BMF JK
.44 mag
@tommygunz im sorry to hear of your troubles, this is the kinda bullshit that makes my head hurt !! 
Denied my Sportsperson amendment!!!
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Celt
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Correct. My letter was very similar to @tommygunz and i received the sportsperson approval. But wastechester is tough.
Curmudgeon
.308 Win
I'll take, "When is a right not a right" for $2000 Alex.
HAHAHA thats awesome!
If you don't mind me asking, how long ago was that.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Heller prohibited an outright ban, so essentially they cannot deny a premise permit. They can deny anything else, and apparently have no problem taking months if not a year+ to give somebody this ostensible constitutional right.
Even worse, from what I understand they don't have to answer the appeal, ever!
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
where is that info the press released of all the PP owners in NY .. wounder if the judge and his wife have unrestricted ..
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
3 or 4 years.. i was one of the first people to get it that i know of. It was called sportsman before it was an official option, now they call it "sportsperson".
*Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D.C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56–64.*
FYI Dutchess allows you to mail in amendments. I’ve done it multiple times. Comes just as fast as hand delivering and saves a trip to Po’ town.
This state is so screwed up.
Its like we live in different countries instead of different counties in the same state.
Here in WNY everyone gets an unrestricted permit and to add a handgun to your permit takes 3 minutes and $3.
Just take receipt for firearm to pp office and they punch it in the computer....done. Bring green card to gun shop and take gun home.
We can purchase a gun and take it home in less than an hour. Faster if there is a gun shop closer to pp office.
And I will bet you have FAR more shootings and crime than our county.
Maybe take a look at your local crime blotter and find any innocent victims of violent crimes.
Have them write a few words about the day they were victimized.
Give that to the judge.
Its like we live in different countries instead of different counties in the same state.
Here in WNY everyone gets an unrestricted permit and to add a handgun to your permit takes 3 minutes and $3.
Just take receipt for firearm to pp office and they punch it in the computer....done. Bring green card to gun shop and take gun home.
We can purchase a gun and take it home in less than an hour. Faster if there is a gun shop closer to pp office.
And I will bet you have FAR more shootings and crime than our county.
Maybe take a look at your local crime blotter and find any innocent victims of violent crimes.
Have them write a few words about the day they were victimized.
Give that to the judge.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Do they mail you back your newly amended permit and then you have to send them your old one? My county says you can't have multiple copies of your permit.
Dutchess doesn’t ask for your old permit back. They send a new copy updated. I have all my prior versions filed away.
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Doc8404
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Same in Oneida County. Except for the first part. Most are restricted.
Both of our judges are extremely 2a friendly.
Our new sheriff is even more 2a friendly than the last one.
The last sheriff refused to follow the safe act and supported concealed carry.
Our new sheriff does the same.......enthusiastically!
Its like another world compared to other counties. But still full of NYS regulation.
Doc8404
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We have a new judge coming in. Will work with the outgoing for 2-3 years. I’m hoping he issues more unrestricted.
According to my attorney it been available for about 15 years.
It wasn't a choice when I first got my license.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
Shit it's Westchester County I think there's a stabbing / shooting / mugging every day
garyv350
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Raven20878
.38 Special
If you truly want to be able to carry a weapon to defend yourself and your family while hiking and camping, get yourself a Mossberg 590 Shockwave. It is small, lightweight and can put shot downrange in a much more efficient and effective way than a pistol if you are worried about bears, mountain lions or coyotes. I would much rather encounter a bear or coyote with a 12 gauge loaded with 6 shells of 00 buckshot and pump hell and fury at them then try to aim a 9 mm handgun at them. The Shockwave fits nicely in an over the shoulder scabbard or a backpack and is very easy to carry. If the camping site or park you are going to allows pistols (many do not in NY) then a Shockwave in a scabbard or backpack should be allowed as well. If there is some law against carrying a concealed shotgun, then use the scabbard slung over your shoulder and it is not concealed. You don't need a license to buy or own a Shockwave and they are perfectly legal in NY.
It is my conclusion that the reason Westchester took the Sportsperson amendment off the site and is now being very strict with granting it is that some folks were trying to justify it by talking about camping and hiking when their real intent was to have a much more "gray" restriction so they could carry all the time and if caught would just claim they were coming from or going to a "sportsperson" activity. I am not suggesting that was your intent, but if you really are concerned for safety while hiking and camping, get the Shockwave. Your target (or target/hunting) permit will more than suffice for owning pistols and actually firing them at a range (which in NY, unless you are hunting, is pretty much the only place you can discharge it), and keeping a pistol in your home for home defense. Although again, the Shockwave 590 is a great home defense weapon especially when mounted with a light and a laser and loaded with Federal Defense Shells.
It sucks, I agree, to be "denied" a constitutional right. But the legal ability for judges in Westchester to apply arbitrary criteria to place restrictions on your pistol permit has been upheld in several court cases. You are almost better off trying to justify a full carry as at least there, if you meet proper cause, you can indeed carry wherever it is not prohibited. Having a Sportsperson restriction in Westchester is not all that much different in practical terms than having a target/hunting permit. There are many on this site that would say since the restrictions are "extra legal", don't pay any mind to them. I personally, don't agree with that position as losing my permit and therefore my firearms is not a risk and expense I want to take no matter how unlikely. But I would never impose my own risk benefit assessments on others and if you choose to carry outside of your restrictions that is your decision.
My advice for what its worth is don't waste your time or money on trying to reverse the denial with lawyers and legal fees. Spend $450 on a Mossberg Shockwave and move on.
Disclaimer: I have no stock in Mossberg or any vested interest in the sale of Shockwaves!!!! I just think they are really cool and perfectly suited to the scenarios described above.
Justincase
.308 Win
I'd much rather have a pistol on my hip than try to fish a shotgun out of a backpack whilst being rushed by a wild animal. And you can legally discharge a pistol in all the same places you can legally discharge a long gun.
If we dont fight every single activist judge, these laws will not be changed.
I know several people who have won appeals with the same judge who denied their restriction amendment.
I believe there are a few on this site........from Westchester even.
You are wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. Also if the op takes your advice and doesn't contest his denial he will have to check off the box that askes if you have ever been denied a permit for the rest of his life.
Yeah, I'm one of those people.
And not carrying at all times because of an imaginary "law" could leave you dead. So if death outweighs the "they'll yank your permit" bogeyman nonsense then by all means, that's a choice you have to make for yourself.