The Lib Actors will fight for the role of this poor, misguided man.
Active Shooter Mandalay Bay
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The Lib Actors will fight for the role of this poor, misguided man.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
We here a great deal of conflicting stories .. one was he was planning to leave and another said he blocked off all stairwells except for the elevator .. That means he was ready to die in that room .
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
But were the barricades placed from the inside, or the outside?
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Isn't that the case in any early investigations when not even the police have all the facts?
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Yet the FBI can declare this had no link to terrorism within a day of the shooting and our leaders have anti gun bills summited within 12 hours ...
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
They are trying to come up with a reason why he had more guns and tannerite in the car.Ie he planned to escape.
But in my opinion its much more likely he had friends that backed out . I cant see any other reason for so many weapons he could never use. 50 lbs of tannerite in the car, why not use it in the hallways to slow police? or rig the door , why leave it in the car with other weapons, he just forgot about it? Even the cops are now saying he probably had some help . and they know more than we do.
But in my opinion its much more likely he had friends that backed out . I cant see any other reason for so many weapons he could never use. 50 lbs of tannerite in the car, why not use it in the hallways to slow police? or rig the door , why leave it in the car with other weapons, he just forgot about it? Even the cops are now saying he probably had some help . and they know more than we do.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
That's correct, but I don't believe had one. The rate of fire seemed pretty slow to be a saw , I think the green beret got it wrong.
saw 100 round mag dump 8 seconds
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
I was always partial to the pig. Sounds better....
Too heavy though. Lol I got assigned one in PLDC. Horrible!
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Hence the name. Rambo had no problem carrying it. Toughen up! It really is a heavy beast.
They assigned me a female assistant gunner on purpose knowing I’d get stuck holding the tripod and extras. It was horrible. I’ll never forget that.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I humped that mother everywhere I went. Over the river, and through the woods. and that friggen tripod sometimes, She used to bark though!
First weapon I was assigned was an M60 then I became a crew chief and got 2 M60-D and an M10 revolver.
In particular, read the "over the transom" comment. Any comments from knowledgeable members on this analysis?
You Know, Like Every 64-Year-Old White Guy…
You Know, Like Every 64-Year-Old White Guy…
Jet fuel is not particularly flammable. It is nothing but highly refined kerosene plus additives. This much I know - USAF AFSC 43250.
Now high octane aviation gasoline is a whole different story.
I really liked my M60.
It gave me something to sit on in the swamps of Camp Edwards, Cape Cod.
Excellent Point.
But considering how "ACCURATE" the Media is, the tanks could contain Moose Piss.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yep. The extras are worse than the gun itself.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
I'm not seeing the "over the transom" comment.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
The media is saying that it was a well thought out plan, His hotel room was well thought out, he didn't get that room by some random chance, he knew a concert was being held on that date, he prepared himself for at least a little while, obtaining everything he needed, Now they are trying to tell us that he planned to escape because he had weapons and explosives in the car. Yet in all that planning he decided to use his credit cards with his name on it. , That dog don't hunt. he was up there shooting for 72 minutes, he had more than enough time to get out of there and blend in with the crowd.
This was a total suicide mission if there ever was one. Or he was wacked and set up . (no way to ever prove that )
This was a total suicide mission if there ever was one. Or he was wacked and set up . (no way to ever prove that )
From over the transom earlier today:
I told you they’d claim it was AR15s in Vegas. Look at the photos. Pure tripe — specifically going after Daniels Defense, after DD had the -nerve- to seek an advertising segment during half-time at the slobberbowl. Revenge as a secondary purpose, right there.
This OP has *every* hallmark of a FF/setup at this point – the “full monte” of lies and manipulation is on grotesque display.
And if you’ve been surfing at all, you’ll also notice that lots of veterans are saying that 1) there are definitely multiple shooters and multiple firing positions involved, and 2) that at least one of the guns was an M240/SAW. Both of which we concur with.
Here’s one other telling bit for you: if the lone shooter was on the 32nd floor, how were people safe behind a ~30 to 36 inch high wall less than 800 feet away? (estimated wall height from published photos, lateral distance of 780 feet via google-maps, see images)
Trigonometry doesn’t lie – if the shots were coming from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay (or the roof directly above the now-infamous Room 135), then the protected area behind such low cover as that wall provides would not have saved them. The protected area in ref to the 32nd floor (12 feet per floor X 32 floors is 384 feet height; lateral distance to the wall is about 780 feet from the MB hotel [at ground level – see annotated photo] to the base of the wall, so the hypotenuse angle is about 40 degrees at the low wall…. meaning that the protection would only have extended – at most – 42 or 44 inches out from the base of the wall. Not nearly enough of a safe space for roughly 35 feet of wall to have sheltered almost a hundred people from the entire attack, as stated by many witnesses, including several police officers who were ‘pinned down’ at that exact location throughout much of the shooting.
But if the gun shooting at them was on the 4th floor, or the apron-roof at 4th floor level [as shown by the taxi driver’s video], then this makes *perfect* sense, because the protected area would have
extended out from that wall almost 10 feet for a typical adult laying flat on the ground. (4th floor X 12 feet/floor = 48 feet height; lateral distance remains as ~780 feet, then the angle of fire would
only be on the order of 10~13 degrees downward) So, if a human laying flat is only 12″ high, then the protected area would have extended at least 8 feet, and possibly as far as 11 feet away from the wall (allowing for the multiple estimated factors). The area protected by the low wall would be almost as good if the main gun were much farther away, say 1500~1800 feet [i.e. on top of the Delano Hotel], even while 30+ floors in height, because the depression-angle of the gun from a more-distant rooftop [not a prepared firing position in a comfy suite] would have been excessive for the operator. This becomes relevant, below.
Further, the photos of the ‘shooters nest’ on the 32nd floor are all wrong – First, there should have been spent brass *everywhere* after such a fracas, but there’s almost none in the photos I’ve seen. I’d
love to see the final count on spent brass from the ‘Room 135’, because I believe it’s way too low to account for the carnage that was accomplished. I’ll bet its at least an order of magnitude low, compared to the following calculations:
We’ve got ~600 victims, right? Many were hit by multiple rounds. So lets say 750 hits as a *minimum*. Reality is probably closer to 900 hits, but that’s just another riff on the same theme, once you seehow to do the math.
Even in a packed venue like this, when firing full-auto the ratio of hits to rounds discharged would be low, most likely between 1:6 and 1:12 – especially once people started fleeing every which way. Let’s
say the “reasonable” range is between 1:5 and 1:12 hits-per-rounds-fired, just to be safe at the lower bound – Then 750 X 5 = 3750 minimum rounds fired. This is an extremely low bounding value; and 750 X 12 = 9000 probable rounds fired. Not the upper bound value, by any reasonable sense of events, but a very likely value.
So in total we *must* have at least 3,750 rounds fired, probably 9,000 rounds, and quite possibly more. So where in hell is all that spent brass? Not in Room 135, apparently.
I’ve been in situations where we [~ a dozen guys, ten M4s and two MGs] spent 10K rounds of ammo in well under 5 minutes. Ammo goes amazingly fast, when you’re engaging numerous targets at short to medium range! [And yes, 500 meters is ‘only’ medium range for any real machine gun] After such an event, the brass is so thick on the ground that its a real hazard to guys getting up from their fighting positions slipping and falling on the ‘rolling carpet’ of brass around them. I’ve shaken a dozen or more pieces of brass out of my shirt and webgear after such an engagement, and had no recollection of how it could possibly have gotten there. Brass goes *everywhere* wildly – it bounces and rolls around a lot.
So, either these photos of ‘Room 135’ are seriously sanitized, and therefore worthless, or there is another firing position (or multiple other firing positions) and again, these photos are the ‘horse and
pony’ show, just a distraction from the truth instead of an admission of it. Both assertions are very likely to be the case here – there’s the sanitized [or unused] ‘nest’ on the 32nd floor that they’re showing us, *plus* the other firing positions which we will never hear about, let alone see photos of.
Honestly, I don’t believe that they -had to- sanitize the room on the 32nd floor, because I don’t believe that many -if any- rounds came from there.
Just examining the site plan from above, the best firing positions are on top of the Delano hotel. That position has the clearest, most commanding view of the entire venue, by far. If I were going to dosuch a thing, that’s where I’d go to do it.
Second best positions are A) on the roof of the Mandalay Bay or B) a high window facing East in that building, as Room 135 has. The position on the 4th floor [or on the lower, apron-roof at about 3.5stories in height] of the Mandalay Bay would really only have been useful for engaging targets backstage, or in the VIP area of the venue, as the rest of the area is too obscured by ground clutter at that lower elevation. The lower position does, however, command the Boulevard via which the anticipated police and EMS response will come, and command it very well. Or, in other words, this could have gone much worse for the First-Responders.
The only viable alternative is the roof of the Excalibur, another block away, but that doesn’t match any of the witness reports or collected video of the event. The Luxor pyramid and the building just north of the pyramid aren’t suitable [look at the upper fascia – above the roofline – of the building north of the Luxor, the building with the Chris Angle/MindFreak sign on it] is unsuitable because there is no gap between the roof and the fascia from which to deploy a firing position; whereas on Mandalay Bay and the Delano the above-roof fascia has a substantial gap through which a fire-team could easily be deployed.
This can all be seen on google-maps using satellite view and 3D – look for the signature strip of light on the roof, right at the base of the fascia – that proves theres a gap — and it’s usually about 2 feet high. You can’t see that gap from the ground, but it’s almost always there. It makes for a perfectly hidden firing position. Guys who work from a highrise roof with any regularity will know exactly what I’m talking about.
Anyways, the above are a significant subset of the reasons why I’m certain we’re being feed a colossal line of BS here, and that this is indeed a false flag operation to enrage the Right, to bait us into a fight that will -regardless of who “wins” – finish off our nation in terms of ever recovering a legitimate government, or even just stopping the political and racial violence. It’s an end-game play by monsters who don’t count the cost, only their ‘victories’.
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meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Wow the media are so smart!
Who wouldn't think perhaps he was bored that afternoon and decided to do that on impulse.
What I want to know has Trump officially declared these Alt-left radical crowd a matter of national security and terrorist threat?
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
"The fact that he had the type of weaponry and amount of weaponry in that room, it was preplanned extensively," the sheriff said, "and I'm pretty sure he evaluated everything that he did and his actions, which is troublesome."
So he used his credit card ? The cops knew it.
The point was he wasn't trying to escape . that's total bullshit .
So he used his credit card ? The cops knew it.
The point was he wasn't trying to escape . that's total bullshit .
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I agree.
The dedication he demonstrated to prepare is not consistent with the lack of time and dedication invested in covering his tracks and escape.
This was the last thing he was going to do in his life and he knew it.
Something very troublesome we are going to find and it is not the medication.
valium doesn't make someone do that.
The 56+ were hit by bullets and the other 200-500+ people were injured by just the herd of people running for safety. Hearing stupid news stories about bullets going through others and hitting more people. Also saying no one seen him shooting because of the "flash hider" lol. Seen a lot of flash when at the range, it doesn't make it invisible. Just like silencers make them whisper quiet.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
EXCLUSIVE: The missing gun: Stephen Paddock bought a high-powered Ruger rifle just hours before arriving in Las Vegas, but the $600 weapon was NOT found among his 23-weapon arsenal of death
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4949534/Stephen-Paddock-bought-mystery-rifle-going-Vegas.html#ixzz4ugOp3RDd
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- Stephen Paddock bought a Ruger American .308 bolt-action rifle with an 18-inch barrel for $600 from Guns & Guitars just hours before arriving in Las Vegas
- The rifle was not part of the 23-weapon arsenal found in his sniper's nest in the Mandalay Bay Hotel
- Gunshop worker Skipper Speece revealed Paddock was 'calm and normal' when he bought the weapon at around 3pm on September 28
- Skipper said Paddock was a regular visitor to the store and he had served him four times in total
- Marilou Danley, who police named a person of interest in the case, also came in to the shop once, but Skipper said nothing seemed amiss
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4949534/Stephen-Paddock-bought-mystery-rifle-going-Vegas.html#ixzz4ugOp3RDd
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The ONLY thing that is certain, is that it's TRUMP'S FAULT.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Somewhere on this post somebody posted his food receipts from the hotel and his name was printed on it , that's a debit or credit card ,to be fair, I really cant say he actually paid for the room with a credit card, He bought food at the hotel with it which is still pretty damming if your supposed to be trying to get away .
An officer on CNN said he thinks he was trying to go to another location to do more damage, hence the CC didn't matter.
Its possible, but just how long was he going to wait ? I heard he was shooting for 72 minutes. 15 minutes would have been more than enough time to do some major damage and leave. If he planned to beat feet, he would have done so.
An officer on CNN said he thinks he was trying to go to another location to do more damage, hence the CC didn't matter.
Its possible, but just how long was he going to wait ? I heard he was shooting for 72 minutes. 15 minutes would have been more than enough time to do some major damage and leave. If he planned to beat feet, he would have done so.
They are saying the shooting lasted 9-11 minutes. The incident from start to finish was 72 minutes.