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[holdover]

Politicians couldn't even speak without mentioning Sandy hook 10 times in one sentence for almost two years , the largest mass shooting in US history is almost never mentioned in the main stream media .

I can understand if this guy was in and out of psyche wards, was on heavy medication, and a serious gripe with the world , demonstrated that he was bat shit crazy in some way , this guy was a retired successful millionaire. appeared to be of sound mind. didn't have any known issues with anyone , brings 23 rifles to his room thousands of rounds of ammunition multiple computers and phones and a box of drills . fills his car with tannerite parks where he cant shoot it.

The way I see it, he was a retired DOD personnel, ran in the same circles as the feds , had a pilots license and two planes lived within range of the border , and had laundered millions through the casinos as a successful" blackjack player"" In my opinion he was working with the FBI ATF in a gun running operation that went south. That's why he had so much merchandise in his room . the rest of the story is blank . possibly selling to terrorists ? terrorist find out hes an agent and kill him use him for a patsy? who knows ?

I have a hard time swallowing the fact that a guy who has it made decides to do this without even telling anyone why. Tell me he lost his pension or his wife left him or his kid died or something , tell me he was psychopath who killed dogs with a straight razor or burned cats loved slasher movies . Don't tell me he can beat the casinos , and had it made, and did this for no reason. I just cant buy it.

One more thing is that the paper on the counter had ranging and ballistic information according to the police. why would someone who knew about guns and shooting place a high end scope on a rifle with a bumpstock to hit a target the size of a parking lot? And if he didn't know about about guns he wouldn't have known how to do proper calculations to begin with ?

 

[Glenn B]

I have a hard time swallowing the fact that a guy who has it made decides to do this without even telling anyone why. Tell me he lost his pension or his wife left him or his kid died or something , tell me he was psychopath who killed dogs with a straight razor or burned cats loved slasher movies . Don't tell me he can beat the casinos , and had it made, and did this for no reason. I just cant buy it.

So, in your conspiracy theorizing, have you already ruled out a government mind control experiment to see if they could get someone, anyone, to do what this guy did?

By the way, is there any evidence to support your theories as to why this guy did this? Not asking for conjecture but hard cold evidence? I would be quite interested to go over the details for my own edification. Thanks.

 

[holdover]

"Glenn B, post: 284921, member: 88"]So, in your conspiracy theorizing, have you already ruled out a government mind control experiment to see if they could get someone, anyone, to do what this guy did?

I don't know much about it. Im going off of the facts as we know them

By the way, is there any evidence to support your theories as to why this guy did this?

No. I have no idea why he would do this , nor do I have any theories or evidence as to why he would do this .


Not asking for conjecture but hard cold evidence? I would be quite interested to go over the details for my own edification. Thanks.

My conjecture is based on the evidence of the police as we know it. which is a rich man , who retired from the government and was a millionaire with a pilots license and two planes living within close proximity to the southern border , who could beat the casinos out of millions , decided to bring a more than a dozen weapons into a hotel room . and for no known reason and with no psychotic history decided kill 60 people without leaving any explanation for it.

Furthermore, casinos have long been known to law enforcement as a place criminals can launder money. His profile , from the facts above scream gun runner , they do not scream maniac. The fact that evidence was missing and never recovered , gag orders placed on witnesses would give any attorney a reason to question the story as told by the police.

My facts , are from what the police have said .How those facts are interpreted are up to you. You can believe that this man acted alone and for no reason brought 23 guns up to the room , decided to break the window with a hammer instead of shooting it out , brought multiple computers to his room , (one with out a hard drive)brought a box of drills , though he could only use one at a time., brought multiple phones to his room , had no history of mental illness was a millionaire parked a car full of tannerite out of sight of his window , instructed the hotel that nobody clean his room while the police know for certain that multiple entries were made into his room while his car was gone and took months planning this, and did it for no reason .

Or you could consider the possibility , that the man fits the perfect profile for an undercover gun runner , the fact that ATF and FBI have conducted operations like fast and furious and others for various reasons, that the FBI and the government has lied to the American people numerous times and question the legitimacy of what were told.

What I am proposing is a cover up of a gun running operation that went bad , the implications from public finding out that could be drastic and damaging.


One more thing is that the paper on the counter had ranging and ballistic information according to the police. why would someone who knew about guns and shooting place a high end scope on a rifle with a bumpstock to hit a target the size of a parking lot? And if he didn't know about about guns he wouldn't have known how to do proper calculations to begin with ?

I have to question this .

 

[Acer-m14]

why is the dope card on the counter and not on the rifle stock ?? .. why the computers ?? if my dope gets lost just open the phone ... remember there was a phone issue there too . LOL .. .. lots of apps for that ..
55gr .. oh shit . google XXX ok got the BC .. type type .. dope table all set on phone .. LMAO .. @holdover

 

[Cavalry]

"Glenn B, post: 284921, member: 88"]


My conjecture is based on the evidence of the police as we know it. which is a rich man , who retired from the government and was a millionaire with a pilots license and two planes living within close proximity to the southern border ,

I agree that this whole situation stinks, but you are drawing conclusions from facts that are not correct.
Yes, he had owned 2 planes but both have been sold and his pilots license suspended in 2013 for medical reasons. I have read nothing regarding him being DOD or "retired" from the government. He worked at the post office for a few years, the IRS for 6, as a auditor at a defense contractor for 1.5, and 3 years for a company that was bought by LM. There is no employment history known for the last 30 years. The narrative we are being told is during that time he made his money with investment properties flipping houses.

 

[holdover]

I haven't drawn any conclusions at all, I have presented questions , and I have suspicions.

I really don't know where your getting your information but he never worked for the post office and had been retired for years .Am I Sure you are very aware that people who retire from federal service often take another job in federal service or DOD and" double dip"" Im not saying that is proof, Im saying that it is very common for retired people in government to take another job in government of contractor work.

At various points of his life, Stephen Paddock worked for defense contractor Lockheed Martin and as an accountant and property manager.

Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock was a high-stakes gambler who 'kept to himself' before massacre

He had a pilots license, and had previously worked for global defense and aeronautics company Lockheed Martin in the 1980s.
Read more here: Who is Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock?


Lockheed Martin, the world’s largest defense contractor, said the retired Paddock was employed by a predecessor company about 30 years ago.

“Stephen Paddock worked for a predecessor company of Lockheed Martin from 1985 until 1988. We’re cooperating with authorities to answer questions they may have about Mr. Paddock and his time with the company,” Lockheed Martin said in a statement.

Lockheed Martin did not disclose which company employed Paddock. The Bethesda, Maryland-based defense contractor was created through the merger of Lockheed Corporation and Martin Marietta in 1995

Las Vegas shooter worked for predecessor of Lockheed Martin


I haven't provided proof of anything , I have proposed questions based on suspicions only. Those suspicions are founded from the facts of the case as we know them mainly from the police .The questions I ask are based on the facts , I cannot prove what was on the note , I can only question what Im told . the police stated there were ballistic calculations on the note. That is a fact they have told us . If what they told us is true, it means Paddock went through all that trouble to fire a bump fire stock with a scope at a crowd the size of the parking lot. We were told He had planned the shooting for months. Now My common sense tells me if he had planned this for months He would have known from target practice that ballistic calculations on an almost full auto weapon were fucking useless, If he had planned this in advance he would have known that using a scope on a bump fire rifle was equally as useless . He would have known that going full auto on a crowd would not require a scope or a ballistic calculations. This is the information we were given by the FBI. This explanation does not fit the facts that we know. After planning for this for months, Paddock places his car full of tannerite out of his known field of fire. There is no reasonable explanation for this considering the months of planning .

There are many things that are suspicious about the case. I don't have the answers, Im proposeing questions based on several articulable facts .

We also have the suppression of the hundreds of videos of Paddock in the hotel. The FBI would most likely keep those underwraps if there were the possibility of others involved . it would also keep those under wraps if Paddock was speaking with and agents during his stay also. Since the police have told us that he acted alone and no one else was involved , The suspicion that he may have spoke to an agent becomes stronger since the FBI doesn't believe anybody else helped him .

Paddock does not fit the profile of a mass shooter, he does not fit the profile of a maniac, He does not fit the profile of an insane person, He does 100% fit the profile of a gun runner , he does fit the profile of a government asset. this doesn't stand alone by itself , it is the totality of the information which makes me suspicious of the story . I don't believe the story were told is even close to being accurate.

 

[Defilade]

why is the dope card on the counter and not on the rifle stock ?? .. why the computers ?? if my dope gets lost just open the phone ... remember there was a phone issue there too . LOL .. .. lots of apps for that ..
55gr .. oh shit . google XXX ok got the BC .. type type .. dope table all set on phone .. LMAO .. @holdover

Come on now? you know you can't keep the Dope on a bump stock, it would mess up your dope!

 

[freddy]

Something happened in Vegas?

 

[holdover]

Yeah a while back ,somebody got shot or something.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Las Vegas shooting: FBI official says info on motive may take until next October to release

 

[ProgSpear]

“Now that’s a long time for some people, but speaking for the FBI, that’s light speed, all right?” Special Agent in Charge Aaron Rouse told the Las Vegas Review-Journal on Wednesday.

Does ANYONE else find that statement absolutely infuriating? All these pencil necked pud yanking twits need to be canned and real oath honoring Americans put in charge.

 

[STS556]

Las Vegas shooting: FBI official says info on motive may take until next October to release

Going by the past performances of the FBI and judges quoting Mother Jones in final decisions, does the FBI plan on using Theresa Caputo form Long Island Medium to interview Stephen Paddock to find the motive? Because I wouldn't put it past them right now.

 

[GUNSICK]

Back in the Janet Reno days they would of burned the whole casino down. Less paperwork.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Going by the past performances of the FBI and judges quoting Mother Jones in final decisions, does the FBI plan on using Theresa Caputo form Long Island Medium to interview Stephen Paddock to find the motive? Because I wouldn't put it past them right now.

might be rough I think she's having marriage problems

 

[Acer-m14]

If he had planned this in advance he would have known that using a scope on a bump fire rifle was equally as useless . He would have known that going full auto on a crowd would not require a scope or a ballistic calculations. This is the information we were given by the FBI. This explanation does not fit the facts that we know. After planning for this for months, Paddock places his car full of tannerite out of his known field of fire. There is no reasonable explanation for this considering the months of planning .

and he should have know what to put in the mags every 4 or 5 rnds ... you know red led lights ...

 

[freddy]

and he should have know what to put in the mags every 4 or 5 rnds ... you know red led lights ...

I believe he tried to buy a few cases of tracer, but was unable to do so in time. Ergo ballistic calculations.

 

[holdover]

Ballistic calculations? To shoot into a crowd? With a bumpfire stock? you have to be the only guy on this forum who would believe that.

 

[freddy]

Ballistic calculations? To shoot into a crowd? With a bumpfire stock?

If you have no tracer, and if you want every possible casualty it makes a certain amount of sense to calculate holdover. Why not calculate holdover (it is your username afterall)? If you disagree then perhaps you are not as thorough as the killer. Leave no stone unturned.

 

[holdover]

Ballistic formulas on an automatic rifle are 100 percent useless. Ballistic formulas for hitting a crowd as big as a parking lot are useless and un necessary. Having practiceed with the rifle like supposedly he did, he would have known this. Did you see the picture of the calculations? Neither did anybody else.

 

[freddy]

Ballistic formulas on an automatic rifle are 100 percent useless. Ballistic formulas for hitting a crowd as big as a parking lot are useless and un necessary. Having practice ed with the rifle like supposedly did he would have known this. Did you see the picture of the calculations? Neither did anybody else.

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[Acer-m14]

shoot deer with mosin .. he looks at me and then takes off WTH .. rack another round.. no time to read dope chart , spam can ammo .. pull up mosin , deer running away .. booom .. down he goes .. cause that's how i learned to shoot woodchucks .. on the run .. so its just natural to me

@holdover i did see the calcs photo .. i think they posted this at one time

LOL ...

 

[holdover]

Freddy, I think your the only guy on this forum to believe he used ballistic calculations . Were all shooters , You can bullshit the general public all day long , but your not selling that story to anyone who shoots or has been in the military .You cant tell me that Paddock would not have known this after going to the range. Your the only sucker on this forum who swallowed the hook. It takes time to figure out the nuances of shooting calculations , bullet weight ,bullet drop wind velocity ,distance, elevation .If he studied these things he would have known that using calculations then firing on full auto was as pointless as your post .

 

[holdover]

If you have no tracer, and if you want every possible casualty it makes a certain amount of sense to calculate holdover. Why not calculate holdover (it is your username afterall)? If you disagree then perhaps you are not as thorough as the killer. Leave no stone unturned.

Are you fucking for real? Have you ever fired an automatic weapon before? No, it makes no sense whatsoever, ask anybody on this forum . It will do you absolutely no good when firing on full auto and even less so firing a piece of shit bump stock. Thats common knowledge to 99% of the people who shoot . that's not my opinion , that's a fact. Your alone on this one man.

You also believe he brought a computer with out a hard drive to his room , since the police said it was missing , (and not lost) he could not have hidden it in his hotel room , so he must have brought a computer that didn't work to his room according to you and the police.

The guy planned out months in advance to bring a computer which couldn't work ? Is that what your telling me? He would have had to remove the hard drive before he took the computer into the room or the hardrive would have been in the room .

 

[Robin]

Report says he had an unusually high percentage of head shots. With a bump stock?!?!?!
Robin

 

[Darth]

Ballistic calculations? To shoot into a crowd? With a bumpfire stock? you have to be the only guy on this forum who would believe that.

Aye.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Maybe the calculations were for the vehicle with tannerite? And then he got up there and whoops can't shoot it. There were some "famous" people on stage. Maybe he wanted to assassinate one and didn't? It's hard to say what was going through his head. He my have been extremely irrational leading up to and through all of this. There are so many possibilities but some can only think conspiracy because their minds simply can't come up with other possibilities. Either that or they so badly want the narrative not to fit so there is someone else to blame. Or both. Let's be honest. In a years time or however long it takes to get the story out, these same people will say that is a conspiracy as well. And this thread will never die like the undead thread that it is.

 

[Robin]

.......or simply, it could be there is a lot more to it than meets the eye, and ear.
Robin

 

[ProgSpear]

Gunrunner is the simplest explanation, but what the hell, I'll play....

GRASSY KNOLL!!!!

 

[holdover]

Oh I stand corrected, There is another gullible guy who thinks an irrational man used ballistic calculations to shoot into a crowd.(shakes head)The only thing irrational is your explanation.

 

[holdover]

Maybe he thought he was shooting at ducks or balloons or deer ? WTF?