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I want you to answer so there is no question about it.
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No Can we get there?
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Lanza next went to another first-grade classroom nearby; at this point, there are conflicting reports about the order of events. According to some reports, the classroom's teacher, Victoria Leigh Soto, had concealed some of the students in a closet or bathroom, and some of the other students were hiding under desks.[44] Soto was walking back to the classroom door to lock it when Lanza entered the classroom.[55] Lanza walked to the back of the classroom, saw the children under the desks, and shot them. First grader Jesse Lewis shouted at his classmates to run for safety, and several of them did. Lewis was looking at Lanza when Lanza fatally shot him.[56] Another account, given by a surviving child's father, said that Soto had moved the children to the back of the classroom, and that they were seated on the floor when Lanza entered. According to this account, neither Lanza nor any of the occupants of the classroom spoke. Lanza stared at the people on the floor, pointed the gun at a boy seated there, but did not fire at the boy, who ultimately survived.[57] The boy got up and ran out of the classroom and was among the survivors.[54]
A Hartford Courant report said that six of the children who escaped did so when Lanza stopped shooting, either because his weapon jammed or he erred in reloading it.[44] Earlier reports said that, as Lanza entered her classroom, Soto told him that the children were in the auditorium. When several of the children came out of their hiding places and tried to run for safety, Lanza fatally shot them. Soto put herself between her students and the shooter, who then fatally shot her.[58] Anne Marie Murphy, the teacher's aide who worked with special-needs students in Soto's classroom, was found covering six-year-old Dylan Hockley, who also died.[59][60] Soto and four children were found dead in the classroom, Soto near the north wall of the room with a set of keys nearby.[41]:14 One child was taken to the hospital, but was pronounced dead.[41]:14 Six surviving children from the class and a school bus driver took refuge at a nearby home.[61] According to the official report released by the state's attorney, nine children ran from Soto's classroom and survived, while two children were found by police hiding in a class bathroom.[41]:14 In all, 11 children from Soto's class survived.[56] Five of Soto's students were killed.[62]
A Hartford Courant report said that six of the children who escaped did so when Lanza stopped shooting, either because his weapon jammed or he erred in reloading it.[44] Earlier reports said that, as Lanza entered her classroom, Soto told him that the children were in the auditorium. When several of the children came out of their hiding places and tried to run for safety, Lanza fatally shot them. Soto put herself between her students and the shooter, who then fatally shot her.[58] Anne Marie Murphy, the teacher's aide who worked with special-needs students in Soto's classroom, was found covering six-year-old Dylan Hockley, who also died.[59][60] Soto and four children were found dead in the classroom, Soto near the north wall of the room with a set of keys nearby.[41]:14 One child was taken to the hospital, but was pronounced dead.[41]:14 Six surviving children from the class and a school bus driver took refuge at a nearby home.[61] According to the official report released by the state's attorney, nine children ran from Soto's classroom and survived, while two children were found by police hiding in a class bathroom.[41]:14 In all, 11 children from Soto's class survived.[56] Five of Soto's students were killed.[62]
holdover
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How many survivors were found in sotos room? its a simple question. its in the police reports you never read.
holdover
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Ok 2. 2 survivors were found alive in Sotos room you want to go with that?
The courant also said :
In the classroom next door, Lanza pointed a gun at Victoria Soto, who was twenty-seven years old, and demanded to know where the children were. She lied and said that they’d gone to the auditorium, according to the Courant’s account; really, she had hidden them in a closet. He shot and killed Soto. When the police searched the room and opened the closet door, "there were seven sets of eyes looking at them," a law enforcement official told the Courant—all safe.
Officers found the children during the initial, rushed search of the building for survivors.
"Finally, they opened that door and there were seven sets of eyes looking at them," a law enforcement officer familiar with the events said Saturday. "She tried to save her class" he said of Victoria Soto.
The courant also said :
In the classroom next door, Lanza pointed a gun at Victoria Soto, who was twenty-seven years old, and demanded to know where the children were. She lied and said that they’d gone to the auditorium, according to the Courant’s account; really, she had hidden them in a closet. He shot and killed Soto. When the police searched the room and opened the closet door, "there were seven sets of eyes looking at them," a law enforcement official told the Courant—all safe.
Officers found the children during the initial, rushed search of the building for survivors.
"Finally, they opened that door and there were seven sets of eyes looking at them," a law enforcement officer familiar with the events said Saturday. "She tried to save her class" he said of Victoria Soto.
holdover
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How many kids from sotos room did Tricia Gogliettino take to the police dept?
freddy
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And...
holdover
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the devil is in the details
freddy
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Five?
freddy
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I'll glady pay you Tuesday for the top 3 today.
holdover
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yep.
holdover
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if 5 kids went to the police station and 5 kids went to rosens, five kids died , 2 kids were found in the closet , it means at least one of the storys isn't true. theres two extra kids in her class
freddy
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What is source for 15 kid total before the shooting began?
holdover
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because she only had 16 kids in her class total . one missed that day of school .
freddy
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And what is source of that statement?
freddy
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holdover
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I cant remember. off the top of my head.
freddy
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5 killed
2 in closet
9 escaped (of which 6 ran to Rosens house)
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16 total
Robin
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Looks like I was right all along, no surprise there.
Robin
Robin
holdover
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Barbara Sibley – And then I walked to the doorway and there was another mom standing there…
Barbara Sibley – …and all the while I’m thinking to myself, “the building is so quiet and why is it so quiet”, and I said to her “is there something going on” and she goes, “I don’t know but look”, and she pointed and I looked and next to the door where there’s a buzzer, you have to buzz in to the building, the whole plate glass window to the right of the door was shattered and there was glass everywhere and we looked at that and we said well this is really strange…
Multiple bullet caseings lying scattered among blood and broken glass and Mrs Sibley is standing right there wondering why it was so quiet . She was standing in blood and bullet caseings and broken glass while children fled from the school and she thought it was ""strange""
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Barbara Sibley – …and all the while I’m thinking to myself, “the building is so quiet and why is it so quiet”, and I said to her “is there something going on” and she goes, “I don’t know but look”, and she pointed and I looked and next to the door where there’s a buzzer, you have to buzz in to the building, the whole plate glass window to the right of the door was shattered and there was glass everywhere and we looked at that and we said well this is really strange…
Multiple bullet caseings lying scattered among blood and broken glass and Mrs Sibley is standing right there wondering why it was so quiet . She was standing in blood and bullet caseings and broken glass while children fled from the school and she thought it was ""strange""
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freddy
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Elementary school with:
Bullet casings,
Blood,
Children fleeing in terror,
Shattered glass everywhere...
That certainly is strange!Blood,
Children fleeing in terror,
Shattered glass everywhere...
holdover
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Your strange. and your dishonest. Sibley wasn't incorrect, or mistaken, she was lying. Her and another mother were standing right there according to her. This is one of your iron clad eyewitnesses who was on the scene.
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"Iron clad eyewitness" = oxymoron, as already discussed.
holdover
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Thanks for the help . That's exactly my point.
freddy
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Dude, I have no idea what you are saying. What are you saying about Sibley? What is she lying about? Care to explain?
holdover
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Well, the context of my position is that of a false narrative, This supports what I am saying. No eyewitness ID'ed lanza.
Kaitlin roings story is impossible.
Barbra Siblys is an outright fabrication .
we have various descriptions of the shooter:
Book 5
00003250.pdf
"04 stated that the children had told her that when the man had come into their classroom they had run out of the room and ultimately the school. The children stated that the man had a "shotgun," and one of the boys told her that the man had a mask. The children stated that they had seen their teacher get shot in the foot, and that they had seen "murdered" people."
Book 5
00005519.pdf
Woman who left school at approximately 9:31-9:34 said she saw suspicious older man at school just prior to shooting:
"04 stated that there was an older man, approximately 60-65 years old, dressed in dark clothing, with his hands in his pockets. He was walking in and shuffling. She knows that this was not Adam Lanza, but it did make her do a double and triple take.... 04 stated that most people who come to the school are animated and jovial, and it struck her as odd that this man was not smiling and very flat in expression."
Book 5
00005524.pdf
Natalie Hammond told people in conference room shooter was wearing a mask.
"One of the teachers in the meeting, "Natalie", ran and shut the meeting room door and thereafter said that she had been shot. 04 related that Natalie had said that "he had a mask on."
Book 5
00006254.pdf
"While 04 was on the telephone, Hammond provided her with a description of what she had seen. Hammond related that she saw a person with a mask and that Hochspring and Sherlack had been shot."
Book 5
00007937.pdf
"...I saw a man standing in the lobby facing down the primary wing (hallway) to the 1st grade and 2nd grade classrooms. The man appeared white and was wearing a soft rim type hat, sunglasses (dark), and he was holding a rifle type gun with a long barrel."(no mask no sunglasses)
(Note that police did not describe sunglasses nor were sunglasses included in the photos of the shooter's clothing in the police report. Same with a mask that many witnesses saw.)
"Hammond described the gunman as wearing dark clothing, approximately 5'-8" - 5'-10" in height, with a medium build. Hammond stated that she could not see his face..."
Book 5
00030129.pdf
Female student survivor describes shooter in Army clothes
"Then, a man dressed in green and beige "Army" clothes came into her classroom, didn't say anything and 'began shooting random people...with his rifle."
(Note: Adam was wearing all black, as evidenced by the photos
Book 5
00177428.pdf
"At approximately 1058 hours, Off. Greco brought in [redacted] along with her mother for an interview. [redacted] explained that the bad guy shot her teacher and classmates. She further explained that the bad guy looked like an Army guy wearing what sounded like green fatigues. She further stated that she only saw one bad guy.... In speaking with Sgt. Kullgren, he didn't sound 100% sure that there was only one shooter."
Book 5
00180063.pdf
"...the classroom door 'banged open' and a man with a gun came into the classroom. [redacted] described the man as tall and skinny with light skin and a brown beard that was short. He stated that he was wearing a green army style hat with straps, and green shirt and camouflage pants (no mask no sunglasses)
Book 5
00198959.pdf
"After a few moments, the classroom door opened and a 'bad man' entered the room and started shooting everyone in the class. [redacted] said the shooter was dressed in "army clothes" and was firing a 'bazooka.' He thought the shooter had dark skin and a beard."
Book 5
00198970.pdf
"...then he saw a white man with all green clothing and a green hat, with black boots, walk into his classroom carrying a gun....He described the man as 'being the age of a dad' when asked how old the shooter was looked."
Book 5
00256448.pdf
"He was wearing brown or camo shirt, brown pants, a hat that was like a sombrero but smaller that was also brown.... he was also wearing sunglasses.
Book 5
00258277.pdf
"[redacted] stated that the male shooter didn't say anything to anyone, and described the shooter as a white guy with a heavy winter-like brown jacket, and a green shirt underneath the jacket. [redacted] stated that he believed the man was wearing army green kind of pants, and described him as having dark hair, longer on the top than on the bottom, with no beard or moustache."
Book 5
00256630.pdf
(Sally Cox, school nurse)"04 hid underneath the computer desk. Through a hole in the back of the computer desk, she observed from the knees down a person standing directly in front of her, with feet pointed towards her.... The person's pants looked dark blue and the boots were black."
And as I said before, the lack of evidence that the shooter was lanza is in question. There can be no certainty at this point from the information we have that Lanza did this. As I said before, there isnt enough evidence to charge lanza at trespassing at this point.
and the question Im asking is who is the shooter? and what is the evidence ?
Kaitlin roings story is impossible.
Barbra Siblys is an outright fabrication .
we have various descriptions of the shooter:
Book 5
00003250.pdf
"04 stated that the children had told her that when the man had come into their classroom they had run out of the room and ultimately the school. The children stated that the man had a "shotgun," and one of the boys told her that the man had a mask. The children stated that they had seen their teacher get shot in the foot, and that they had seen "murdered" people."
Book 5
00005519.pdf
Woman who left school at approximately 9:31-9:34 said she saw suspicious older man at school just prior to shooting:
"04 stated that there was an older man, approximately 60-65 years old, dressed in dark clothing, with his hands in his pockets. He was walking in and shuffling. She knows that this was not Adam Lanza, but it did make her do a double and triple take.... 04 stated that most people who come to the school are animated and jovial, and it struck her as odd that this man was not smiling and very flat in expression."
Book 5
00005524.pdf
Natalie Hammond told people in conference room shooter was wearing a mask.
"One of the teachers in the meeting, "Natalie", ran and shut the meeting room door and thereafter said that she had been shot. 04 related that Natalie had said that "he had a mask on."
Book 5
00006254.pdf
"While 04 was on the telephone, Hammond provided her with a description of what she had seen. Hammond related that she saw a person with a mask and that Hochspring and Sherlack had been shot."
Book 5
00007937.pdf
"...I saw a man standing in the lobby facing down the primary wing (hallway) to the 1st grade and 2nd grade classrooms. The man appeared white and was wearing a soft rim type hat, sunglasses (dark), and he was holding a rifle type gun with a long barrel."(no mask no sunglasses)
(Note that police did not describe sunglasses nor were sunglasses included in the photos of the shooter's clothing in the police report. Same with a mask that many witnesses saw.)
"Hammond described the gunman as wearing dark clothing, approximately 5'-8" - 5'-10" in height, with a medium build. Hammond stated that she could not see his face..."
Book 5
00030129.pdf
Female student survivor describes shooter in Army clothes
"Then, a man dressed in green and beige "Army" clothes came into her classroom, didn't say anything and 'began shooting random people...with his rifle."
(Note: Adam was wearing all black, as evidenced by the photos
Book 5
00177428.pdf
"At approximately 1058 hours, Off. Greco brought in [redacted] along with her mother for an interview. [redacted] explained that the bad guy shot her teacher and classmates. She further explained that the bad guy looked like an Army guy wearing what sounded like green fatigues. She further stated that she only saw one bad guy.... In speaking with Sgt. Kullgren, he didn't sound 100% sure that there was only one shooter."
Book 5
00180063.pdf
"...the classroom door 'banged open' and a man with a gun came into the classroom. [redacted] described the man as tall and skinny with light skin and a brown beard that was short. He stated that he was wearing a green army style hat with straps, and green shirt and camouflage pants (no mask no sunglasses)
Book 5
00198959.pdf
"After a few moments, the classroom door opened and a 'bad man' entered the room and started shooting everyone in the class. [redacted] said the shooter was dressed in "army clothes" and was firing a 'bazooka.' He thought the shooter had dark skin and a beard."
Book 5
00198970.pdf
"...then he saw a white man with all green clothing and a green hat, with black boots, walk into his classroom carrying a gun....He described the man as 'being the age of a dad' when asked how old the shooter was looked."
Book 5
00256448.pdf
"He was wearing brown or camo shirt, brown pants, a hat that was like a sombrero but smaller that was also brown.... he was also wearing sunglasses.
Book 5
00258277.pdf
"[redacted] stated that the male shooter didn't say anything to anyone, and described the shooter as a white guy with a heavy winter-like brown jacket, and a green shirt underneath the jacket. [redacted] stated that he believed the man was wearing army green kind of pants, and described him as having dark hair, longer on the top than on the bottom, with no beard or moustache."
Book 5
00256630.pdf
(Sally Cox, school nurse)"04 hid underneath the computer desk. Through a hole in the back of the computer desk, she observed from the knees down a person standing directly in front of her, with feet pointed towards her.... The person's pants looked dark blue and the boots were black."
And as I said before, the lack of evidence that the shooter was lanza is in question. There can be no certainty at this point from the information we have that Lanza did this. As I said before, there isnt enough evidence to charge lanza at trespassing at this point.
and the question Im asking is who is the shooter? and what is the evidence ?