Biden signs covid unemployment order .......

[drowhawk]

I am amazed how many avatars I see advocating that forced vaccination by an employer is OK. These are some of the same avatars that were up in arms about Trump & conservative censorship on social media. Sorry guys, can't have it both ways. Either you have constitutional rights or you don't. There's no "magical private property zone" that exempts companies from honoring your rights.

 

[holdover]

Rage all you like. The law is not on your side. You aren’t a slave, you can quit if you don’t like your employers policy.

The law makes you a slave. quit? how about the business close down? Thats easy right? Jobs dont grow on trees ,and if you happen to work in Law enforcement where are you going to find another job? You expect people to just start flipping burgers?

How about mind your own business? Employers don't own the workers. Somebody is going to tell me what I need to do with my body or throw me on the streets? How about if the employer wants all the women to shave their heads or they lose their jobs?

 

[drowhawk]

If your fundamental issue with any or all of the covid-19 vaccines is that they will alter your "genetic structure", meaning DNA, and that is stopping you from getting it or even supporting the vaccines, then I suggest that you do a web search for "vaccine alter" "DNA". There are several articles that debunk the myth/lie that the vaccines change a person's DNA. This link will get you started. YW

Questions and Answers About COVID-19 Vaccines - Vaccinate Your Family

Find answers to your questions about COVID-19 and the vaccines that can help prevent it.

vaccinateyourfamily.org

If you find credible, scientific evidence that the vaccine(s) alter human DNA, please share it.

Oh yeah, and remember the mantra to "follow the science" .

Every thing we do throughout a daily basis causes mutations in our genome. You are drinking some heavy establishment punch if you think an mRNA vaccine is just completely inert to the human genome.

 

[drowhawk]

The law makes you a slave. quit? how about the business close down? Thats easy right? Jobs dont grow on trees ,and if you happen to work in Law enforcement where are you going to find another job? You expect people to just start flipping burgers?

How about mind your own business? Employers don't own the workers. Somebody is going to tell me what I need to do with my body or throw me on the streets? How about if the employer wants all the women to shave their heads or they lose their jobs?

That's exactly the point I've been trying to make. Where's the line? Forced mutilation? Sodomy? At what point does an employer violate an employee's rights? Or is that just not possible?

 

[drowhawk]

When your choice to not get a shot has the potential to shut an entire workplace down because of covid, it’s absolutely ok for the business to require the shot to work. You always have the right to work elsewhere. As with all personal choices, the consequences are yours to bear.

It's almost like there's a virus going around with a 99.95% survival rate... We should all freak out and force people to take a rushed vaccine.

 

[Defilade]

There's about 100 videos where you can watch the press conference, in context, where he made the comment.

Meanwhile we put chlorine in our water supply to kill bacteria and other germs.. Likely concept.

 

[holdover]

How about if you own a gun , you cant work here? Just find another job.

 

[holdover]

The United States Constitution does not contain any specific provisions regarding the rights one has with respect to their physical body or the specific extent to which the state can act upon bodies.[13] However, the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld right to privacy, which, as articulated by Julie Lane, often protects rights to bodily integrity. In Griswold v. Connecticut (1965) the Court supported women's rights to obtain birth control (and thus, retain reproductive autonomy) without marital consent. Similarly, a woman's right to privacy in obtaining abortions was protected by Roe v. Wade (1973). In McFall v. Shimp (1978), a Pennsylvania court ruled that a person cannot be forced to donate bone marrow, even if such a donation would save another person's life.

Conversely, the Supreme Court has also protected the right of governmental entities to infringe upon bodily integrity. Examples include laws prohibiting the use of drugs, laws prohibiting euthanasia, laws requiring the use of seatbelts and helmets, strip searches of prisoners, and forced blood tests.[14]

The principle of bodily integrity sums up the right of each human being, including children, to autonomy and self-determination over their own body. It considers an unconsented physical intrusion as a human rights violation.

 

[Modean]

And what knuckleheads are you referring to? Those who would rather not get a shot which had little vetting and questionable effectiveness or those who blindly follow the heard?

How about those who believe it’s ok to put others at risk for infection? You have every right to not be vaccinated. You have no right to expose others because of your choice.

 

[drowhawk]

How about those who believe it’s ok to put others at risk for infection? You have every right to not be vaccinated. You have no right to expose others because of your choice.

Human beings (along with every other mammal) are their own ecosystems. There are billions of different organisms that survive off of the human body and the human body needs most of these organisms to survive. Sometimes the body picks up pathogens. You're telling me we should all live in ziploc bags? Because that's the only way to guarantee we won't go around "exposing others."

 

[holdover]

How about those who believe it’s ok to put others at risk for infection? You have every right to not be vaccinated. You have no right to expose others because of your choice.

Bullshit. Your at risk of infection constantly from every disease known to man from the day you were born.

 

[holdover]

Human beings (along with every other mammal) are their own ecosystems. There are billions of different organisms that survive off of the human body and the human body needs most of these organisms to survive. Sometimes the body picks up pathogens. You're telling me we should all live in ziploc bags? Because that's the only way to guarantee we won't go around "exposing others."

Yes, that's exactly what he's saying,

 

[holdover]

What in the actual fuck is this?

A total of 1.4 million people died from TB in 2019 Worldwide, TB is one of the top 10 causes of death and the leading cause from a single infectious agent (above HIV/AIDS). In 2019, an estimated 10 million people fell ill with tuberculosis(TB) worldwide.Oct 14, 2020

In 2019, an estimated 10 million people fell ill with tuberculosis(TB) worldwide. 5.6 million men, 3.2 million women and 1.2 million children. TB is present in all countries and age groups.

TB is spread from person to person through the air. When people with lung TB cough, sneeze or spit, they propel the TB germs into the air. A person needs to inhale only a few of these germs to become infected.

World health Org.

Tuberculosis (who.int)

You got to be fucking kidding me! Take your mask and wipe your ass with it . Give your kids 2-3 vaccinations , and leave me alone.

Your worried you may get sick, then you wear a mask, you social distance, you wash your hands constantly, you take the vaccine, You stay at home. Never mind about making the world comply to your tyrannical personal fears.

If your so afraid of living your life, then stay home and dont bother anyone with your fear.

 

[repete]

Meanwhile we put chlorine in our water supply to kill bacteria and other germs.. Likely concept.

and many filter it out before drinking, why would they do that ?

 

[Chevusa]

I sense something. A presence I have not felt since….the Train Marine.

I forgot about him lol.

 

[Jmac00]

lets back up here.

first, when you are hired by a company, you agree the work within that companies rules, regulations an by-laws. The business owner, or board of directors, can change those rules and regulations when they feel it necessary to protect the company FIRST, and the employees and staff SECOND. if you disagree with those rules changes, then you, as the employee have two options. ONE, accept and abide by the new rules, or TWO, you are free to leave and find a new job that suites your needs.

what the employer should NOT have to do, is to continue support your decision to leave, by having to continue to pay unemployment insurance on your behalf. this just puts more of a burden on the employer.

its as simple as that. you can get all philosophical, but it simply boils down to what you agreed to when the company hired you

 

[spat]

Okay, so you don't support an employees right to chose to get the vaccine or not? And you don't support them going on UI if they refuse? Good to know you support companies telling employees what chemicals they must ingest into their bodies.

So, you support forcing an employer to pay an employee who will not work ?

 

[holdover]

From where is the authority derived to tell anyone what they should do with their bodies? Then penalize them for not complying?

I own me . Not any business or corporation. When your rules infringe on my freedoms your wrong. when companys decide they want to hire whites only then there should be no problem right?

 

[holdover]

what the employer should NOT have to do, is to continue support your decision to leave, by having to continue to pay unemployment insurance on your behalf. this just puts more of a burden on the employer.

If the employee is forced to leave by the employer's bullshit rules of tyranny then that's exactly what should be done. Matter of fact they should pay them severance pay on top.

 

[pjzwtl]

How about those who believe it’s ok to put others at risk for infection? You have every right to not be vaccinated. You have no right to expose others because of your choice.

How about man up and leave the melodrama to the politician’s and msm. Your position is based on emotion.Im not against vaccines in gen, I personally keep my vaccinations up to date, recently had my hep b booster. I’m exposed to shit all the time at work I know the vetting and track record of those vaccines. The Covid vaccine is an unknown, it isn’t really proven to be globally effective or safe. This was rushed through with the bare minimum if you want it fine I don’t knock anyone for getting it, besides if you believe it works and most at your employer get it why worry about the few that didn’t?

 

[holdover]

So, you support forcing an employer to pay an employee who will not work ?

Will not work? or forced to leave ? two different things

 

[spat]

You're being dense on purpose. The problem already exists. Doesn't really matter who "created" it at this point. The fact is now people who don't wish to be forcefully vaccinated, can go on UI while they look for other work. I support this.

I had a job that required vaccinations that weren't common for the general public as a condition of employment. I certainly had a choice, I could have found another job anytime I wanted.

Can I use your rationale to tell my employer "No, I won't wear that covid mask, my body my choice ?"

 

[spat]

Will not work? or forced to leave ? two different things

If you require the vaccine to work, and it is available but you refuse to take it, then you refuse to work.

Just like a guy hired at a fast food joint who says "I'll cook the food, but I won't wear the clown suit".

The job is wearing the clown suit. Don't like it, find another.

 

[spat]

SO when your wife is told to get an abortion or she cant work its OK?


How about nobody dictating how to live your life?

She would find another job.

That's how it works.

 

[spat]

But it IS a choice between getting the shot and not having a job. That IS the reality.


Boy, the 3D mental chess is strong today.

No, it is a choice between getting a shot or not having *that* job.

Find another one.

 

[holdover]

If you require the vaccine to work, and it is available but you refuse to take it, then you refuse to work.


No. I dont require the vaccine. I dont refuse to work. I refuse to get a vaccine .

Just like a guy hired at a fast food joint who says "I'll cook the food, but I won't wear the clown suit".

Absolutely not!

 

[spat]

So an employee should be forced to do whatever the employer wants, including (but not limited to), inserting whatever substance the employer wants inside of the employee's body? And it's OK because the employee can just "find another job?" Just like all those Keystone pipeline welders can just "find another job."

Yep.

 

[spat]

You don't require it.

The job requires it.

The employer decides what the job entails, if they say "vaccine required" then it's required.

Just like my current employer demands I disarm myself before entering company property.

They sign the paycheck so they make the rules. I can either accept that or find another employer.

 

[holdover]

Yep.

Corporate tyranny. fuck that.

 

[spat]

What's next GOPerfect? Employers requiring employees to use a butt plug whenever not using the restroom because it reduces occurrences of soiled underwear? Would that be a violation of an employee's constitutional rights or does a private company have a right to sodomize its employees?

They have the right.

They're going to have to pay a lot of money to find employees though.

That's how a free market works.