and be caught?
-to hide a bigger conspiracy that has Fast and Furious ties?
Whatever the reason, they are hiding that it was more than one person.
-to hide the fact that an ANTIFA or ANTIFA like group committed the attack so as not to cause revenge acts?
-to hide the fact that perps are at large to make them feel comfortable so they can slip up and be caught?
-to hide a bigger conspiracy that has Fast and Furious ties?
Whatever the reason, they are hiding that it was more than one person.
freddy
.308 Win
Two good articles. Steyn talks about how the basic facts keep changing. Coulter calls bullshit on Paddock being a successful professional gambler.
What Happens in Vegas Doesn't Stay in Reno
October 11, 2017 - MEDIA BEGGING US FOR CONSPIRACY THEORIES ON LAS VEGAS
What Happens in Vegas Doesn't Stay in Reno
October 11, 2017 - MEDIA BEGGING US FOR CONSPIRACY THEORIES ON LAS VEGAS
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
freddy
.308 Win
freddy
.308 Win
Magnus
6.5 Creedmoor
People need closure. They need to know why this happened, they can't just accept that it happened, otherwise their lives become meaningless. Then there are others that need something to blame other than the killer.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
"Forensic acoustic evidence". These videos are such a joke. These are the type of videos that have people believing the world is flat.
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Magnus
6.5 Creedmoor
What if it was Trump? MGM stock was on the rise Sept 29th, October 2nd it took a nose dive and continues to plummet. His battles against Casinos didn't do so well in Atlantic City. Tin foil hats anyone??
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Yes, you are probably the only one that doesn't care about motive. There are several logical reasons and even some natural instinctive reasons for wanting to know motive. One very important finding might be that he had no motive and didn't do it. The fact that you lack intellectual or even a natural curiosity makes me wonder!
Robin
Robin
freddy
.308 Win
Magnus
6.5 Creedmoor
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
That about sums it up Prambo.
Robin
Robin