freddy
.308 Win
He has plenty of fresh food and protection from the neighboring farmer's family that receives medical/dental work. He has no need for your ammo or expired MREs.
During the Collapse): Part 1 – The Unprepared Neighbor
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not necessarily. I wouldn't feed an unprepared dentist from my stores because he's a dentist. If rather pull my own tooth than take food away from my family to feed his.
freddy
.308 Win
You will change your mind after you witness a family member have an extraction that is unanesthetized.
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
So all you buy is toilet paper? What about food? Water? Ammo? Booze? Medical supplies? Gasoline/diesel?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You have too much faith in people. I don't. If something bad happens like an EMP or Nuclear Holocaust where there isn't law for years, people will kill each other for a can of beans. 90 percent of the people will be unprepared. Most houses have only 2 weeks worth of food if that. 3 days more likely before they start eating ketchup for dinner. Even Farmers houses. His machines would run out of gas. He'd only have enough for himself. Once the crop runs dry or spoils, that's it. His farm turns into a garden the size of a football field. His pantries would be bare unless he was a pepper himself. Gangs of real thugs from the streets would take his stuff if the military and police didn't already.
You can't rely on getting things later. You need to rely on having things now. You need to learn how to live off the land to supplement what you hoarded. Only those that live far, far, away from civilization would survive.
You might see towns and small communities banding together at first but eventually when their local supermarket that they are protecting runs out, they'll turn on one another.
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So will ammunition and food
those will be the top 3 currency’s for trade
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
My main concern right now is non perishable foods and ammo. Water runs out fast so I don't stock much of it. It can be procured later.
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Like I said previously, there's no reason not to accumulate PM as well.
Will, it's all well and good, and insightful to prepare for a SHTF scenario, but to ignore the fact that a future that doesn't include a SHTF situation is a distinct possibility is narrow in thought. Accumulating gold/silver for investment purposes in addition to its possible value in a SHTF situation is also prepping....... for a good future. It's part of diversification.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I agree with you if you have the essentials. Most people don't. They have a few months worth of things but waste their money on gold. Get a few years work of non perishables and tools first. You need to have enough to get you through the lawlessness before the gold is worth anything.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I know most of my neighbors would be my enemy...I've seen their election-year lawn signs.
The only neighbor I'd consider an alliance with is across the street. He had all of the same lawn signs that I had.
swilliams
6.5 Creedmoor
This brings up another good point. How many of us have anesthetics? The potent stuff would be great, but even the over-the-counter things like Anbesol should be considered. I have a prescription tube of Lidocaine that I got when I had to get a tick out of my daughter's scalp. We used it most recently on burns. I'd love to have a few tubes of that in the stash. Wish I could get codeine, too.
Wow, very insightful. Many don't look at these types of behaviors. I am being very serious, too many do not look deep enough as to who and what lives around them. Voter signs are a great way to tell, up front, whom to associate with during bad and evil times!
As for all of the talk of who is right or wrong in regards to stockpiles and supplies...
As long as one is not completely closed minded, all is correct.
Like @Willjr75 , his level of able spending money may not be as much as he wants/needs; he uses his funding as wisely as he sees fit. Food, water, protection. Once that stock pile is great enough for his standards, maybe he will branch his resources elsewhere.
A dentist was mentioned; do not take away services that another can offer. I have had some really good training in the department of medical care. Barely scratches the surface of real medical knowledge.
Not everyone is an expert in everything!
As long as one is not completely closed minded, all is correct.
Like @Willjr75 , his level of able spending money may not be as much as he wants/needs; he uses his funding as wisely as he sees fit. Food, water, protection. Once that stock pile is great enough for his standards, maybe he will branch his resources elsewhere.
A dentist was mentioned; do not take away services that another can offer. I have had some really good training in the department of medical care. Barely scratches the surface of real medical knowledge.
Not everyone is an expert in everything!
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Bingo.
I'm no strategist. But, certain skills are useful in a SHTF situation. Numbers are important, too. After all, a critical mass of defenders (read: trusted people) are required to stand against other groups.
I've always felt that after the SHTF, things that will initially have value will be: Food, water, fuel, transportation, firearms, and ammunition. Later on, skills that can be traded for the aforementioned hard assets will have value. Barter will be the name of the game once fiat currencies have passed.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I think GP and Phazer summed it up perfectly.
Is not that bad...
Dogs need to eat too!
freddy
.308 Win
Anbesol, too funny. Full strength injectable Lidocaine is available online. Get it powdered (not in solution) for long shelf life. Make certain you know how to use it properly. Tooth extraction kits also available.
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freddy
.308 Win
Bootlicker!
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Good question.
OPSEC
In all the TEOTWAWKI shows, don't the protagonists break into hospitals and veterinarian offices to get them? I'm not advocating breaking and entering but I suppose some horse tranquilizer would be easier to get than morphine (I may be wrong though).
freddy
.308 Win
Poppy seeds.
Problem solved.
Antibiotics, on the other hand...
Problem solved.
Antibiotics, on the other hand...
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yep and pet stores too for antibiotics. Fish antibiotic are the same as the human ones. They just aren't FDA approved because the FDA doesn't deal with approving medicine for animals. But it's the same shit!