Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Be great if it got flagged for fraud and shutdown.
Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?
- Thread starter Beerman
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Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I’m sure this will be the case. What I’m wondering is if an FFL does 100 ammo background checks if the banks will get pissed if 100 $2.50 transfers go out. I’m wondering if it will cost the banks tons of time, money, and server space or something like that. I don’t know much how it works but there’s a reason laces say minimum credit card charge or whatever is $10.
Keyzard
.45 acp
Not that it matters, but as I recall from when I had my retail store, that is against the TOS of the CC processors.
The irony is that the same person that bought the gun that the criminal/Prohibited Person couldn't himself ALSO bought the ammunition... THEY KNOW it's a bullshit sham that'll do nothing but hamper the legitimate gun owners, the dumbest of which will think it's a great idea because it comes from Democrats that are "doing something"... yea, fucking us over.
The Fee will be collected by the State from the Dealer the moment they log on to enter information. (that's what they said in the on-line Training)
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
when does the RICO statue kick on the NYSP and the WITCH .. ??
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Bustedknees
.308 Win
Any guesses as to how many lawsuits are filed against this today?
We should have a definitive answer within the next decade either way.
We should have a definitive answer within the next decade either way.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
Waiting to see how this all works.
Will the state police simply be a true middle man calling in all the info to the feds?
Last I knew the feds won't allow it for ammo. So does this mean the Troopers will just do an arrest search before giving the good to go?
Will it be an instant check?
The cluster fuck reports should be a beauty today.
Will the state police simply be a true middle man calling in all the info to the feds?
Last I knew the feds won't allow it for ammo. So does this mean the Troopers will just do an arrest search before giving the good to go?
Will it be an instant check?
The cluster fuck reports should be a beauty today.
GTN
.308 Win
Firing Pin had a video of the system not wrong already
thisIslandEarth
.357 mag
Yep. The cluster-fuck has begun. The system is currently NOT WORKING. Our rights have been eliminated. You can see the Firing Pin video here:
Video from Firing Pin
Hochulsucks1234
.44 mag
I said I was not going to succumb to a background check for ammo and I am going to stick to it. But I think during my lunch break I will call Bass Pro and Runnings and ask if they have been able to sell ammo. I am curious if this system is going to work (I have doubts it will).
MilsurpGuy47
.177 BB
I’m torn between sticking to my principles when it comes to refusing to use this new system, but at the same time, not wanting local stores to lose business because of it.
Hochulsucks1234
.44 mag
I won't for ammo. I am gonna wait things out and see what happens in a few months. I still plan to purchase long guns/pistols, well maybe.
maverick52
.223 Rem
Even if this system works well it’s still a problem due the data mining. They actually stated the data mining last year. And I have only purchased one case of ammo in that time. Purchase out of state. Do not give them what they want.
S&W Fan
.475 A&M Magnum
Welcome to communist ny
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
Would the purchase of a pallet of ammo count as a single purchase?
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
Sounds like everything is going according to plan.
Well, "their" plan anyways.
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Well, "their" plan anyways.
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2WheelGnnr
6.5 Creedmoor
There is already a good system in place by the Feds..I dont see why NY thinks they can do it better...I bet they do...but its also to make more hoops to go through more time and more steps....just want to get us to say screw it and not buy firearms and ammo......and Oh yeah..system down today..I cant sell any ammo.......is that how it is now that its crashed aready....no one can Sell ammo...its all a farce to make it hard to excersize our God given right......and they want to not only stumblie it up but to have record of everyone that has excersized that right to try to get em later...........by the way..has anyone heard...is Leo exempt from this ....this....garbage...
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
There is no LEO exemption spelled out in the ammunition BGC portion of this legislation as of today.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I’m not talking about you as the purchaser but the ffl. The $2.50 fee per check has been talked about and an account is to be set up. What I’m wondering is if the banks can even process these checks. How many gun and ammo checks will be done daily? Thousands would be my guess and at busy points it could be 100’s of thousands.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I’m shocked.
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
"You seem to be acting suspiciously. I'll need to search the vehicle."
Happens all the time.
Hochulsucks1234
.44 mag
Sure does. Happened to me once many years ago. I still told them I wanted to see a warrant. They ended up letting me go. May not happen all the time, maybe they do end up breaking your balls enough to instill fear and give in.
Even if they did get a warrant.....what did ya do wrong? Its ammo, its not illegal to transport.
Slacker43
.40 S&W
Always make the fuckers work for it. I will never be the "I've got nothing to hide" guy. Fuck that. Know your rights and make them earn your tax dollars. Un-exercised rights quickly become privilege's. Just like this law, buy ammo and hold their feet to the fire. I'm planning on buying 22lr one box at a time to jam up their shit for worthless transactions. It is a cheap fuck you in my opinion. I will feel better about that than donating the $$$ to the NRA to fight this for us 10 years from now.
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
Here’s some interesting info direct from the statute:
SECTION 400.03
Sellers of ammunition
Penal (PEN) CHAPTER 40, PART 4, TITLE W, ARTICLE 400
§ 400.03 Sellers of ammunition.
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5. If the statewide license and record database notifies the licensee
or seller that the information available to the database does not
demonstrate that the receipt of ammunition by such other person would
violate 18 U.S.C. 922(g) or state law, and the licensee transfers
ammunition to such other person, the licensee shall indicate to the
database that such transaction has been completed at which point a
record of such transaction shall be created which shall be accessible by
the division of state police and maintained for no longer than one year
from point of purchase, which shall not be incorporated into the
database established pursuant to section 400.02 of this article or the
registry established pursuant to subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00
of this article. The division of state police may share such information
with a local law enforcement agency. Evidence of the purchase of
ammunition is not sufficient to establish probable cause to believe that
the purchaser has committed a crime absent other information tending to
prove the commission of a crime. Records assembled or accessed pursuant
to this section shall not be subject to disclosure pursuant to article
six of the public officers law. This requirement of this section shall
not apply (i) if a background check cannot be completed because the
system is not operational as determined by the superintendent of state
police, or where it cannot be accessed by the practitioner due to a
temporary technological or electrical failure, as set forth in
regulation, or (ii) a dealer or seller has been granted a waiver from
conducting such background check if the superintendent of state police
determines that such dealer is incapable of such check due to
technological limitations that are not reasonably within the control of
the dealer, or other exceptional circumstances demonstrated by the
dealer, pursuant to a process established in regulation, and at the
discretion of such superintendent.”
This would appear that the registry info is not retainable after one year, and the info contained in it (ie. who purchased what and how much) is not sufficient grounds to initiate any type of criminal investigation. Further, this section looks to me like if the system is down then the ammo BGC is suspended. But the “superintendent of state police” has to decide that the system is down. Very interesting.
SECTION 400.03
Sellers of ammunition
Penal (PEN) CHAPTER 40, PART 4, TITLE W, ARTICLE 400
§ 400.03 Sellers of ammunition.
…
5. If the statewide license and record database notifies the licensee
or seller that the information available to the database does not
demonstrate that the receipt of ammunition by such other person would
violate 18 U.S.C. 922(g) or state law, and the licensee transfers
ammunition to such other person, the licensee shall indicate to the
database that such transaction has been completed at which point a
record of such transaction shall be created which shall be accessible by
the division of state police and maintained for no longer than one year
from point of purchase, which shall not be incorporated into the
database established pursuant to section 400.02 of this article or the
registry established pursuant to subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00
of this article. The division of state police may share such information
with a local law enforcement agency. Evidence of the purchase of
ammunition is not sufficient to establish probable cause to believe that
the purchaser has committed a crime absent other information tending to
prove the commission of a crime. Records assembled or accessed pursuant
to this section shall not be subject to disclosure pursuant to article
six of the public officers law. This requirement of this section shall
not apply (i) if a background check cannot be completed because the
system is not operational as determined by the superintendent of state
police, or where it cannot be accessed by the practitioner due to a
temporary technological or electrical failure, as set forth in
regulation, or (ii) a dealer or seller has been granted a waiver from
conducting such background check if the superintendent of state police
determines that such dealer is incapable of such check due to
technological limitations that are not reasonably within the control of
the dealer, or other exceptional circumstances demonstrated by the
dealer, pursuant to a process established in regulation, and at the
discretion of such superintendent.”
This would appear that the registry info is not retainable after one year, and the info contained in it (ie. who purchased what and how much) is not sufficient grounds to initiate any type of criminal investigation. Further, this section looks to me like if the system is down then the ammo BGC is suspended. But the “superintendent of state police” has to decide that the system is down. Very interesting.
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
Currently we have a NICS that went to Research. I can find no info on the NY site. I called NICS and confirmed still "Research" status. He thought there should be a way to check on the NY site, LOL. I did ask if the NY system goes down if the NICS checks an be picked back up by feds, he did not know.
I suppose I will have to call.
I suppose I will have to call.