CIA-Backed Medical Experiments on Danish Orphans

[GOPerfect]

None of these stories surprise me any more.

I would bet a guess that each and every government ever to exist were and are guilty of crap similar to this.

Go back to the beginning of man coming together and evil has been there.

No surprise at all.

 

[Mosinitis]

Here is a simple reality of world politics, you are either the big kid on the block, or the one who has to deal with the big kid. Id prefer America to be the big kid rather than any other socialist/communist nation.

You cant fight human nature, and a utopia is not possible. When the world was smaller and you had small villages a communal system of life was possible/manageable, but not on the scale things are today.

Im not saying our govt is honest, trustworthy, etc.. we all know they have and will continue to do fucked up things that we dont agree with, but the IDEALS this country was founded on are better than any other country in the world if you value individual liberty.

Sadly, the whole world is spiraling down the drain and heading towards a totalitarian one world govt.... unless enough people say ENOUGH and do something about it.

Your ideal is to be world's bully and never be held accountable, because you believe your country is a jewel and other countries are shit. Understood.

 

[Mosinitis]

I am waiting for an example of Soviet medical experiments on orphans. All governments are guilty of terrible things, but lines not to be crossed differ.

 

[prambo]

None of these stories surprise me any more.

I would bet a guess that each and every government ever to exist were and are guilty of crap similar to this.

Go back to the beginning of man coming together and evil has been there.

No surprise at all.

^^^^^^
Truth.

"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn

 

[GOPerfect]

I am waiting for an example of Soviet medical experiments on orphans. All governments are guilty of terrible things, but lines not to be crossed differ.

I am too lazy to look it up, but the Russians did some pretty nasty Nuke testing on all residents, to include children, in a few of their smaller towns.

May not be the same as this; but I stand by my all government throughout history have done some pretty nasty things to their own people.

 

[Mosinitis]

I am too lazy to look it up, but the Russians did some pretty nasty Nuke testing on all residents, to include children, in a few of their smaller towns.

May not be the same as this; but I stand by my all government throughout history have done some pretty nasty things to their own people.

They didn't test it on people to see what happens. They underestiamated the effects and scope of the exposure as was the case during nuclear tests in this country. Apples and oranges.

US nuclear tests killed far more civilians than we knew

When the US entered the nuclear age, it did so recklessly. New research suggests that the hidden cost of developing nuclear weapons were far larger than previous estimates, with radioactive fallout responsible for 340,000 to 690,000 American deaths from 1951 to 1973.

qz.com

 

[Celt]

Your ideal is to be world's bully and never be held accountable, because you believe your country is a jewel and other countries are shit. Understood.

Not to be a bully, but not to be bullied. The reality is that someone will be the big kid, and if its not us then who? Who do you think should be the #1 superpower? What other countries "pronciples" should we be living by.

Im not saying we need to interfere with other countries, but there are plenty who invite our help and are our allies. He with the most strategic allies calls the shots. Our country is far from perfect, but its far better than any other out there I can think of.

 

[Celt]

I am waiting for an example of Soviet medical experiments on orphans. All governments are guilty of terrible things, but lines not to be crossed differ.

Experiments on orphans is disgusting! I hope those fuckers rot in hell. Same with the pedophiles that work/ed for the cia that was covered up.

Any crime against innocent people, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN, is the worst kind. All governments have hurt children and that sucks.

 

[holdover]

At least Soviet Union had ideals. Misguided or unachievable but they had them. The West has none.

Come on man, you sound like Krushiv's nephew. Western civilization has brought many great things. And it has a few bad points too, but overall Its been a benefit to mankind . Thats not to say it hasnt been corrupted , It has . and if we lived by the ideals of the constitution and our forefathers we would never have been involved foreign entanglements.

People have fucked things up , the ideas didnt . They are still sound principles. Its the assholes we have to stop from getting into power.

 

[fresch]

People are people no matter what country.
People are azzholes no matter what country.
The country most free?

 

[Mosinitis]

Not to be a bully, but not to be bullied. The reality is that someone will be the big kid, and if its not us then who? Who do you think should be the #1 superpower? What other countries "pronciples" should we be living by.

Im not saying we need to interfere with other countries, but there are plenty who invite our help and are our allies. He with the most strategic allies calls the shots. Our country is far from perfect, but its far better than any other out there I can think of.

Who is or was bullying Switzerland for the past 150 years? There are other countries who mind their own business and nobody bothers them. Your argument is a spin based on paranoia and immaturity. There is no evidence to back it up. We are well protected by geography alone. Others not so much.
Domestically we divide people into two camps and pit them against each other and we do the same thing Internationally by invitation or without one.
Your belief that our country is superior to others and therefore should rule the world historically resulted in demise. Good luck convincing the world.

 

[Mosinitis]

Come on man, you sound like Krushiv's nephew. Western civilization has brought many great things. And it has a few bad points too, but overall Its been a benefit to mankind . Thats not to say it hasnt been corrupted , It has . and if we lived by the ideals of the constitution and our forefathers we would never have been involved foreign entanglements.

People have fucked things up , the ideas didnt . They are still sound principles. Its the assholes we have to stop from getting into power.

I don't consider Western belief in supremacy a great thing. Our self-glorification is raised to the point of schizophrenia, where we no longer capable of seeing our arrogance. Western civilization brought many great things, but that's well in the past. Gender confusion and pedophilia is our future.

 

[Celt]

Who is or was bullying Switzerland for the past 150 years? There are other countries who mind their own business and nobody bothers them. Your argument is a spin based on paranoia and immaturity. There is no evidence to back it up. We are well protected by geography alone. Others not so much.
Domestically we divide people into two camps and pit them against each other and we do the same thing Internationally by invitation or without one.
Your belief that our country is superior to others and therefore should rule the world historically resulted in demise. Good luck convincing the world.

Other countries that jave no chance to be a world power or are strategically not reqlly needed are different. If we used our geographic location alone, and didnt deal withvthe reat of the world then somepne like China or Russia would step up to be THE major power and they would have a great say in what happens around the world and we would be at their mercy. Countries dont exist in a vacuum, and someone will ALWAYS eant the power to be in charge, its human nature whether you like it or not.

 

[Mosinitis]

People are people no matter what country.
People are azzholes no matter what country.
The country most free?

I doubt we even make top 10.

 

[meketrefe]

I love to experiment with Danish.
My favorite one has a killer apricot and cheese filling.

 

[holdover]

I love to experiment with Danish.
My favorite one has a killer apricot and cheese filling.

See how your Western mind separated the Apricot from the cheese?

 

[meketrefe]

See how your Western mind separated the Apricot from the cheese?

It is easy, cheese is just symbolic. (small quantity)

Did you know by the year 2050 men will be Syn_Bolics and women Syn_Tetics?

 

[holdover]

It is easy, cheese is just symbolic. (small quantity)

Did you know by the year 2050 men will be Syn_Bolics and women Syn_Tetics?

Of course its symbolic. The small quantity of cheese( the bourgeoisie) loses all its rights, while the apricots (the proletariats ) are held in high esteem, because they are better than the common cheese

 

[holdover]

It is easy, cheese is just symbolic. (small quantity)

Did you know by the year 2050 men will be Syn_Bolics and women Syn_Tetics?

Women have vaginas and breasts, that about the extent of my knowledge on women

Its like staring at a river for a minute and looking back , its a completely different river than it was a minute ago. they have baffled science for centuries.

 

[Blimey]

Per article these were tried on people sentenced to death and used against the enemies, not unsuspecting inocent orphans.

“The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.” ― Fyodor Dostoevsky​

 

[Blimey]

At least Soviet Union had ideals. Misguided or unachievable but they had them. The West has none.

I hate to bring in Godwin's law, but Hitler also had ideals.

 

[Mosinitis]

I hate to bring in Godwin's law, but Hitler also had ideals.

Correct, but Hitler's ideals are rejected by every government on earth. Soviet stance against Colonialism, Imperialism and their stance for racial equality isn't. Soviets were the catalyst and the rest of the world followed. We are pathetically trying to catch up by using reverse racism. Two wrongs don't make it right.

To answer the claim made by Spat:

KGB for its entire existence hunted down Nazi war criminals and brought them to justice.
CIA employed them and in many cases helped them to hide their past.

 

[tirwin1]

From Hitler to Stalin: The secret story how German scientists helped built the Soviet A-bomb

www-rbth-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Mosinitis]

OK, Soviets used two German scientists. Where they guilty of war crimes?

U.S. intelligence involvement with German and Japanese war criminals after World War II - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[spat]

Correct, but Hitler's ideals are rejected by every government on earth. Soviet stance against Colonialism, Imperialism and their stance for racial equality isn't. Soviets were the catalyst and the rest of the world followed. We are pathetically trying to catch up by using reverse racism. Two wrongs don't make it right.

To answer the claim made by Spat:

KGB for its entire existence hunted down Nazi war criminals and brought them to justice.
CIA employed them and in many cases helped them to hide their past.

LOL

The Soviets were after the German Scientists just as hard as we were for the same reasons.

There is 0% chance Wernher VonBraun or anyone like him would have been tried for anything if the Soviets got him instead of us.

 

[Blimey]

Correct, but Hitler's ideals are rejected by every government on earth. Soviet stance against Colonialism, Imperialism and their stance for racial equality isn't. Soviets were the catalyst and the rest of the world followed. We are pathetically trying to catch up by using reverse racism. Two wrongs don't make it right.

To answer the claim made by Spat:

KGB for its entire existence hunted down Nazi war criminals and brought them to justice.
CIA employed them and in many cases helped them to hide their past.

Soviet hatred of nazi fascism is beyond reproach, but they were still nasty bastards to their people.

 

[96coal449]

OK, Soviets used two German scientists. Where they guilty of war crimes?

U.S. intelligence involvement with German and Japanese war criminals after World War II - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yes.

No country was innocent. Some nastier than others.

 

[spat]

Soviet hatred of nazi fascism is beyond reproach, but they were still nasty bastards to their people.

Communists hate Facists like Sunni's hate Shia's.

It's not because they are fundamentally different. It's because they are the same, but don't share the same leadership hierarchy.

 

[tirwin1]

And where did Hitler get the idea for concentration camps? From Stalin's Soviet union of course.

 

[96coal449]

And where did Hitler get the idea for concentration camps? From Stalin's Soviet union of course.

It may have not been his idea, but one he accepted while consuming his crystal meth.