Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
If it’s down, supposedly the BGCs are no longer required until the system is verified as operational again.
Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?
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2WheelGnnr
6.5 Creedmoor
I do not consent to searches thank you.......
thisIslandEarth
.357 mag
Loophole in new NY ammo background check system identified.
Under the LooneyToons act of 1968 any person entering a firearms store who identifies as a FUDD may purchase ammunition in NY without a background check provided they meet 3 of the following criteria. It should be pointed out to FFL's that just because the said purchaser is muttering "It's wabbit season!!" is not sufficient cause to dismiss a background check. 3 of the criteria must include:
a derby hat, small squinty eyes, big reddish nose, a high collar around his neck, a green long sleeve shirt, green pants, and a bald circle-like human head.
The NYSP has provided the following images to assist the proper identification:
Under the LooneyToons act of 1968 any person entering a firearms store who identifies as a FUDD may purchase ammunition in NY without a background check provided they meet 3 of the following criteria. It should be pointed out to FFL's that just because the said purchaser is muttering "It's wabbit season!!" is not sufficient cause to dismiss a background check. 3 of the criteria must include:
a derby hat, small squinty eyes, big reddish nose, a high collar around his neck, a green long sleeve shirt, green pants, and a bald circle-like human head.
The NYSP has provided the following images to assist the proper identification:
thisIslandEarth
.357 mag
I should also mention NYSP have established the FUDD Hot Line at 1-800-WTF-FUCK for addition information. Phone hours are from 4:55pm - 4:46pm. There is a $10 fee.
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
That guy has huge eyes, a hat on (can’t tell if he’s bald) a peanut-shaped head, and he’s dressed in brown. Must be an ENCON officer.
maverick52
.223 Rem
It's a shitshow already. Let the games begin!
Russ Woody
.357 mag
Yup, and I'll bet they could give a shit less if it ever worksSounds like everything is going according to plan.
Well, "their" plan anyways.
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The NYS Purple Tie Squad tried that shit with me years back at the entrance to the Peace Bridge at a "motorcycle safety checkpoint". Wanted me to consent to them searching my saddle bags. I asked him for his search warrant, and what crime was I suspected of committing. He gave me the old "If you don't have anything to hide BS". It was a stare down, until he sent me on my way after a while, saddlebags unsearched.
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
Not for a gun.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
They ask about a search because most people say yes. Don’t be most people and say no sir I don’t not consent to a search of anything. Sorry can we assume sir?
thisIslandEarth
.357 mag
Just a video I recorded for you guys of me AFTER I took the FORCED 16 hour NYS Pistol Permit Training class:
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Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
Correct. What I posted was specifically from the ammunition BGC portion. As has been mentioned, it is of dubious contention whether or not it is true.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
I got a call from my son today. I've been after him to start buying ammo when he sees it. So today was apparently the day he chose to start buying! He told he registered with GunBroker and was ready to buy 300 rounds of 9mm for something like $150. I then let him know about Target Sports and a few others and the going case prices and free shipping. Then I told him to go back to GB and search out ammo for his 270wsm. I let him know that wouldn't be cheap,, but buy it anyways. Then lastly, I told him about what happened on the morning of 9-13-23. He's ordering this Friday and we'll see how things work out.
garyv350
.357 mag
Ouch. 9mm here is $250.00 for 1000 rounds.
Hochulsucks1234
.44 mag
Gun Shop Owner Talks About New Gun, Ammunition Regulations in New York
There's another gun regulation for owners and gun shops to navigate. And this time, the state threw ammunition into the mix.
"Guns can't be sold in the same area as ammunition. They have to be separate. So, are they separate locations? Are they separate buildings? Are they separate storefronts? And this is putting a very big overload on the mom-and-pop gun owners and gun businesses," Assistant Oneida County Pistol Licensing Officer Dan Sullivan, said
Is this something else they snuck in these new laws? Sullivan is usually on top of things.
TonyRossi
9mm
I’m a licensed FFL dealer and I have both my FFL and NYS dealers license. I ran an ammo background check on myself tonight (7:54 pm) to see how the system works. I am currently delayed . How is that even possible ? Is this a joke ? Think about that ..I can literally order cases of ammo from my distributors and have them shipped directly to my business but I get delayed to buy one box of 9mm ammo !?
This is disgusting
This is disgusting
PA Guns & Ammo
.45 acp
None of that shit here in Pennsylvania. I'm waiting for the asshole fudds to cry wolf. Then I can tell them that no one needs a box of 20 rounds of ammo to kill a deer.
Yea, I'm going to call bullshit on that one, as I'm quite sure that finding no check done when one was required during an ATF Audit (and I HAVE seen them go back at least five years) would get you a choice of surrendering your FFL or being charged and taken to Court.
Listen, I have and have had for decades a C&R, a UPIN, CCW from NY, FL, and PA, a "Trusted Persons" (Retired DoD ID) and a half dozen other Licenses and I'm "delayed" every fucking time I have a NICS Check done... always come back Proceed, but who the hell knows with the dick-wads in Albany controlling everything.
Re-reading it, you are partially correct in that the Ammunition Checks are waived, but still I wonder what measures the Dealer has to take in recording the transaction?
This requirement of this section shall
not apply (i) if a background check cannot be completed because the
system is not operational as determined by the superintendent of state
police, or where it cannot be accessed by the practitioner due to a
temporary technological or electrical failure, as set forth in
regulation, or (ii) a dealer or seller has been granted a waiver from
conducting such background check if the superintendent of state police
determines that such dealer is incapable of such check due to
technological limitations that are not reasonably within the control of
the dealer, or other exceptional circumstances demonstrated by the
dealer, pursuant to a process established in regulation, and at the
discretion of such superintendent.”
ManualF150
.308 Win
Thanks for posting this. I don't use FB, and this is helpful.Can't share directly, but here's a screenshot from the Firing Pin's FB page on filing a complaint with NYS Troopers.
The Firing Pin, LLC | Bergen NY
The Firing Pin, LLC, Bergen. 29,934 likes · 659 talking about this · 7,097 were here. Western NY's finest public indoor range, retail firearm, and classroom training center.www.facebook.com
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My plan is to electronically fill it in, and then print off 1000 copies of it. Put it in a box, and mail it.
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Vinson57
.475 A&M Magnum
Mr Criminal now has to send someone to buy ammo. He send his squeeze to go to the store to get some 9mm but she is nit so smart and comes back with some 10mm as she got confused. Then they get screwed on no refunds on ammo.
However they get even more screwed when address used for the ammo is also in the parolee felon database where there should be no guns.
Then cross reference to pistol permits, no 9mm at that address.
I expect some action out of the system.
However they get even more screwed when address used for the ammo is also in the parolee felon database where there should be no guns.
Then cross reference to pistol permits, no 9mm at that address.
I expect some action out of the system.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
The first good lawsuit should be from people that passed a BGC for a gun yesterday (or as recently as possible), but get denied by the new BGC for ammo today. What would the states response to that be?
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
NYS Firearms Association Federal Lawsuit Filed Today!
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
just standing there while the FFL is on the phone or computer is a Right Delayed ..
Every argument made against the new ammo BGC can and should be used to fight gun BGCs.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I think FFLs will start just selling ammo background checks be damned. That's my prediction.
tc556guy
.40 S&W
Not sure how they'll get away with that if they're doing the other ammo sale paperwork that's been required for the last year
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
They will just get it shipped in from another state with the drugs or separately. Most won’t bother with having someone buy them ammo. The criminal next door will but gang members won’t.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Not a chance. Remember the state holds their license and the state can revoke it. I’m sure that the state handles the pistol licensing for NYS and you need to have NYS approval to sell pistols, same with ammo. If they fail to do background checks they will no longer be able to sell guns and ammo in NYS.