Armed bounty hunters enter home in Buffalo with police and no warrant

[Edwardteach72]

Whoa. You guys still arguing over this? Just wait until at least @GOPerfect comes back and tells the actual story. Then we will see what actually happens when the cases are over and done with. Of course the person who is dead wrong and has been told so by someone with actual inside information will still argue the contrary. Don't waste your time people.

Why wait for him Mr on the job as a security guard has all the connections, hell he knows everything, there was one thread where someone's sister was an actual real police officer and he even knew what ammo her department uses, this guy is legit man..

No need to wait for Go to come back which I don't think he will (don't blame him) we got the fucking man in here schooling us all on law and bounty hunters (aka people a rung above rent a cops)

 

[Edwardteach72]

Wow look another instance of bounty hunters misrepresenting who they are

Bounty hunters, fugitive killed in gunfight at car dealership | CNN

Cell phone video captures the moment shots rang out inside busy Texas showroom.

www.cnn.com

They are the real heroes

 

[Saltwater60]

Wow look another instance of bounty hunters misrepresenting who they are

Bounty hunters, fugitive killed in gunfight at car dealership | CNN

Cell phone video captures the moment shots rang out inside busy Texas showroom.

www.cnn.com

They are the real heroes

Plenty of them all over the web. A quick search will tell you this is not isolated.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Plenty of them all over the web. A quick search will tell you this is not isolated.

Nope, it's funny when you see people who couldn't be cops but want to soo bad, they seem to all have the same mind set, and will end up doing whatever they can to be as close to the job they could never actually do

 

[spat]

Nope, it's funny when you see people who couldn't be cops but want to soo bad, they seem to all have the same mind set, and will end up doing whatever they can to be as close to the job they could never actually do

They don't really want to be cops and uphold the law and serve the community.

They just want to be bullies and assault people and get away with it.

Which is why good departments try to weed them out during the hiring process. It's unfortunate that they aren't more successful doing that.

 

[Edwardteach72]

They don't really want to be cops and uphold the law and serve the community.

They just want to be bullies and assault people and get away with it.

Which is why good departments try to weed them out during the hiring process. It's unfortunate that they aren't more successful doing that.

Hence why I worded it

people who couldn't be cops but want to soo bad,

Because they want the power and that's all. Even if that is a rented power

 

[Chevusa]

Again you fail to realize they broke into his mothers house first. Was the criminal there maybe but maybe not. Maybe they just did this to ever relative they could find for a buck? Maybe they are assholes and maybe the mom and brother are criminals. Either way the BH broke the law by entering the home by force and entering the tenants house under any circumstance. BH go to jail.

Also if you watch this video the guy with the shot gun tries the front door twice. That’s illegal since he needs permission to enter.

Redirect Notice

We don't know what if any laws were broke because we don't have the facts of the situation - al of the facts, and we don't throughly know or understand the related laws. All we have is a few quick google searches. This does not make us legal experts or give us the necessary understanding of the situation in whole. I'll relax and let it play out. If you guys want to get all excited and spike your blood pressure thats up to you.

 

[spat]

We don't know what if any laws were broke because we don't have the facts of the situation - al of the facts, and we don't throughly know or understand the related laws. All we have is a few quick google searches. This does not make us legal experts or give us the necessary understanding of the situation in whole. I'll relax and let it play out. If you guys want to get all excited and spike your blood pressure thats up to you.

But you're sure they were all good right ?

 

[Chevusa]

But you're sure they were all good right ?

Yep. Absent evidence. Innocent until proven ... well never mind. If you don’t know I can’t teach you.

 

[drowhawk]

Yep. Absent evidence. Innocent until proven ... well never mind. If you don’t know I can’t teach you.

Too bad that same, basic standard of guilt isn't applied to the citizens those BH'ers violated.

 

[Chevusa]

Too bad that same, basic standard of guilt isn't applied to the citizens those BH'ers violated.

Are they being charged with a crime? I must have missed that part.

 

[Celt]

Are they being charged with a crime? I must have missed that part.

No, but you made the assumption they were harboring a fugitive, and were criminals in previous posts.

 

[Robin]

You mean these?

St. Louis couple who brandished guns had right to defend property: attorney

Lawyer for the couple says they acted legally under Missouri's Castle Doctrine.

www.foxnews.com

St. Louis prosecutor Gardner loses second appeal to try Missouri couple who defended home with guns

Gardner will be required to take her case to the Missouri Supreme Court if she wants to continue pursuing the case as a prosecutor.

justthenews.com

Robin

 

[Edwardteach72]

No, but you made the assumption they were harboring a fugitive, and were criminals in previous posts.

I believe even using the word scumbag?? Haven't gone back through the whole thing to verify

 

[Chevusa]

No, but you made the assumption they were harboring a fugitive, and were criminals in previous posts.

Again, these recovery agents didn't drive to that specific house for no reason. It's unreasonable to think they did. Let the facts play out and we will either see it was the criminals residence or it wasn't. We do not have those facts right now, but I don't think they just decided to take a road trip to Buffalo for no reason. The most obvious simplest answer is usually the right one. Not sure why some want to go as far out of their way as possible to take the stance that it's impossible that the criminal was living there. Seems pretty reasonable to believe that because he was on the run from his crimes in PA he thought he could stay with his family in NY to escape justice.

 

[Justincase]

The answer to one simple question can end this argument.
Did the wannabe marshalls find the perp there?

No?

Then they WERE wrong, and DID search the house illegally for no reason.

End of discussion unless you just blindly slob the knobs of anyone who carries a gun to make money.

 

[spat]

Yep. Absent evidence. Innocent until proven ... well never mind. If you don’t know I can’t teach you.

That applies to the citizens when dealing with the government.

When people are claiming to act as agents of the government the opposite applies.

When it's denizens of an internet discussion board, it's whatever standard of evidence they want to apply.

 

[spat]

Again, these recovery agents didn't drive to that specific house for no reason. It's unreasonable to think they did. Let the facts play out and we will either see it was the criminals residence or it wasn't. We do not have those facts right now, but I don't think they just decided to take a road trip to Buffalo for no reason. The most obvious simplest answer is usually the right one. Not sure why some want to go as far out of their way as possible to take the stance that it's impossible that the criminal was living there. Seems pretty reasonable to believe that because he was on the run from his crimes in PA he thought he could stay with his family in NY to escape justice.

We are all willing to acknowledge that they had a reason for the search. Why are you not willing to acknowledge that it wasn’t a sufficient reason to justify their actions ?

They didn't pick the address at random, but they aren't just allowed to kick down the door of every acquaintance this guy ever had either.

However, it *is* impossible for the fugitive to have been living in *all* the places they searched.

So, even if he *did* live at one of them, their search of the others was unreasonable.

 

[spat]

Are they being charged with a crime? I must have missed that part.

You were adamant that they would have been had they attempted to defend themselves from this home invasion.

 

[Chevusa]

We are all willing to acknowledge that they had a reason for the search. Why are you not willing to acknowledge that it wasn’t a sufficient reason to justify their actions ?

They didn't pick the address at random, but they aren't just allowed to kick down the door of every acquaintance this guy ever had either.

However, it *is* impossible for the fugitive to have been living in *all* the places they searched.

So, even if he *did* live at one of them, their search of the others was unreasonable.

So they can only look for a criminal in exactly 1 place. Ok. Good thing you aren't in charge. Nobody would ever be caught.

 

[spat]

So they can only look for a criminal in exactly 1 place. Ok. Good thing you aren't in charge. Nobody would ever be caught.

That's how it works, yes.

They aren't allowed to go fishing until they find the guy.

 

[Robin]

Actually, they illegally invaded two houses.
Robin

 

[Chevusa]

That's how it works, yes.

They aren't allowed to go fishing until they find the guy.

You have no idea what they are allowed to do. A few days ago you had zero knowledge of these things and since then your education on the matter consists of a 5 minute google search. Hardly qualified to speak on the matter or make bold statements that are based on your feelings only and not facts or law.

Let it play out. Nothing you do will affect it. Breathe. Stay calm.

 

[Robin]

He projects a lot Spat.
Robin

 

[Deplorable Me]

Sooooo....

If bounty hunters illegally invade a house.......

Does one have to pass a background check before splitting up the gear?

Just asking for a friend.

 

[spat]

You have no idea what they are allowed to do. A few days ago you had zero knowledge of these things and since then your education on the matter consists of a 5 minute google search. Hardly qualified to speak on the matter or make bold statements that are based on your feelings only and not facts or law.

Let it play out. Nothing you do will affect it. Breathe. Stay calm.

You are the one who is seriously mistaken about how the law works. My knowledge is based on a lot more than a 5 minute google search. What's yours based on ?

How much do they cover the rules of evidence in a security guard course ? Do you guys have some delusions of grandeur that you'll be tracking the kids who spray painted the back wall across the state or something ?

These guys can knock on as many doors as they like, and can ask to come in. If they do not take "no" for an answer they are committing a crime.

Even actual police seeking a warrant can't just get a blanket for everywhere the guy might be. Those would be called "writs of assistance" and are expressly forbidden in the constitution.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Probable cause....
describing the (singular) place to be searched...

 

[Chevusa]

You are the one who is seriously mistaken about how the law works. My knowledge is based on a lot more than a 5 minute google search. What's yours based on ?

How much do they cover the rules of evidence in a security guard course ? Do you guys have some delusions of grandeur that you'll be tracking the kids who spray painted the back wall across the state or something ?

These guys can knock on as many doors as they like, and can ask to come in. If they do not take "no" for an answer they are committing a crime.

Even actual police seeking a warrant can't just get a blanket for everywhere the guy might be. Those would be called "writs of assistance" and are expressly forbidden in the constitution.



Probable cause....
describing the (singular) place to be searched...

Not sure what your security guard comments mean or how they pertain to me. You have no idea what I do. You'd probably shit yourself if you did.

Oh and the 4A doesn't apply as has already been explained countless times by several members here. They do not work for the state and are not governed by the same rules as the police. I posted a lengthy explanation from slate.com outlining their extraordinary powers. They act as a proxy of the state allowing them to operate at a very high level, yet are not bound by the same rules as police are. Not sure how you missed this very descriptive post or maybe you just blocked it out because those facts don't agree with your feelings.

 

[spat]

Not sure what your security guard comments mean or how they pertain to me. You have no idea what I do. You'd probably shit yourself if you did.

Oh and the 4A doesn't apply as has already been explained countless times by several members here. They do not work for the state and are not governed by the same rules as the police. I posted a lengthy explanation from slate.com outlining their extraordinary powers. They act as a proxy of the state allowing them to operate at a very high level, yet are not bound by the same rules as police are. Not sure how you missed this very descriptive post or maybe you just blocked it out because those facts don't agree with your feelings.

So, you think being a bounty hunter means you can just kick in any door you want, anywhere, anytime, with impunity ?

I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.

 

[Chevusa]

So, you think being a bounty hunter means you can just kick in any door you want, anywhere, anytime, with impunity ?

I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.

Nope. Again you are letting your emotions take control and are resorting to extreme fake examples and scenarios.

 

[spat]

Nope. Again you are letting your emotions take control and are resorting to extreme fake examples and scenarios.

So, what's the line ?

You claim they don't even need probable cause for a search.

Reasonable suspicion ?

A hunch ?

"It's OK your honor, my trick knee told me the fugitive was in there, and it's never wrong" ?

What does the law look like in your world ?