Conspiracy

[ECU Pirates]

The building did.

Do you have any clue how many people would have to be involved in a cover up like that? Fake funerals, fake family grieving at said funerals, fake hospital staff. The list goes on and on. All to accomplish nothing? The entire town in on a fake school? It's impossible to have that big of a cover up. The graves are empty? You think that's a reasonable theory?

 

[Darth]

OK we have a starting point. Let me clear something up from the start. I never said it was a hoax. My claim is that we do not know what happened at Sandy hook

Now, you believe that Laza committed the crime as you stated. You have based this on the facts as you know them. You are so sure of this fact that you never bothered to question it.

Let me point out some facts for you.

Adam Lanza was never identified as the shooter by any witness

Adam Lanzas drivers license does not exist nor does his picture from his license

Crime scene photos of Lanza have never been released

Autopsy report and photos have never been released.

Lanza's finger prints were never taken from the weapon or found in the school.

So when you say it's a fact that Lanza was the shooter .i say, the evidence for it is suspect.

You would have a hard time in court to get a conviction based on the evidence alone. Your evidence of his guilt stems from what you were told only. There is almost no physical evidence he was even at the scene.

My point isn't that lanza did or didn't do it
My point is thatyou have come to a conclusion without considering the facts of the case, then scold me when I question it .

This fact is only a tiny tip of an iceberg of facts about the case which I'm sure you don't know of.

Now, my issue, where are you getting these "facts?"

Conspiracywatch.net

or

thegovernmentislyingtoyou

or

infowars

are not credible sources mind you.

 

[freddy]

OK we have a starting point. Let me clear something up from the start. I never said it was a hoax. My claim is that we do not know what happened at Sandy hook

Now, you believe that Laza committed the crime as you stated. You have based this on the facts as you know them. You are so sure of this fact that you never bothered to question it.

Let me point out some facts for you.

Adam Lanza was never identified as the shooter by any witness

Adam Lanzas drivers license does not exist nor does his picture from his license

Crime scene photos of Lanza have never been released

Autopsy report and photos have never been released.

Lanza's finger prints were never taken from the weapon or found in the school.

So when you say it's a fact that Lanza was the shooter .i say, the evidence for it is suspect.

You would have a hard time in court to get a conviction based on the evidence alone. Your evidence of his guilt stems from what you were told only. There is almost no physical evidence he was even at the scene.

My point isn't that lanza did or didn't do it
My point is thatyou have come to a conclusion without considering the facts of the case, then scold me when I question it .

This fact is only a tiny tip of an iceberg of facts about the case which I'm sure you don't know of.

Okay, fair enough. I will address each of your points one by one. But, please, in the meantime will you describe in a paragraph or two what actually happened at the building called sandy hook elementary school on or about Dec 14, 2012?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Would you please describe in a paragraph or two what actually happened at the building called sandy hook elementary school on or about Dec 14, 2012?

It was staged in an abandoned school. If you have any questions, please feel free to search the other threads here on the issue where Holdover and many others provided facts. You can then research those facts for yourself to see if they are indeed true or totally made up.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Do you have any clue how many people would have to be involved in a cover up like that? Fake funerals, fake family grieving at said funerals, fake hospital staff. The list goes on and on. All to accomplish nothing? The entire town in on a fake school? It's impossible to have that big of a cover up. The graves are empty? You think that's a reasonable theory?

Yep.

 

[FrankenCub]

Will, that's pretty useless. We've had discussions on the facts over and over, here and the other place, yet some refuse to see the facts. Even when the facts are based on pictures, video, and testimony from those involved (blatant lies). I don't know how many times we've layed everything out but it still gets ignored.

 

[ECU Pirates]

It was staged in an abandoned school. If you have any questions, please feel free to search the other threads here on the issue where Holdover and many others provided facts. You can then research those facts for yourself to see if they are indeed true or totally made up.

If they are made up they are not facts.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Will, that's pretty useless. We've had discussions on the facts over and over, here and the other place, yet some refuse to see the facts. Even when the facts are based on pictures, video, and testimony from those involved (blatant lies). I don't know how many times we've layed everything out but it still gets ignored.

Were kids killed and was it even a school?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Will, that's pretty useless. We've had discussions on the facts over and over, here and the other place, yet some refuse to see the facts. Even when the facts are based on pictures, video, and testimony from those involved (blatant lies). I don't know how many times we've layed everything out but it still gets ignored.

It gets ignored because it's in a YouTube video. Nevermind the actors that are on CBS news. Some YouTuber faked a CBS news telecast.

 

[FrankenCub]

Personally, I believe it was a school, but was not in operation. What leads me to believe that is there was no internet footprint for the school, there was something else that slips my mind right now. But a school in operation would have had it. I'll have to try to find it again.
As for the kids, I have doubts that kids were killed based on dishonest testimony. Starting from the coroner to the police involved. If any of us would have perjured ourselves the was those involved did, we'd be in jail.

 

[Darth]

If they are made up they are not facts.

You win the grand prize!

My favorite, personally, are the "crisis actor" pics. The ones where they look totally different, but if you say that you're a shill, etc.

In fact, did you know Willem Dafoe is a crisis actor?

Here he is on 9/11:

And here he is again at Sandy Hook:

Exact.

Same.

Person.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Were kids killed and was it even a school?

Look it up for yourself. I'm not playing this game with you anymore. It's the same shit over and over. I've shown aerial pictures and video of the school not being up to code. The lack of internet history for years before the alleged incident happened. Crisis actors that were used. Parents caught on camera laughing and joking. Fake activity at the firehouse. Houses being sold for 1 dollar years prior. Numerous parents being in the screen actors guild. Official prior reports of scheduled FEMA drills in that area for that day. Portable toilets staged there on the day it happened. Gag orders. Fake federal swat teams. Swat team actors later used as parents. The list goes on.

Look up all that stuff yourself and then come back. I'm not doing the work for you again so that you can just say that you don't believe it without checking for yourself or just discounting it because it's a YouTube video of an official news cast.

 

[freddy]

Please Will, identify which self-defense shootings (CCW or home invasion) are hoaxes/conspiracies/cover ups.

@Willjr75

 

[Marine Cpl]

@Willjr75

I don't understand your question. At this point I kind of don't really care. Go ask your lawyer for clarification. Answering it will get nowhere anyway so why should I even bother?

 

[freddy]

OK we have a starting point. Let me clear something up from the start. I never said it was a hoax. My claim is that we do not know what happened at Sandy hook

Now, you believe that Laza committed the crime as you stated. You have based this on the facts as you know them. You are so sure of this fact that you never bothered to question it.

Let me point out some facts for you.

Adam Lanza was never identified as the shooter by any witness

Adam Lanzas drivers license does not exist nor does his picture from his license

Crime scene photos of Lanza have never been released

Autopsy report and photos have never been released.

Lanza's finger prints were never taken from the weapon or found in the school.

So when you say it's a fact that Lanza was the shooter .i say, the evidence for it is suspect.

You would have a hard time in court to get a conviction based on the evidence alone. Your evidence of his guilt stems from what you were told only. There is almost no physical evidence he was even at the scene.

My point isn't that lanza did or didn't do it
My point is thatyou have come to a conclusion without considering the facts of the case, then scold me when I question it .

This fact is only a tiny tip of an iceberg of facts about the case which I'm sure you don't know of.

Adam Lanza was never identified as the shooter by any witness

Wounded Natalie Hammond, 40, lead teacher "Natalie Hammond went into the hall to determine the source of the sounds and encountered Lanza. "
And surviving children​

Adam Lanzas drivers license does not exist nor does his picture from his license

Interesting, but proof of massive conspiracy and cover up?​

Crime scene photos of Lanza have never been released

SAA​

Autopsy report and photos have never been released.

SAA​

Lanza's finger prints were never taken from the weapon or found in the school.

Please site source​

There is almost no physical evidence [Lanza] was even at the scene.

Lanza's corpse​

 

[freddy]

I don't understand your question. At this point I kind of don't really care. Go ask your lawyer for clarification. Answering it will get nowhere anyway so why should I even bother?

Fair enough. Your position is untenable.

 

[holdover]

freddy, Adam Lanza was never identified as the shooter by any witness

Wounded Natalie Hammond, 40, lead teacher "Natalie Hammond went into the hall to determine the source of the sounds and encountered Lanza. "
And surviving children

In book 00256315, Natalie Hammond described the shooter as “5‘8″ to 5’11” and…wearing dark hat and a mask…” – Adam Lanza was 6′ tall, 112 lbs, and wore a black stocking cap, no mask
police report


​

Adam Lanzas drivers license does not exist nor does his picture from his license

Interesting, but proof of massive conspiracy and cover up?

No not proof .​

Crime scene photos of Lanza have never been released

SAA
It demonstrates a lack of evidence to support your claim ​

Autopsy report and photos have never been released.

SAA

It demonstrates a lack of evidence to support your claim ​

Lanza's finger prints were never taken from the weapon or found in the school.

Please site source

Ill have to check that further, I thought it was the gun ,I might have mixed it up with the car, Ill get back to that ,

In report 00063173 (page 3-4), it is noted that “…Investigators examined the entire vehicle for identifiable latent fingerprints…Investigators yielded NEGATIVE results for latent prints, but a shoe impression was lifted from the front passenger door…”
​

There is almost no physical evidence [Lanza] was even at the scene.

Lanza's corpse

Did you see it? or were you told it was him and he was there? ​

http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf

 

[Darth]

In book 00256315, Natalie Hammond described the shooter as “5‘8″ to 5’11” and…wearing dark hat and a mask…” – Adam Lanza was 6′ tall, 112 lbs, and wore a black stocking cap, no mask
police report

@holdover
This is EXACTLY the unreliability I am talking about.

If there is an active shooter in the area, you think there might be...idk, panic and confusion?

If you say that a description of 5'11, when he's ACTUALLY 6'0" is proof of anything...you are fooling yourself.

"He was wearing a hat and mask..."NO, IT WAS A STOCKING ON HIS FACE!"...You mean like a hat and mask covers?

This is a WELL known and documented phenomena.

 

[holdover]

"Darth,In book 00256315, Natalie Hammond described the shooter as “5‘8″ to 5’11” and…wearing dark hat and a mask…” – Adam Lanza was 6′ tall, 112 lbs, and wore a black stocking cap, no mask
police report

@holdover
This is EXACTLY the unreliability I am talking about.

ME too! You missed the whole point! The point I was making before, is that nobody id'ed the shooter yet people are 100% sure he did what they were told

If there is an active shooter in the area, you think there might be...idk, panic and confusion?

Yes!

If you say that a description of 5'11, when he's ACTUALLY 6'0" is proof of anything...you are fooling yourself

You misunderstood the whole point, Its proof nobody Id'ed the shooter!

"He was wearing a hat and mask..."NO, IT WAS A STOCKING ON HIS FACE!"...You mean like a hat and mask covers?

Goofball

This is a WELL known and documented phenomena.

Yes it is !!! Thanks for helping me make my point!!!

Its a shame that you jump to conclusions without reading what I said. Its almost impossible to have a legitimate dialog with you.

The point I was making earlier wasn't if Lanza was the shooter or not. ( irrelevant) That wasn't my point. The point was/ is that people will believe a lot bullshit with little or inconclusive evidence .

How do you weigh the evidence objectively when you already know the answer? You don't. You simply spew out the answer you ""Know"" to be correct based on what your told ,not the evidence .( much like the post you just answered. ) The process of gathering information is in question. what you were told about sandy hook is in question.

what concrete facts do you really have that he committed the crime? ( don't avoid the question.)

 

[freddy]

freddy, Adam Lanza was never identified as the shooter by any witness

Wounded Natalie Hammond, 40, lead teacher "Natalie Hammond went into the hall to determine the source of the sounds and encountered Lanza. "
And surviving children

In book 00256315, Natalie Hammond described the shooter as “5‘8″ to 5’11” and…wearing dark hat and a mask…” – Adam Lanza was 6′ tall, 112 lbs, and wore a black stocking cap, no mask
police report


​

Adam Lanzas drivers license does not exist nor does his picture from his license

Interesting, but proof of massive conspiracy and cover up?

No not proof .​

Crime scene photos of Lanza have never been released

SAA
Don't know what SAA means . ​

Autopsy report and photos have never been released.

SAA​

Lanza's finger prints were never taken from the weapon or found in the school.

Please site source

Ill have to check that further, I thought it was the gun ,I might have mixed it up with the car, Ill get back to that ,

In report 00063173 (page 3-4), it is noted that “…Investigators examined the entire vehicle for identifiable latent fingerprints…Investigators yielded NEGATIVE results for latent prints, but a shoe impression was lifted from the front passenger door…”
​

There is almost no physical evidence [Lanza] was even at the scene.

Lanza's corpse

Did you see it? or were you told it was him and he was there? ​

http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf

SAA = same as above

 

[freddy]

freddy, Adam Lanza was never identified as the shooter by any witness

Wounded Natalie Hammond, 40, lead teacher "Natalie Hammond went into the hall to determine the source of the sounds and encountered Lanza. "
And surviving children

In book 00256315, Natalie Hammond described the shooter as “5‘8″ to 5’11” and…wearing dark hat and a mask…” – Adam Lanza was 6′ tall, 112 lbs, and wore a black stocking cap, no mask
police report


​

Adam Lanzas drivers license does not exist nor does his picture from his license

Interesting, but proof of massive conspiracy and cover up?

No not proof .​

Crime scene photos of Lanza have never been released

SAA
Don't know what SAA means . ​

Autopsy report and photos have never been released.

SAA​

Lanza's finger prints were never taken from the weapon or found in the school.

Please site source

Ill have to check that further, I thought it was the gun ,I might have mixed it up with the car, Ill get back to that ,

In report 00063173 (page 3-4), it is noted that “…Investigators examined the entire vehicle for identifiable latent fingerprints…Investigators yielded NEGATIVE results for latent prints, but a shoe impression was lifted from the front passenger door…”
​

There is almost no physical evidence [Lanza] was even at the scene.

Lanza's corpse

Did you see it? or were you told it was him and he was there? ​

http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/Sandy_Hook_Final_Report.pdf

I had never read the police report before. Thanks for posting.

You site that police report as evidence (no witness identified Lanza). Then in the same post you question whether I saw the body of Lanza or if I was told it was there. Inconsistent at a minimum. You use police reporting when it supports your view, and then the very same police reporting is claimed to be worthless.

 

[freddy]

I am seeing loose ends, but so far nothing solid to support massive cover up.

Please, what are the top three most damning inconsistencies that suggest a cover up or conspiracy?

Honestly it would be GREAT if it was a cover up. Maybe then the UNSAFE act might have a chance to be unwound. I would love to see something solid to demonstrate a hoax or massive cover up. Most of all to know that all those first graders did not go through that sheer terror and suffering.

 

[holdover]

I had never read the police report before. Thanks for posting.

You site that police report as evidence (no witness identified Lanza). Then in the same post you question whether I saw the body of Lanza or if I was told it was there. Inconsistent at a minimum.


Come on man, Im pretty fucking sure you weren't there and didn't see the body . Really ???


You use police reporting when it supports your view, and then the very same police reporting is claimed to be worthless

Are you fucking for real? You cant be that stupid.

First off let me state .The police report is the only evidence we can use since every single witness at the scene story is not credible. I cannot use any witness to support my case because The stories are so unreliable. They can be discredited in 1 minute. The media stories are the same , extremely unreliable subject to change, unreliable un named sources

That leaves us with only the police report. My contention is that the police report is contradictory and parts are blatantly false . The burden on me is to demonstrate where and how it is. BUTTTTTTTT I have to actually use the police report and crime scene reports to demonstrate it. See how that works?

If my theory is that we wernt told the truth by the police and media I have to use the police and media reports to show this.

Does that make sense to you ?

Here is an inconsistency in the police report

Police report: page 21

Located on the floor of classroom 6 was one live round "Federal Tactical" 12 gauge shotgun slug shell (Exhibit 49). This shotgun shell was made of clear-like plastic and was different in color from the shotgun shell that was seized on the shooter’s person. On the floor of classroom 4 was a blue colored 12 gauge slug shotgun shell with the word "Federal Premium Tactical Rifled slug" stamped on the side and "12 GA Made in USA stamped on the head of the shell (Exhibit 99). This shotgun shell was made of a blue colored plastic and also was different in color from the shotgun gun shell that was seized from the shooter’s person.
As mentioned previously, the loose shotgun shells not found on the shooter were in locations where first responders had been and had reported missing shotgun shells. Additionally, there were no witness reports of any persons being seen with firearms other than first responders in those locations, there were no expended shotgun shell casings or projectiles recovered at the scene and the live shotgun shell on the shooter’s person and those recovered from his car did not match any of those recovered from the three locations. No shotgun was recovered from the school. It is believed that these live shells were dropped by first responders

crime scene pics:

bookcase near front door where shooter entered. was hit with a shotgun blast



I grabbed the first pic off the net I found, I m not going to spend hours searching for the original.



This was not caused by an 223 round . Hopefully your commonsense will agree with that . The original was from the police crime scene photos.

The police reports states that no shotgun was used by officers or the shooter . which contradicts the evidence in the photo.

Do you have a reasonable explanation of the contradiction?[/QUOTE]

 

[holdover]

freddy, post: 330165, member: 430"]I am seeing loose ends, but so far nothing solid to support massive cover up.

Well we didnt get there yet

Please, what are the top three most damning inconsistencies that suggest a cover up or conspiracy?

We needed to establish base points before we can go into details

Honestly it would be GREAT if it was a cover up. Maybe then the UNSAFE act might have a chance to be unwound. I would love to see something solid to demonstrate a hoax or massive cover up. Most of all to know that all those first graders did not go through that sheer terror and suffering.

I don't have anything to demonstrate it was a hoax, Ive stated that earlier. I never said kids didn't die or suffer.

I was counting on your honesty and ability to comprehend in order to demonstrate that what we were told about the crime wasn't totally true.

By your own admission, you never read the police reports . But your sure of what happened.

Now I have a busy day today, hopefully I can post more tonight .

 

[ECU Pirates]

Anyone who thinks no kids were killed and the entire school was not in operation (entire town in on cover up) is fucking crazy. That’s my common sense take on it. The graves are not empty.

 

[Defilade]

Anyone who thinks no kids were killed and the entire school was not in operation (entire town in on cover up) is fucking crazy. That’s my common sense take on it. The graves are not empty.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[freddy]

I had never read the police report before. Thanks for posting.

You site that police report as evidence (no witness identified Lanza). Then in the same post you question whether I saw the body of Lanza or if I was told it was there. Inconsistent at a minimum.


Come on man, Im pretty fucking sure you weren't there and didn't see the body . Really ???


You use police reporting when it supports your view, and then the very same police reporting is claimed to be worthless

Are you fucking for real? You cant be that stupid.

First off let me state .The police report is the only evidence we can use since every single witness at the scene story is not credible. I cannot use any witness to support my case because The stories are so unreliable. They can be discredited in 1 minute. The media stories are the same , extremely unreliable subject to change, unreliable un named sources

That leaves us with only the police report. My contention is that the police report is contradictory and parts are blatantly false . The burden on me is to demonstrate where and how it is. BUTTTTTTTT I have to actually use the police report and crime scene reports to demonstrate it. See how that works?

If my theory is that we wernt told the truth by the police and media I have to use the police and media reports to show this.

Does that make sense to you ?

Here is an inconsistency in the police report

Police report: page 21

Located on the floor of classroom 6 was one live round "Federal Tactical" 12 gauge shotgun slug shell (Exhibit 49). This shotgun shell was made of clear-like plastic and was different in color from the shotgun shell that was seized on the shooter’s person. On the floor of classroom 4 was a blue colored 12 gauge slug shotgun shell with the word "Federal Premium Tactical Rifled slug" stamped on the side and "12 GA Made in USA stamped on the head of the shell (Exhibit 99). This shotgun shell was made of a blue colored plastic and also was different in color from the shotgun gun shell that was seized from the shooter’s person.
As mentioned previously, the loose shotgun shells not found on the shooter were in locations where first responders had been and had reported missing shotgun shells. Additionally, there were no witness reports of any persons being seen with firearms other than first responders in those locations, there were no expended shotgun shell casings or projectiles recovered at the scene and the live shotgun shell on the shooter’s person and those recovered from his car did not match any of those recovered from the three locations. No shotgun was recovered from the school. It is believed that these live shells were dropped by first responders

crime scene pics:

bookcase near front door where shooter entered. was hit with a shotgun blast



I grabbed the first pic off the net I found, I m not going to spend hours searching for the original.



This was not caused by an 223 round . Hopefully your commonsense will agree with that . The original was from the police crime scene photos.

The police reports states that no shotgun was used by officers or the shooter . which contradicts the evidence in the photo.

Do you have a reasonable explanation of the contradiction?

You provide a single blurry close up. If it was a coverup why would they provide that photo? Not obvious it is damage caused by a shotgun or rifle. Could be either to my untrained eye. Debris from impact of rifle bullet could cause that possibly. But I am not a ballistics expert. Are you? Do have any closeup photos in focus? Even if that was damage from shotshell... so what? Might be a clerical error or ND by police - what of it? Massive conspiracy? Coverup? Staged shooting with crisis actors? Not a real school? Come on man. Let's see something substantial. So far we have not. Do you have anything else?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Anyone who thinks no kids were killed and the entire school was not in operation (entire town in on cover up) is fucking crazy. That’s my common sense take on it. The graves are not empty.

You can add law enforcement officers and other officials to that list who have looked into it as fucking crazy as well. But wait. It's a YouTube video so it's made up. Not that you'd watch the video anyway. Just eat up what CBS tells you. That's real news.

 

[Darth]

It's amazing how fast people turn into "brainwashed MSM watching sheep" when they don't agree with every whackjob nutter theory of the day.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It's amazing how fast people turn into "brainwashed MSM watching sheep" when they don't agree with every whackjob nutter theory of the day.

It's amazing how fast people turn into whackjob nutter theory of the day people when they don't agree with the brainwashed MSM watching sheep.