Been there done that. Gosh is it so refreshing to see that.
The Fed.
Except it isn't. They are submitting it to the Feds themselves.
I’m not surprised. I knew this would happen with all this crap. It’s a lot of work to be denied. I’m not saying I support it but I can understand it.
When a transaction is denied, which is very infrequent, the FFL has already spent a lot of time trying to sell the item. Is their time worth anything and would you work for nothing? A delay is another story as you just have to wait for a definitive answer. I've personally seen, not someone telling me, people that have tried to see if they could pass the background check knowing full well that they will get denied. In my estimation that is just not good behavior.
With this logic the FFL should be charging fees to show guns to potential buyers. What if someone comes in to browse, but ends up not purchasing anything? Then the FFL "worked for free".
That's kind of my point. An FFL spends more time on the computer running background checks than mingling with their customers whether they buy or not thus hurting customer relations. There are customers who come right out and tell you they may have a problem with the NYNICS check but want to run it to find out.
The state background check is not as easy as the federal check was. The check has all the information for that specific firearm unlike the federal check. When a denied check occurs it doesn't end there. The ATF will follow up and want a copy of the 4473 and ask you what you did with that specific firearm. Is it worth it for the FFL?
So they're using the electronic Forms? I didn't think they played nice with the State System?
Running a Check without a Transfer intended (test) is prohibited, additionally the type IS required (Handgun, Long Gun, Other/Frame/receiver)
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Same here, I mentioned it a couple pages ago. Shitty times indeed.
Man that sucks and sorry to hear that. I noticed a few places that have just opened up recently and I was like what the heck are they doing. One place just expanded and opened up Niagara gun range. Wollcotts just dumped a bunch of money into their place. The firing pin is rebuilding. I’d have taken the insurance money and left if I was him.
You're absolutely right, - it does suck. Big time. They spent a lifetime building their home and properties there in NY, with plans to enjoy their final years there in comfort, and to leave their properties to their family members. And now? Can't afford to keep them empty for family to inherit with no income coming in, so they are all being sold, and they will move away from family. How shitty is that???
Yea, for a short term answer. Look at elections that show red states going purple and some already to blue. Virginia as an example. We, as gun owners, tend to put our faith in the court system that has done little for us. Look at the news, Palestinian sympathizers taking to the streets daily and have already got senile Joe to change his stance on the war over there. Until we do the same, our future looks pretty bleak.
I don't think any of us here on NYG disagrees with your basic point. Hell, we are fighting it all we can. In many cases, - and mine included, it simply became too economically untenable to stay there any longer, and thus the move, - to the Carolinas in my case. Obviously, there were other reasons too, but at the heart of it, if you cannot afford to live there any longer, you get out. And as many have found, - the grass is truly much greener outside New Yorkistan in the real America.
As I was saying, I agree that the grass is greener outside of NY, for now. I'm in a gun shop almost daily and hear a lot of bitching. When asked if they sent a simple email or called their representatives the answer is no 99% of the time. Do you vote? No sense in that is the biggest answer I hear. I hear what you are saying though as my thought was if we didn't beat them in the last election that the odds are we never will. That was a winnable election but far too many gun people threw in the towel before it even happened. This state is not economically feasible for a lot of people and I respect that as a reason to leave but as I said, how long before the grass turns brown in all these other states? Our lifetime, our kids lifetime or our grandkids lifetime? Look at Texas, many from California are fleeing there and bringing their politics with them. How long do they stay red?
To paraphrase the experiences of far too many mariners, "you can only bail water from a doomed ship for so long before it will go underwater." And that's when you have to either abandon ship, or get sucked under with it.
Who is the "They"?
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Worked didn't it?
