Conspiracy

[holdover]

Yeah, there is no way anybody might not know all of the gun laws of the state they are in...

Why does the document exist I guess would be my question. If I were planning a massive cover up, I wouldn't invent a document and put incorrect information on it to make people question the narrative.

She had multiple handguns Chief, She had to get a permit herself, Lets give her the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't a moron Ok?

You may, when inventing a false narrative for the woman . There is no such thing as a perfect crime, people are not perfect, people can overlook things it happens even to criminals

 

[holdover]

I’m a gun nut and didn’t know much about a cz 83

if your son wanted 400 bucks for one, how long would it take you to figure it out?

 

[Darth]

She had multiple handguns Chief, She had to get a permit herself, Lets give her the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't a moron Ok?

You may, when inventing a false narrative for the woman . There is no such thing as a perfect crime, people are not perfect, people can overlook things it happens even to criminals

What is the false narrative they are trying to push with this document?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Last question... do you miss your sanity?

Not until you do your homework, eat your supper, and take a bath.

 

[holdover]

That she was an irresponsible gun nut. just like they said she was a massive doomsday pepper , and she had nothing in her house demonstrating that fact. She had no books , no DVDs , No food no water no canned goods no camping gear.

 

[ECU Pirates]

if your son wanted 400 bucks for one, how long would it take you to figure it out?

I don’t have rich person conn. Money. Apples to oranges.

 

[Darth]

Can you link to some of these sources making these claims? Because I did a reverse google image search on that check and I wasn't particularly impressed.

 

[holdover]

First one I used was


The mother wanted to buy the shooter a CZ 83 pistol for Christmas and had prepared a check for that purchase to give the shooter


http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf

page 28 . listed as exhibit 612 on the warrant report

Warrant inventory report 612

Image

 

[freddy]

You can add law enforcement officers and other officials to that list who have looked into it as fucking crazy as well. But wait. It's a YouTube video so it's made up. Not that you'd watch the video anyway. Just eat up what CBS tells you. That's real news.

Conspiracy theorist spreads fake info about Sandy Hook shooting

Wolfgang Halbig ?

 

[freddy]

Mass shooting begins
Shortly after 9:35 a.m., using his mother's Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle,[5][30][31] Lanza shot his way through a glass panel next to the locked front entrance doors of the school.[32][33][34] He was wearing black clothing, yellow earplugs, sunglasses,[35] an olive green utility vest, and was carrying magazines for the rifle.[36] Initial reports which had stated that he had been wearing body armor were incorrect.[37] Some of those present heard the initial shots on the school intercom system, which was being used for morning announcements.[16]

Principal Dawn Hochsprung and school psychologist Mary Sherlach were meeting with other faculty members when they heard, but did not recognize, gunshots. Hochsprung, Sherlach, and lead teacher Natalie Hammond went into the hall to determine the source of the sounds and encountered Lanza. A faculty member who was at the meeting said that the three women called out "Shooter! Stay put!" which alerted their colleagues to the danger and saved their lives.[38] An aide heard gunshots. A teacher hiding in the math lab heard school janitor Rick Thorne yell, "Put the gun down!" (Thorne survived.)[39] Lanza killed both Hochsprung and Sherlach.[40] Hammond was hit first in the leg, and then sustained another gunshot wound. She lay still in the hallway and then, not hearing any more noise, crawled back to the conference room and pressed her body against the door to keep it closed.[41] She was later treated at Danbury Hospital.[40][42]

A nine-year-old boy stated that he heard the shooter say: "Put your hands up!" and someone else say "Don't shoot!" He also heard many people yelling and many gunshots over the intercom while he, his classmates, and his teacher took refuge in a closet in the gymnasium.[43] Diane Day, a school therapist who had been at the faculty meeting with Hochsprung, heard screaming followed by more gunshots. A second teacher, who was a substitute kindergarten teacher, was wounded in the attack. While she was closing a door further down the hallway, she was hit in the foot with a bullet that ricocheted. Lanza never entered her classroom.[8][44][45]

After killing Hochsprung and Sherlach, Lanza entered the main office but apparently did not see the people hiding there, and returned to the hallway.[34] School nurse Sarah (Sally) Cox,[46][47] 60, hid under a desk in her office. She later described seeing the door opening and Lanza's boots and legs facing her desk from approximately 20 feet (6.1 m) away. He remained standing for a few seconds before turning around and leaving. She and the school secretary Barbara Halstead called 9-1-1 and hid in a first-aid supply closet for as long as four hours.[48] Janitor Rick Thorne ran through hallways, alerting classrooms.[49]

 

[freddy]

Classroom shootings

Floorplan of Sandy Hook Elementary; Classrooms 8 (Rousseau/D'Avino), 10 (Soto/Murphy) and 12 (Roig) are labeled along with the main office (o) and Conference Room 9 (Hochsprung/Sherlach/Hammond)


Lanza then entered a first-grade classroom where Lauren Rousseau, a substitute teacher, had herded her first grade students to the back of the room, and was trying to hide them in a bathroom, when Lanza forced his way into the classroom.[44] Rousseau, Rachel D'Avino (a behavioral therapist who had been employed for a week at the school to work with a special needs student), and fifteen students in Rousseau's class were all killed. Fourteen of the children were dead at the scene; one injured child was taken to a hospital for treatment, but was later declared dead.[41] Most of the teachers and students were found crowded together in the bathroom.[50] A six-year-old girl, the sole survivor, was found by police in the classroom following the shooting.[41] The surviving girl was hidden in one of the corners of the classroom's bathroom during the shooting.[51] The girl's family pastor said that she survived the mass shooting by remaining still, and playing dead. When she reached her mother, she said, "Mommy, I'm okay, but all my friends are dead." The child described the shooter as "a very angry man."[52][53] A girl hiding in a bathroom with two teachers told police that she heard a boy in the classroom screaming, "Help me! I don't want to be here!" to which Lanza responded, "Well, you're here," followed by more hammering sounds.[54]

Lanza next went to another first-grade classroom nearby; at this point, there are conflicting reports about the order of events. According to some reports, the classroom's teacher, Victoria Leigh Soto, had concealed some of the students in a closet or bathroom, and some of the other students were hiding under desks.[44] Soto was walking back to the classroom door to lock it when Lanza entered the classroom.[55] Lanza walked to the back of the classroom, saw the children under the desks, and shot them. First grader Jesse Lewis shouted at his classmates to run for safety, and several of them did. Lewis was looking at Lanza when Lanza fatally shot him.[56] Another account, given by a surviving child's father, said that Soto had moved the children to the back of the classroom, and that they were seated on the floor when Lanza entered. According to this account, neither Lanza nor any of the occupants of the classroom spoke. Lanza stared at the people on the floor, pointed the gun at a boy seated there, but did not fire at the boy, who ultimately survived.[57] The boy got up and ran out of the classroom and was among the survivors.[54]

A Hartford Courant report said that six of the children who escaped did so when Lanza stopped shooting, either because his weapon jammed or he erred in reloading it.[44] Earlier reports said that, as Lanza entered her classroom, Soto told him that the children were in the auditorium. When several of the children came out of their hiding places and tried to run for safety, Lanza fatally shot them. Soto put herself between her students and the shooter, who then fatally shot her.[58] Anne Marie Murphy, the teacher's aide who worked with special-needs students in Soto's classroom, was found covering six-year-old Dylan Hockley, who also died.[59][60] Soto and four children were found dead in the classroom, Soto near the north wall of the room with a set of keys nearby.[41]:14 One child was taken to the hospital, but was pronounced dead.[41]:14 Six surviving children from the class and a school bus driver took refuge at a nearby home.[61] According to the official report released by the state's attorney, nine children ran from Soto's classroom and survived, while two children were found by police hiding in a class bathroom.[41]:14 In all, 11 children from Soto's class survived.[56] Five of Soto's students were killed.[62]

 

[freddy]

Survivors
First grade teacher Kaitlin Roig, 29 years old, hid 14 students in a bathroom and barricaded the door, telling them to be completely quiet to remain safe.[63][64] It is believed that Lanza bypassed her classroom, which was the first classroom on the left side of the hallway; possibly because, following a lockdown drill weeks earlier, Roig had failed to remove a piece of black construction paper that was covering the small window in her classroom door. Lanza may have assumed that Roig's classroom was empty because the door was closed and the window covered.[44]

School library staff Yvonne Cech and Maryann Jacob first hid 18 children in a part of the library the school used for lockdown in practice drills. Discovering that one door would not lock, they had the children crawl into a storage room, where Cech barricaded the door with a filing cabinet.[6][43][65]

Music teacher Maryrose Kristopik, 50, barricaded her fourth-graders in a tiny supply closet during the rampage.[66] Lanza arrived moments later, pounding the door and yelling, "Let me in," while the students in Kristopik's class quietly hid inside.[67]

Two third-grade students, chosen as classroom helpers, were walking down the hallway to the office to deliver the morning attendance sheet as the shooting began. Teacher Abbey Clements pulled both children into her classroom, where they hid.[68]

Laura Feinstein, a reading specialist at the school, gathered two students from outside her classroom and hid with them under desks after they heard gunshots.[69] Feinstein called the school office and tried to call 911, but could not connect, due to the lack of reception on her cell phone. She hid with the children for approximately 40 minutes, at which point law enforcement came to lead them out of the room.[70]

 

[ECU Pirates]

All lying crisis actors Freddy. It was not even a school. 50k are in on the cover up. Seems possible....

 

[freddy]

All lying crisis actors Freddy. It was not even a school. 50k are in on the cover up. Seems possible....

Ha ha.

Really I am all for every one having their own opinion. My problem in this context is the negative impact on our 2a rights. We come across as holocaust deniers and that is certain to alienate swing votes.

 

[holdover]

Tpr. Poach and I entered the classroom and I approached a closed door in the corner which was block with bookshelf.

As Tpr. Poach posted on the door, I moved the bookshelf and ordered the individual(s) out of the closet and
identifYing myself as a State Trooper. After several verbal attempts, !attempted to open the door and observed the
door handle was locked. I asked tall police officer from an unknown town for his badge so that it could be slide under
the door, so that the individual(s) would know we were the police

I told her I would slide a patch under the door, and asked an
unknown police officer for his uniformed patch, but several police radios went off and the woman stated that she
believed me. She then stated that the door was blocked, I unlocked the door, forced the door open and observed the teacher, later identified as [ ]and nineteen other students in the closet. Again we escorted all the
teachers and students out of the school through [ ] classroom door.


http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf


[Kaitlin Roig] from interview with Diane saywer


We’re staying here until someone good comes in – I’m sorry gets us out. So eventually what happened was, the police came in and started knocking and obviously, I mean, I was completely beside myself. And I said, I don’t believe you, you need to put your badges under the door. So they put their badges under the door. I said, if you’re really a police officer, then you would have a way to get in here you would have a key or you would have gotten it’s from the janitor, if everything is okay, now you would have found the keys, so he had the keys and he found the right one and he unlocked the door and then they brought us out to the firehouse with the rest of the teachers and students waiting for parents to come and pick them up.

Crime scene photo shows Kaitlins bathroom door was broken and unlockable with a key.








From 00003242:

CSP Officer Kenneth Christensen:

"...[M]y arm was grabbed by Kaitlin Roig, a first grade teacher at the school. She was upset and stated her classroom was the first class in the hall, that she feared her cell phone had been taken by the gunman. She was afraid that all her personal information would be known to the person who took her phone."








Kaitlin roings cell phone taken from her room and was found in the woods after police pinged the phone.

I want to know how her cell phone ended up in the woods when the police took her out the bathroom and escorted them to the fire house.

 

[holdover]

Freddie you haven't even begun to have read the evidence and you have already come to a conclusion .Is that the way you were taught to do it?

The evidence is neutral , it doesnt care. The evidence leads where the evidence leads , and you should stop coming to conclusions when you haven't even the read the police reports yet.

 

[holdover]

Ha ha.

My problem in this context is the negative impact on our 2a rights..

This shooting had a negative impact on our 2A rights! I don't know what the hell happened at sandy hook, but what I do is, the story doesn't fit the evidence.

 

[freddy]

This shooting had a negative impact on our 2A rights! I don't know what the hell happened at sandy hook, but what I do is, the story doesn't fit the evidence.

You are correct of course, sandy hook had a negative impact on our 2a rights, yes indeed. If/when there is irrefutable evidence that shows beyond a reasonable doubt that the public was defrauded in a serious and egregious way about sandy hook, then and ONLY THEN should we make accusations. Until that point we only hurt our credibility and negatively impact our 2a rights by alienating people on the fence.

I have asked you and Will repeatedly to post the three most damning pieces of evidence to prove a conspiracy and neither of you have specifically replied.

I have no problem with asking questions. Questions and skepticism are great! But to make serious accusations without valid undeniable backup?

 

[holdover]

Full text of "Sec 12 - CT State Police Forensic Laboratory Reports.pdf (PDFy mirror)"
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The report has the following “AGENCY CASE#:”: CFS12-00 704 597 (WDMCS) CFS12-00 711 626 (WDMCS) CFS12-00 705 354 (EDMCS) 12-17618 (OCME) 12-17626 (OCME)

Laboratory Case #: ID12-002105

Supplemental DNA Reports, swab various areas of the murder weapon found at the Lanza home. 22cal. rifle. Other items swabbed include an envelope and adhesive side of the stamp, an XMAS card and the interior and exterior door handles of the car found at the crime scene.

Swabs compared to ‘known’ blood of Nancy Lanza and a liver swab from a person allegedly being Adam Lanza. Both Adam and Nancy Lanza are eliminated as contributors to the DNA found from trigger of rifle, pistol grip of rifle and shoulder stock of rifle.

Amended supplemental DNA Report Six

Report include all weapons and magazines Lanza allegedly carried in the school. Lauren Rousseau's DNA found on pistol grip of rifle, shoulder stock of rifle, feed area inside of mag, Glock magazine, 9mm magazine, P-mag magazine, and 13 cartridges. Of the 27 results found in this report all but three are mixtures. The only unredacted DNA source that is listed alone is that of principle Dawn Hochsprung. Result #18. The results are consistent with D. Hochsprung (Item 01 02) being the source profile from Item #59-S1 (swabbing - 10mm Auto cartridge). Adam Lanza’s DNA was eliminated as a contributor to 59-S1. He was also eliminated as a contributor to DNA found on stock area and forearm of shotgun as well as the shotgun shells and various magazines/cartridges.

The shotgun was found in the trunk of the Honda Civic. The Honda Civics interior and exterior door handles were swabbed Lanza’s DNA was not found.

 

[freddy]

First one I used was


The mother wanted to buy the shooter a CZ 83 pistol for Christmas and had prepared a check for that purchase to give the shooter


http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf

page 28 . listed as exhibit 612 on the warrant report

Warrant inventory report 612

Image

The police report you posted states "C183" but you call it a "CZ83 pistol".


Here’s some of what the police found in the home:

• A holiday card with a check made out to Adam from Nancy Lanza to buy a C183 (which police initially incorrectly identified as a firearm)

What Police Found in Adam Lanza's Home

 

[holdover]

You are correct of course, sandy hook had a negative impact on our 2a rights, yes indeed. If/when there is irrefutable evidence that shows beyond a reasonable doubt that the public was defrauded in a serious and egregious way about sandy hook, then and ONLY THEN should we make accusations. QUOTE]

So you make the accusations only after you have proof? Is that how it works now? How would you ever be able to obtain proof if you don't question ?

Your asking for proof before the questioning can begin. Seriously dude?

So far you haven't addressed any of the conflicting evidence I posted from the police reports , I don't know where your coming from at this point.

Please stick to the main idea. The idea I have stated was that we were not told the truth about the incident .So far I have given you only a few pieces to start with and you have failed to address them. I have sourced them through the Police reports . I asking you now , if the police reports are valid or not.? The information I gave is from the reports and speak for themselves.

You keep asking for 3 major pieces of evidence that support what Im telling you . I gave you multiple pieces that demonstrated that the story we are told was false. and so far you failed to address them .

 

[freddy]

The mother wanted to buy the shooter a CZ 83 pistol for Christmas and had prepared a check for that purchase to give the shooter

Where do you get this statement from? I see nothing to back this up.

 

[freddy]

C183 chair?
C183 protractor?
C183 digital camera?

 

[holdover]

in the conn state police report which is sourced and page given

 

[holdover]

C183 chair?
C183 protractor?
C183 digital camera?

Freddy Valid point. I get it. This was in the police reports I sourced . There seems to be a question on the CZ . Lets get through it and figure it out as a typo or not.

 

[freddy]

in the conn state police report which is sourced and page given

I don't see it. Please quote the exact wording you are refering to.
In other words where does it say the mother wanted to buy a christmas gift of a CZ83 pistol?

 

[freddy]

Full text of "Sec 12 - CT State Police Forensic Laboratory Reports.pdf (PDFy mirror)"
See other formats


The report has the following “AGENCY CASE#:”: CFS12-00 704 597 (WDMCS) CFS12-00 711 626 (WDMCS) CFS12-00 705 354 (EDMCS) 12-17618 (OCME) 12-17626 (OCME)

Laboratory Case #: ID12-002105

Supplemental DNA Reports, swab various areas of the murder weapon found at the Lanza home. 22cal. rifle. Other items swabbed include an envelope and adhesive side of the stamp, an XMAS card and the interior and exterior door handles of the car found at the crime scene.

Swabs compared to ‘known’ blood of Nancy Lanza and a liver swab from a person allegedly being Adam Lanza. Both Adam and Nancy Lanza are eliminated as contributors to the DNA found from trigger of rifle, pistol grip of rifle and shoulder stock of rifle.

Amended supplemental DNA Report Six

Report include all weapons and magazines Lanza allegedly carried in the school. Lauren Rousseau's DNA found on pistol grip of rifle, shoulder stock of rifle, feed area inside of mag, Glock magazine, 9mm magazine, P-mag magazine, and 13 cartridges. Of the 27 results found in this report all but three are mixtures. The only unredacted DNA source that is listed alone is that of principle Dawn Hochsprung. Result #18. The results are consistent with D. Hochsprung (Item 01 02) being the source profile from Item #59-S1 (swabbing - 10mm Auto cartridge). Adam Lanza’s DNA was eliminated as a contributor to 59-S1. He was also eliminated as a contributor to DNA found on stock area and forearm of shotgun as well as the shotgun shells and various magazines/cartridges.

The shotgun was found in the trunk of the Honda Civic. The Honda Civics interior and exterior door handles were swabbed Lanza’s DNA was not found.

Does the absence of dna prove lanza was not present nor slaughter those children?

 

[freddy]

Tpr. Poach and I entered the classroom and I approached a closed door in the corner which was block with bookshelf.

As Tpr. Poach posted on the door, I moved the bookshelf and ordered the individual(s) out of the closet and
identifYing myself as a State Trooper. After several verbal attempts, !attempted to open the door and observed the
door handle was locked. I asked tall police officer from an unknown town for his badge so that it could be slide under
the door, so that the individual(s) would know we were the police

I told her I would slide a patch under the door, and asked an
unknown police officer for his uniformed patch, but several police radios went off and the woman stated that she
believed me. She then stated that the door was blocked, I unlocked the door, forced the door open and observed the teacher, later identified as [ ]and nineteen other students in the closet. Again we escorted all the
teachers and students out of the school through [ ] classroom door.


http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf


[Kaitlin Roig] from interview with Diane saywer


We’re staying here until someone good comes in – I’m sorry gets us out. So eventually what happened was, the police came in and started knocking and obviously, I mean, I was completely beside myself. And I said, I don’t believe you, you need to put your badges under the door. So they put their badges under the door. I said, if you’re really a police officer, then you would have a way to get in here you would have a key or you would have gotten it’s from the janitor, if everything is okay, now you would have found the keys, so he had the keys and he found the right one and he unlocked the door and then they brought us out to the firehouse with the rest of the teachers and students waiting for parents to come and pick them up.

Crime scene photo shows Kaitlins bathroom door was broken and unlockable with a key.







From 00003242:

CSP Officer Kenneth Christensen:

"...[M]y arm was grabbed by Kaitlin Roig, a first grade teacher at the school. She was upset and stated her classroom was the first class in the hall, that she feared her cell phone had been taken by the gunman. She was afraid that all her personal information would be known to the person who took her phone."








Kaitlin roings cell phone taken from her room and was found in the woods after police pinged the phone.

I want to know how her cell phone ended up in the woods when the police took her out the bathroom and escorted them to the fire house.

A photo of a damaged keyhole and perhaps a misplaced cellphone?
If we are going to make accusations of cover up or conspiracy we will need something to hang our hat on. So far, in my opinion, there has been presented remotely close to viable.

 

[holdover]

Its not that simple Sir. Statements must be backed up by some type of documentation .

My screen has a dark background Ill simply use italics .

Police report page 28

The mother wanted to buy the shooter a CZ 83 pistol for Christmas and had prepared a check for that purchase to give the shooter.





The problem is that Adam didn't have a pistol permit because he was only 20 years old. So where are we going with this right?

This supports the fact that we are being fed a false narrative .

Final police report page 26.http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf

Other items found and noted for this report are:


- A Christmas check from the mother to the shooter to purchase a CZ 83 firearm;39

- A New York Times article from February 18, 2008, regarding the school shooting at Northern Illinois University;

- Three photographs of what appear to be a dead human, covered in blood and wrapped in plastic;

- The book Amish Grace: How Forgiveness Transcended Tragedy, Jossey-Bass, 2007, by Donald B. Kraybill, Steven Nolt and David Weaver-Zercher;40 and


- Photocopied newspaper articles from 1891 pertaining to the shooting of school children

http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf




39 The return for the December 16, 2012, search warrant indicates that Exhibit #612 was a check for a "C183." A closer inspection of the check makes it clear that "CZ83" is written. A CZ 83 is a type of pistol.


The check reads "Christmas Day" in the check’s date section.

Final report page 26


The mother wanted to buy the shooter a CZ 83 pistol for Christmas and had prepared a check for that purchase to give the shooter

Page 32 CSP final report

 

[freddy]

Final police report page 26.http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf

Other items found and noted for this report are:


- A Christmas check from the mother to the shooter to purchase a CZ 83 firearm;39

- A New York Times article from February 18, 2008, regarding the school shooting at Northern Illinois University;

- Three photographs of what appear to be a dead human, covered in blood and wrapped in plastic;

- The book Amish Grace: How Forgiveness Transcended Tragedy, Jossey-Bass, 2007, by Donald B. Kraybill, Steven Nolt and David Weaver-Zercher;40 and


- Photocopied newspaper articles from 1891 pertaining to the shooting of school children

http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf




39 The return for the December 16, 2012, search warrant indicates that Exhibit #612 was a check for a "C183." A closer inspection of the check makes it clear that "CZ83" is written. A CZ 83 is a type of pistol.


The check reads "Christmas Day" in the check’s date section.

Final report page 26


The mother wanted to buy the shooter a CZ 83 pistol for Christmas and had prepared a check for that purchase to give the shooter

Page 32 CSP final report

Not sure why this couldn't be a sort of temporary straw purchase for the son until he was of age to get his permit. But in either case, what does it prove?