Constitutional Convention

[SomeSoldier]

I say burn it to the ground and start over.

 

[Marine Cpl]

And have our children walk amongst the ashes.

 

[DoD1776]

New York Is About to Vote on a Constitutional Convention: Here’s Why You Should Care | Village Voice

 

[Marine Cpl]

"A home-rule provision in a new constitution would allow a city of more than eight million residents to chart its destiny independent of Albany’s whims, freeing the five boroughs from the yoke of upstate and suburban conservative legislators who have voted to gut protections for tenants."

 

[Steal2B]

New York Is About to Vote on a Constitutional Convention: Here’s Why You Should Care | Village Voice

God help us if a Convention meets this touted goal discussed in the link. "a far-reaching opportunity to dissolve the state assembly and senate and move to a unicameral legislature ......... A unicameral legislature could be a boon for the city: City interests dominate the assembly but always run into roadblocks in the senate, where the larger districts are more susceptible to gerrymandering." Kinda has progressive NYC interests running the state.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yeah. But fuck unions. It's more important that they get fucked. So I'll vote Yes and shoot myself in the foot.

 

[Steal2B]

Yeah. But fuck unions. It's more important that they get fucked. So I'll vote Yes and shoot myself in the foot.

I don't see how letting FUAC steal the pensions of State retirees (including the police, and fire) to share with his buddies screws the union bosses who will keep getting their vig from the rank and file anyway.

 

[pjzwtl]

I say burn it to the ground and start over.

Probably the only good idea

 

[Truebeliever]

Be careful what is written about this convention. They have not told the whole truth on it.

They can't go out and say, "Everyone is now getting 75% of what is promised." The state basically wants to use the funds that are currently sitting unused. They want access to the money now and give an, "I owe you when the time for you to collect." The chances on a state not paying out what is/was guaranteed under federal contract law is EXTREMELY low.

they did that in Detroit. They got a percentage of what their pensions should have been.

 

[Truebeliever]

I don't see how letting FUAC steal the pensions of State retirees (including the police, and fire) to share with his buddies screws the union bosses who will keep getting their vig from the rank and file anyway.

It’s not union bosses who get screwed. It’s the worker. There is a reason the pension protection was added during the Great Depression. Because they screwed the worker or attempted to then.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I don't see how letting FUAC steal the pensions of State retirees (including the police, and fire) to share with his buddies screws the union bosses who will keep getting their vig from the rank and file anyway.

I know. It was sarcasm. Some here hate unions so bad that they want to vote Yes.

 

[spat]

Probably the only good idea

Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Who runs against Cumhole needs to run on a platform of end the creation of second class citizenship. Every pperson in NY can get behind that.

 

[NirvanaFan]

Be careful what is written about this convention. They have not told the whole truth on it.

they did that in Detroit. They got a percentage of what their pensions should have been.

The pensioners agreed to that cut.

 

[Marine Cpl]

When threatened that they will lose their entire pension, I don't agree that they did so willingly. It's hardly an agreement when you have your arm twisted behind your back and are being forced to yell "Uncle!"

If the state has the legal responsibility that they have to agree to the contract they originally agreed to, they are less likely to pass programs and other pet projects if they know they cannot afford it because they don't have the money.

 

[Grimscale]

If the state has the legal responsibility that they have to agree to the contract they originally agreed to, they are less likely to pass programs and other pet projects if they know they cannot afford it because they don't have the money.

But they do this all the time. They overspend well beyond what they take in, then try to find more 'creative' ways to suck more and more money out of the remaining productive members of society. All the time also trying to get around any rules.

 

[Marine Cpl]

But they do this all the time. They overspend well beyond what they take in, then try to find more 'creative' ways to suck more and more money out of the remaining productive members of society. All the time also trying to get around any rules.

And what would happen if they had access to these pension funds? Even more overspending.

 

[redtail]

ConConFlyer

 

[Doc8404]

ConConFlyer

I find it surprising the Oneida county rep is a retired Sgt from NYS DOCS.

 

[laney50w]

I've been wondering about this myself lately and how I should vote. My personal opinion is that NYC is going to have to most sway. In short, it won't be good results for most of us. Therefore, I think I'm going to vote Nay.

Yup....sadly, NYC rules the entire State of NY...

 

[Marine Cpl]

Rejected.

New York Voters Reject a Constitutional Convention

 

[minderasr]

Rejected.

New York Voters Reject a Constitutional Convention

Apparently FUAC wanted a no vote on the con con. So we gave him what he wanted.

 

[togmaster]

It appears the Con Con vote hurt us. With all of the State unions pushing their members to vote, it pushed a disproportionate amount of Dems to the polls. I'm sure it influenced the local elections around me.

 

[Robin]

Good point Tog, bet your right. Hated being on the same side as the union thugs but it had to go down.
Robin

 

[Steal2B]

It appears the Con Con vote hurt us. With all of the State unions pushing their members to vote, it pushed a disproportionate amount of Dems to the polls. I'm sure it influenced the local elections around me.

You are right. In fact there is feedback that the left turnout was unprecedented in many polling locations because of the anti convention campaign efforts.

 

[Steal2B]

It appears the Con Con vote hurt us. With all of the State unions pushing their members to vote, it pushed a disproportionate amount of Dems to the polls. I'm sure it influenced the local elections around me.

You are right. In fact there is feedback that the left turnout was unprecedented in many polling locations because of the anti convention campaign efforts.

 

[redtail]

Assholes biotch about the corrupt state gub and when the chance comes up to change shit they gobble cock. No term limits, no seperation fron nyc, no nuthin but more of the same. Thank the municipal cockholsters for their service.