Dumb things overheard at gun stores

[Xae289]

That drives me up a wall. I always start new shooters out with a 22LR and then work their way up based upon their comfort level and competency

So I took a friend and his wife to a CT range to shoot for the first time. They wanted to shoot handguns, so I figured a 9mm would be perfect. We rented a Glock 48. He did ok. I started her on some dry-fire, looked good. I load up the mag, she starts shooting, calmly drills out the bullseye with 5 shots into 1 hole at 3 yards, then says "ok, I'm done" and sets it down. She was perfectly fine physically but didn't like being behind the noise and flash and has no interest in ever shooting again. I'm never starting a new shooter on anything but a .22 LR again.

 

[ManualF150]

A couple years ago there was a couple that were getting taught how to shoot pistols. Well, the guy that was teaching, handed the guy a 44 mag to shoot and what happened was because of the recoil, the guy fired off two rounds. One kinda at the target, then one pretty much vertical. It was interesting because the guy shooting thought he only shot 1 round. But because of the inertia, he shot two. All I gotta say, was that was a shitty instructor...

 

[dwa12479]

That drives me up a wall. I always start new shooters out with a 22LR and then work their way up based upon their comfort level and competency

Precisely. Same here.

 

[stokes]

Well, not heard but something stupid I said, so I guess others heard it.Standing behind a guy at the counter of a local gun shop, he's talking to the salesman.Now keep in mind I am probably the only person on earth who never saw Star Wars, none of them.So I hear this guy talking and I poke my friend and say, "hey, this guy sounds like that guy from Star wars", I thought I said it quietly but I got the Irish whisper thing.The guy turns around and says, in his best "this is CNN" voice,"no shit"......it was James Earl Jones.We both cracked up,I tell him, sorry I never saw the movie, hes says neither have I.Turns out he's a big gun guy, he was picking up a handgun, while he was waiting for them to retrieve it for him another salesman showed him a couple more handguns, he bought them both.Ran into him a bunch of times over the next couple years at the same store.The owner said he was their top buyer.

 

[Justincase]

Well, not heard but something stupid I said, so I guess others heard it.Standing behind a guy at the counter of a local gun shop, he's talking to the salesman.Now keep in mind I am probably the only person on earth who never saw Star Wars, none of them.So I hear this guy talking and I poke my friend and say, "hey, this guy sounds like that guy from Star wars", I thought I said it quietly but I got the Irish whisper thing.The guy turns around and says, in his best "this is CNN" voice,"no shit"......it was James Earl Jones.We both cracked up,I tell him, sorry I never saw the movie, hes says neither have I.Turns out he's a big gun guy, he was picking up a handgun, while he was waiting for them to retrieve it for him another salesman showed him a couple more handguns, he bought them both.Ran into him a bunch of times over the next couple years at the same store.The owner said he was their top buyer.

That’s a fantastic story. Love JEJ

 

[Justincase]

A couple years ago there was a couple that were getting taught how to shoot pistols. Well, the guy that was teaching, handed the guy a 44 mag to shoot and what happened was because of the recoil, the guy fired off two rounds. One kinda at the target, then one pretty much vertical. It was interesting because the guy shooting thought he only shot 1 round. But because of the inertia, he shot two. All I gotta say, was that was a shitty instructor...

There was a video that was in the internet a long time ago and the same thing happened to a girl shooting for the first time except the second shot hit her square in the face. Frigging idiots

 

[stokes]

That’s a fantastic story. Love JEJ

Never thought much about him prior to that meeting.He's a real down to earth guy, very approachable.Every time I saw him after that he would always say hi and start a conversation.Loves his guns, not your typical hollywood lib.

 

[masterswimmer]

Well, not heard but something stupid I said, so I guess others heard it.Standing behind a guy at the counter of a local gun shop, he's talking to the salesman.Now keep in mind I am probably the only person on earth who never saw Star Wars, none of them.So I hear this guy talking and I poke my friend and say, "hey, this guy sounds like that guy from Star wars", I thought I said it quietly but I got the Irish whisper thing.The guy turns around and says, in his best "this is CNN" voice,"no shit"......it was James Earl Jones.We both cracked up,I tell him, sorry I never saw the movie, hes says neither have I.Turns out he's a big gun guy, he was picking up a handgun, while he was waiting for them to retrieve it for him another salesman showed him a couple more handguns, he bought them both.Ran into him a bunch of times over the next couple years at the same store.The owner said he was their top buyer.

I've never seen any of them either. A badge I proudly wear.

 

[Justincase]

I've never seen any of them either. A badge I proudly wear.

Both you guys are weirdos.

 

[masterswimmer]

Both you guys are weirdos.

A proud weirdo!

 

[stokes]

Not a sci fi fan.Some of the old kitschy 50's sci fi is cool, but the newer stuff dont do it for me.

 

[spat]

Sold guns for years, I have heard so much shit spoken, by customer and fellow salesman alike.

Remember, the people spewing this crap would be called "experts" if they were supporting the narrative of the week on the news.

Always take whatever the "experts" say with a grain of salt, and carefully filter it through a quality BS detector and disinfect it with a dose of common sense. This is true for any subject.

 

[spat]

Would confetti in an explosive cartridge work the same as a taser? I’d think no since taser shoot by compressed gas and not explosive powder, but there are smarter people than me. Also I can see it now the murders happen on windy days and cops are running around picking up every scrape they can find.

How Stun Guns Work

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They include taggants in high explosives that allow you to trace it back to a manufacturer and batch after an explosion.

If they can do it for TNT I don't think little varget will be a challenge.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

We've all seen those videos of people setting someone up to fail by giving them a far too powerful gun which will inevitably develop a dislike or fear of guns for you to get a laugh is pretty stupid. I never like those videos at all. I'm really surprised it's as common of a practice as it sounds. Not only is it a dick move it's dangerous as hell to give someone a gun they aren't expecting and to panic in fear or stress. After reading some replies in this thread its discouraging to hear.

 

[camper4lyfe]

A couple years ago there was a couple that were getting taught how to shoot pistols. Well, the guy that was teaching, handed the guy a 44 mag to shoot and what happened was because of the recoil, the guy fired off two rounds. One kinda at the target, then one pretty much vertical. It was interesting because the guy shooting thought he only shot 1 round. But because of the inertia, he shot two. All I gotta say, was that was a shitty instructor...

There’s actually stories of people shooting themselves in the exact same way. That second shot ends up right in their forehead.

 

[Tisto]

They include taggants in high explosives that allow you to trace it back to a manufacturer and batch after an explosion.

If they can do it for TNT I don't think little varget will be a challenge.

Actually, the BATFE experimented with putting taggents in smokeless powder several years ago. They did this so that they would have yet another tool for tracing the ammunition to it's source, and then to it's final end user. What was found is that taggents changed the burn characteristics of the powder to the point that it was no longer consistant and predictable. Coupled with the fact that each different type and each lot number of powder would need a different taggent, and in order to be used as a trace information source, an entire database of each ammunition type, caliber, and lot number would need to be developed, the idea was ultimately scrapped. Then there are the problems of reloaders using powders which don't generate information for the database. Very much like putting a serial number on each individual bullet, the idea is massively untenable. Keep in mind, smokeless gunpowder is NOT an explosive. It is a PROPELLANT.

 

[dwa12479]

There’s actually stories of people shooting themselves in the exact same way. That second shot ends up right in their forehead.

Here's one. Girl shooting a Desert Eagle. The front site hits her in the nose after the first shot. Slide is closed, so you know the next round is in the pipe.

 

[Michael]

Remember, the people spewing this crap would be called "experts" if they were supporting the narrative of the week on the news.

Always take whatever the "experts" say with a grain of salt, and carefully filter it through a quality BS detector and disinfect it with a dose of common sense. This is true for any subject.

My Dad has a saying about experts. The word expert is made up of two parts. "Ex" and "spurt." "Ex" is a has been and "spurt" is a drip under pressure. I have needed his advice and has done me well in my travels.

 

[camper4lyfe]

Here's one. Girl shooting a Desert Eagle. The front site hits her in the nose after the first shot. Slide is closed, so you know the next round is in the pipe.

It’s so scary, and it’s the exact reason why if I ever have a chance to shoot something like that, I only want it loaded with one round. I’d rather give myself a concussion than a frontal lobotomy.

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

My Dad has a saying about experts. The word expert is made up of two parts. "Ex" and "spurt." "Ex" is a has been and "spurt" is a drip under pressure. I have needed his advice and has done me well in my travels.

David Halbertsam has a book "The Best and The Brightest" about Kennedy's, and then Johnson's Cabinet and advisors, how they got us into Vietnam and because of their hubris wouldn't admit they were wrong and get us out. They knew they were wrong when US casualties were about 8,000 of the eventual 58,000 troops were killed.

 

[spat]

Actually, the BATFE experimented with putting taggents in smokeless powder several years ago. They did this so that they would have yet another tool for tracing the ammunition to it's source, and then to it's final end user. What was found is that taggents changed the burn characteristics of the powder to the point that it was no longer consistant and predictable. Coupled with the fact that each different type and each lot number of powder would need a different taggent, and in order to be used as a trace information source, an entire database of each ammunition type, caliber, and lot number would need to be developed, the idea was ultimately scrapped. Then there are the problems of reloaders using powders which don't generate information for the database. Very much like putting a serial number on each individual bullet, the idea is massively untenable. Keep in mind, smokeless gunpowder is NOT an explosive. It is a PROPELLANT.

Yes, but the problem was administrative not technical.

You *can* tag ammunition that way. Keeping track of *trillions* of tags is not practical, and it wouldn't be useful if you could.

Like universal background checks and ammo databases, the entire enterprise would be a facade to justify a registry of gun owners. There would be no utility in stopping or solving crime.

 

[Saltwater60]

That’s a fantastic story. Love JEJ

I hear he’s a nice guy too. That’s a cool story.

 

[Saltwater60]

Here's one. Girl shooting a Desert Eagle. The front site hits her in the nose after the first shot. Slide is closed, so you know the next round is in the pipe.

She looks like a crack whore. Also what likely saved her life is it appears her finger was off the trigger.

 

[Saltwater60]

Not at a gun store, but go figure Alec Baldwin partially cocked the hammer in an old colt revolver and released the hammer and the gun shot. Isn’t this normal? The DA is surprised?

DA's Informal Experiment Could Corroborate Alec Baldwin's Claim He Didn't Pull Trigger in 'Rust' Shooting

An informal experiment conducted by a prosecutor reportedly found that Alec Baldwin's claim he didn't pull the trigger isn't far-fetched.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[spat]

Not at a gun store, but go figure Alec Baldwin partially cocked the hammer in an old colt revolver and released the hammer and the gun shot. Isn’t this normal? The DA is surprised?

DA's Informal Experiment Could Corroborate Alec Baldwin's Claim He Didn't Pull Trigger in 'Rust' Shooting

An informal experiment conducted by a prosecutor reportedly found that Alec Baldwin's claim he didn't pull the trigger isn't far-fetched.

www.rollingstone.com

The phrase "Don't go off half cocked" is a thing for a reason.

A gun at half cock can't be relied on to go bang when you pull the trigger, but it can't be relied on not to either.

It basically means you have put the gun in an ill defined state of being able to discharge by accident, but not necessarily able to if you need it to.

I think "half cocked" is an excellent description of most of the Hollywood activist class.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Not at a gun store, but go figure Alec Baldwin partially cocked the hammer in an old colt revolver and released the hammer and the gun shot. Isn’t this normal? The DA is surprised?

DA's Informal Experiment Could Corroborate Alec Baldwin's Claim He Didn't Pull Trigger in 'Rust' Shooting

An informal experiment conducted by a prosecutor reportedly found that Alec Baldwin's claim he didn't pull the trigger isn't far-fetched.

www.rollingstone.com

"Half cock" is a notch in the hammer that free's up the cylinder for loading. It should not be used as a "safety". You can knock the hammer out of half cock by hitting it and there is enough spring tension behind the hammer to cause a discharge. Also the way single actions work, to de-cock the hammer or get it out of half cock, you have to cock the hammer to full cock, pull the trigger with your thumb still on the hammer and gently set the hammer down (preferably on an empty chamber). If Baldwin tried to de-cock the hammer and his thumb slipped, the hammer would fall and discharge the pistol.

 

[Tisto]

Yes, but the problem was administrative not technical.

You *can* tag ammunition that way. Keeping track of *trillions* of tags is not practical, and it wouldn't be useful if you could.

Like universal background checks and ammo databases, the entire enterprise would be a facade to justify a registry of gun owners. There would be no utility in stopping or solving crime.

The problems were both, as I recall. When this was being proposed, roughly 30 years ago now, the ATF wasn't really a politically motivated agency, and it's directors didn't have their heads up their asses nearly as far as they do now. Back then, there was some common sense and ability to reason. They scrapped the idea because it wasn't feasible on multiple levels. If it was suggested today, it would be hailed as a great idea simply because of the political aspects of it, constitutionality and actual usefulness of it be damned.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

“ is this accurate “

 

[FP1201]

We've all seen those videos of people setting someone up to fail by giving them a far too powerful gun which will inevitably develop a dislike or fear of guns for you to get a laugh is pretty stupid. I never like those videos at all. I'm really surprised it's as common of a practice as it sounds. Not only is it a dick move it's dangerous as hell to give someone a gun they aren't expecting and to panic in fear or stress. After reading some replies in this thread its discouraging to hear.

Only once have I done this, but before hand it was carefully explained that the .500 S&W was probably the most Powerful Revolver in the world, that it has a wicked flash and hefty recoil and certainly not a Beginners gun, and after we all fired a few rounds let my BIL try it as HE wanted to and WE tried to discourage it, but he fired it without incident and he was happy for doing so....Observing others, being warned, and offering a non-judgemental way out was how we rolled, otherwise a Simple .22 Revolver or Pistol is the best way to introduce and train new handgun shooters, for Rifle I sincerely recommend one of the "Cricket" (or similar) small dimension single shot .22's for people of smaller stature, and the venerable single-shot .410 or .28 gauge for Shotgun....

 

[Tisto]

If you think that the atf wasn't politically motivated until recently. Well you probably think the NRA is pro 2A

Did I say that ? Perhaps you should read it again.