I've tried hahaha. But then again most don't like my threads or see them, oh well what can you do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Armed bounty hunters enter home in Buffalo with police and no warrant
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I've tried hahaha. But then again most don't like my threads or see them, oh well what can you do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Agreed.
I would always like to talk about guns. Nothing too much to talk about. Can't find ammo, no one is doing much shooting. Guns stores are empty...
Kind of depressing...
Kind of depressing...
I'm trying to get stuff to post in that thread lmao but everything I want/need is sold out
Sjot show was canceled and so not many people are seeing the new releases, and the stuff that is coming out 2021 is meh
Here you go, posted this a while ago. Really cool look at Estonia's new service rifle made by LMT.. well worth a watch on the video to hear some of the cool things being incorporated in the rifles
Lewis Tool & Machine new Estonia contract rifle..
And the first stupid cool thing that they incorporated is a new grip from them, has a shot counter. But not a just a shot counter, counts dry fires, full auto, semi auto, counts trigger use, even keeps track of barrel temp and recoil impulse (if I heard everything correctly)
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Lmao never mind I see YOU were the only one interested
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Many people dont want to post about what they own or want to buy either.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Nailed it Celt!
Robin
Robin
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Its a shame, what is a gun forum where people dont want to talk about guns? It used to be a place to "show off" your gun or accessories, etc. But in this hardcore antigun state, and the current federal climate most people dont want to make it any easier agents of the gov to identify what we may or may not own.
It does suck that nothing can be found as well. I have a bunch of extra cash that I would love to spend on gun stuff, just having a hell of a time finding what I want.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
What you want?!?!?!?!?!? I got what you need GOP!
Jager Gewehr .62 Cal.
Robin
Jager Gewehr .62 Cal.
Robin
Nice, but not for me.
CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 Pistol - CZ-USA
Discontinued 2023. A semi-auto pistol version of the famous Scorpion EVO 3 A1, this Scorpion is awesome on the range and makes a great home defense firearm.
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This one is next as soon as my dealer gets one in....
repete
.338 Win Mag
Spoken like a real true libtard!
But isn't that exactly what you have been doing?
repete
.338 Win Mag
we only have your word on that, until you show proof your just another internet Rambo.
Very informative
The powers of bounty hunters are immense. When arresting a skip, bounty hunters need not read them their Miranda rights. They do not need a warrant to search the residence of a skip, even a hotel room. Nor are they required to announce themselves before entering private property, as police officers must. Evidence obtained illegally by bounty hunters can be submitted in court. Like police officers, bounty hunters are authorized to use “all reasonable force” to apprehend skips. This means they can shoot to kill if shot at. Also, they can transport skips across state lines without enduring extradition proceedings. (Bounty hunter cliché: Extradition proceedings take place in the trunk of a car.)
Bounty hunters derive their powers from the 1872 Supreme Court case Taylor vs. Taintor. In the eyes of the law, a defendant voluntarily places himself in the custody of the bail-bondsman and, by extension, the bounty hunter, when he signs the bail contract. The court decided that bondsmen and bounty hunters are proxies for the state, and therefore deserve police powers when taking “custody” of the accused. However, the usual constitutional protections enjoyed by suspects don’t apply to skips pursued by bounty hunters because, the court decided, the bounty hunters work for the bondsmen, not the government.
Bounty hunters’ privileges are a vestige of British common law. Since the Middle Ages, courts have appointed custodians for defendants awaiting trial. Usually, the custodian was the defendant’s friend. In the 13th century, courts commonly required custodians to serve defendants’ punishments in their stead when their wards skipped, even if this meant standing in for a hanging.
Bounty hunters are more efficient at returning criminals than police are. The National Association of Bail Enforcement Agents says that 88 percent of all bail jumpers are returned to authorities by bounty hunters. Law enforcement officers return 10 percent of skips, but catch most of them at routine traffic stops and at border crossings. Only 2 percent of skips remain at large. Criminal justice experts credit bounty hunters’ success rates to two things: They face less red tape than do police and, unlike police, bounty hunters have an economic incentive to get their men.
Last year, U.S. News & World Report proclaimed bounty hunting one of the hottest job tracks in its “Best Jobs for the Future” issue. No persuasive evidence substantiates this claim. According to the NABEA, there are only 200 to 300 full-time bounty hunters in the United States, and they earn an average income of about $36,000. More than 1,700 people bounty hunt part time. Most of them are former or off-duty cops or private investigators.
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The powers of bounty hunters are immense. When arresting a skip, bounty hunters need not read them their Miranda rights. They do not need a warrant to search the residence of a skip, even a hotel room. Nor are they required to announce themselves before entering private property, as police officers must. Evidence obtained illegally by bounty hunters can be submitted in court. Like police officers, bounty hunters are authorized to use “all reasonable force” to apprehend skips. This means they can shoot to kill if shot at. Also, they can transport skips across state lines without enduring extradition proceedings. (Bounty hunter cliché: Extradition proceedings take place in the trunk of a car.)
Bounty hunters derive their powers from the 1872 Supreme Court case Taylor vs. Taintor. In the eyes of the law, a defendant voluntarily places himself in the custody of the bail-bondsman and, by extension, the bounty hunter, when he signs the bail contract. The court decided that bondsmen and bounty hunters are proxies for the state, and therefore deserve police powers when taking “custody” of the accused. However, the usual constitutional protections enjoyed by suspects don’t apply to skips pursued by bounty hunters because, the court decided, the bounty hunters work for the bondsmen, not the government.
Bounty hunters’ privileges are a vestige of British common law. Since the Middle Ages, courts have appointed custodians for defendants awaiting trial. Usually, the custodian was the defendant’s friend. In the 13th century, courts commonly required custodians to serve defendants’ punishments in their stead when their wards skipped, even if this meant standing in for a hanging.
Bounty hunters are more efficient at returning criminals than police are. The National Association of Bail Enforcement Agents says that 88 percent of all bail jumpers are returned to authorities by bounty hunters. Law enforcement officers return 10 percent of skips, but catch most of them at routine traffic stops and at border crossings. Only 2 percent of skips remain at large. Criminal justice experts credit bounty hunters’ success rates to two things: They face less red tape than do police and, unlike police, bounty hunters have an economic incentive to get their men.
Last year, U.S. News & World Report proclaimed bounty hunting one of the hottest job tracks in its “Best Jobs for the Future” issue. No persuasive evidence substantiates this claim. According to the NABEA, there are only 200 to 300 full-time bounty hunters in the United States, and they earn an average income of about $36,000. More than 1,700 people bounty hunt part time. Most of them are former or off-duty cops or private investigators.
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yea let me upload my personal information and certifications. Lol GTFO!
If we accept that then we cannot accept "ignorance of the law is not an excuse."
Pick one lie and stick with it.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
When I get settled in AZ I think i might file the paperwork and try building a suppressor from scratch.
It'll be a while before I can get that started, but should be interesting.
While this may be interesting reading, it does not, anywhere in it, say they can bust into any house that they wish. This includes the home of a brother of the Bonded subject.
They had absolutely nothing legally to do what they did. They even entered a different apartment. A different family, one that had nothing at all to do with the bond jumper. This story is far from over.
It is being investigated right now, as we speak(type). Those two BH's, are here in the Buffalo area for a little while.
I have posted some of the law, some here have chosen not to read, understand or comprehend what I have posted.
You are the one that offered to compare bank accounts on here...
repete
.338 Win Mag
From reading your post's I think you are more then making up for the lost drinking time!
spat
.700 Nitro Express
And yet none of that affects the rights or gives them any "powers" over anyone who *isn't* the specific fugitive they are after. Like this poor homeowner who is only guilty of having a familial relationship with a criminal.
just cracked open my first sir!
repete
.338 Win Mag
Actually I was just at Sportsmen's Warehouse and was surprised by how many guns they had! On closer inspection the new guns are multiple versions of the same model but they did have a LOT of used handguns. BTW the only ammo I saw was .17 something.
They didn't magically happen upon the home randomly. Not sure why you are assuming the guy didn't live there and list such in court and other documents. Lots of accusations and blaming here with nothing to back it up. If you're going to charge you must prove your charges. Go ahead please. otherwise we shall assume all is proper. Thats how it works.
Doooo it
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I've made a couple two tree of those. If you need any pointers let me know.
ETA: I would get everything you need to make a dry storage tube right now. We don't know where everything is headed so you may not be able to get that stuff in the future. Get all of your dry storage tube stuff now!
Celt
.338 Win Mag
We can bypass the fact that you're not answering my question about why you keep assuming these people are scumbag criminals and they deserve the treatment they got from the righteous bounty hunters.
The infobyou posted doesnt say much different than we all gathered today in this thread. BH can enter the place of residence without a warrant to take possession of a skip. In this case, the skip has his residence as some place in Pa, so this was not his residence (which is why Im assuming these tough guys banged on the door demanding entry rather than just kicking the door down). They are not required to identify themselves, which is begging for some 00buck to the face.
If the skip listed this address as a second address(thats just an assumption to give the BH the benefit of the doubt) then they would have been there legally. If the home owner was armed and had no idea LE was outside and killed these guys when they kicked his door in he could be protected under article 35 since the BHs dont have to identify themselves, are not wearing uniforms, and would be assumed to be home invaders. So, even if they were there legally, the home owner would have justification to defend himself and his family.
Point being, perhaps its time that some new "rules" were put in place to avoid shitty situations like this.
Btw, the guy who skipped was in teouble for relatively minor issues? We arent talking about murder, child molestation or rape here....
"As fugitives go, Luke Reinhardt wasn't likely to make a most-wanted list. He had his bond revoked for failure to appear in court in Lebanon, Pa., where he was charged with misdemeanors for simple assault, retail theft and driving while operating privileges were suspended or revoked, according to the lawsuit. He had already indicated to the bounty hunters that he planned to turn himself in, but only after keeping a doctor's appointment in Buffalo in coming days."
Well it does however say they may even enter (forcefully) into hotel rooms which are also not peoples homes so it appears there is more to this than you or I know. I'm sure there was some knowledge, information, or observation that supported their lawful entry. May be not but that will need to be proven. Innocent until proven guilty.
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