Duty to inform laws?

[Ma Deuce]

My day job is: pissing people off for no apparent reason. Today is Easter in an empty nester home so I am being a nice guy for the next 24 hours. LMAO

Usually the people that piss me off are the ones that are too nice for no apparent reason.

 

[4excal]

Usually the people that piss me off are the ones that are too nice for no apparent reason.

Good, I'll have no problems with pissing you off then.

 

[dsdmmat]

Usually the people that piss me off are the ones that are too nice for no apparent reason.

Whatever it takes!

 

[GOYABEAN]

@Doc8404 offically even ratio....for now. Ahhhhh. I can go start my day now.

Go catch some fish already

 

[GOYABEAN]

@Ma Deuce welcome aboard

 

[4excal]

Go catch some fish already

Meh. I'm gonna go through withdrawals today..no fishing.. I Gotta go the to future Governors house for Easter day.

 

[Exonautic]

Yah dont feel so bad. I went through the same shit with them thinking i was some sort of fucking sleeper on the old forum. Tends to be the case when you ask a loaded first question.

 

[Podmonkey]

Weird first post.

Its a useful and relevant question. While NY may not have a duty to inform, nor does PA I belive, some states do. I think Mr. Ayoob's advice to present your CCW license along with your drivers license is a nice, subtle and passive way to handle it.

 

[Bananabandit]

Sure, I go to bed and hes accepted with open arms. For shame!

 

[Bananabandit]

Is that an NAA in .22 Short? <3

Yep

 

[Podmonkey]

Sure, I go to bed and hes accepted with open arms. For shame!

That's because you're a loon.

 

[GOPerfect]

I like the direction this thread took.

Kind of wish it would have stayed on point and the OP discussion continued.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Bananabandit]

That's because you're a loon.

Wow. That judgement though. I'll remember that.

 

[Podmonkey]

Kind of wish it would have stayed on point and the OP discussion continued.

What do you think is the safest, lowest stress way to inform? What is the best way to appear as non threatening to LE as possible while legally armed?

 

[GOPerfect]

What do you think is the safest, lowest stress way to inform? What is the best way to appear as non threatening to LE as possible while legally armed?

I think it all depends on the situation. Even with what I do for a living, I will not mention to the Purple ties that I am armed.

Prior to my career change, if I thought it wouldn't hurt, I would hand over my permit the same time as my DL. Much of that changed after the SAFE Act, seems like a lifetime ago. I used to inform all the time. Sometimes it actually helped with the traffic stop.

If one feels the need to let the officer know, I would suggest either hand the permit the same time as the DL, or, with hands still on the steering wheel, look at the officer and say something like "Officer, just wanted to let you know, I am armed and my gun is located ....". I would suggest that you do not blurt out to the Officer "I have a gun". Could be taken the wrong way.

In today's day and age, I would just not say anything unless asked about it or asked to step out of the car.

 

[Different Drummer]

Thanks!
It was starting to seem like everyone was really mad I didn't introduce myself.

There are a couple of other firearm related forums that I visit where you will be resoundingly chastised for not first visiting the introduction area of the forum. You will be asked to go to the introduction area before continuing to post. I have seen where people will not even acknowledge your thread until after you do the introduction thing.
I kind of laugh when I see this happen. I don't have a problem with the introduction thing, but I never could understand why some people have to make such a big deal over it. Just some information for you should you sign up as a new member on other forums.

 

[Podmonkey]

This forum should be about information, and I suppose showing off and bragging too, first and foremost. I personally don't care about anything other than gun talk. so to @Ma Deuce, good topic, keep em coming. Maybe post in the long gun/handgun pic threads next? That's as good an introduction as any.

 

[Different Drummer]

It has been ruled in a NY court that the police cannot ask you if you are armed on a routine traffic stop for a traffic violation unless they suspect you of a crime.

So they cannot ask you if all you got pulled over for was for rolling a stop sign unless they suspect you of something else. You also do not have a duty to inform.

Cops Can't Just Ask Motorists About Guns: NY Court

Thanks for posting the link.
"The court majority said police cannot, simply as a protective measure, routinely ask the occupants of a vehicle about weapons, though under established case law officers can tell motorists to get out in order to get a better look at them"

This would seem to be in conflict with what I am pretty sure is the stance taken by some of our LEO members in past threads that included this subject.
Seems I have heard quite frequently that the LEO does in fact have quite a bit of latitude in what they are allowed to ask and do to insure their personal safety.

 

[HighlandLofts]

Why is it such a big deal that this is my first post? I didn't realize so many people were going to bitch because I asked a question.

There are anti-gun trolls that get on to these gun forums to get information to use in their anti-gun agenda, that's why some are reacting the way they do.

Your first post was right to the point, so I see no big deal with it. Some don't see it that way, so be it. Just carry on and become familiar with the forum and be part of the crowd.

A nice stainless Ruger Single-Six 22lr/22mag would love to be a part of your collection.

 

[HighlandLofts]

I have been stopped a few times in my personal car and more often when I was driving my assigned government vehicle. It was a rare occurrence for a cop to ask me if I was armed. After retirement, and thus since I have had a license to carry, not one cop has asked me if I was armed. I doubt they know beforehand. If I stopped you and knew before the actual stop you were licensed to carry, you can bet your sweet ass I would ask if you were armed and I am guessing so would others in LE. That they do not ask probably means they do not know you ae armed or have a permit. Now, I think there are states in which pistol license info is put into the system and it comes up when a driver's license query is run but I am not sure if NY is one of them. I think MD is one.

Last time I was pulled over it was near Roscoe, NY. The officer, a county one as I recall, told me the bulbs over my license plate were out and that was the reason he had stopped me. I was not speeding, not swerving and not doing anything illegal. I informed him I was armed while both my hands were resting atop steering wheel and open. I virtually always do so in such an encounter. Bottom line, he said have a nice night and let me drive on. I checked the lights later - they worked. I brought it to my mechanic, he checked the lights - they worked and he could not find a short that would make them go on and off. Apparently the officer was lying to me about why he stopped me. No big deal. For all I know, he could have stopped me because my vehicle fit the description of a wanted person's car and he did not want to alert me if I was the bad guy. I am guessing though he stopped me because of the sticker next to my rear plate - the Unorganized Militia sticker. Even then, he did not ask if I was armed, I told him.

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A few years ago one of my sons was stopped for a light being out by a Broome County Sheriff Deputy, when the Deputy approached the drivers side window he said "Good Evening Mister #$^()&^$$^&, are carrying your Glock or your Kimber". He said he had his Kimber and that was the end of the gun talk, it then went on to his tail light being out.
So there is some thing in the system for them to know whats going on.

 

[Doc8404]

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A few years ago one of my sons was stopped for a light being out by a Broome County Sheriff Deputy, when the Deputy approached the drivers side window he said "Good Evening Mister #$^()&^$$^&, are carrying your Glock or your Kimber". He said he had his Kimber and that was the end of the gun talk, it then went on to his tail light being out.
So there is some thing in the system for them to know whats going on.

"Neither deputy. My Uzi"

 

[Uzi]

I'd prefer to practice my right to keep my information to myself when legal and applicable. I'll go even further to state that practicing your individual rights that we still have left especially in NYS is crucial to avoiding continued stringent illegal restrictions and laws forced down our throats. There is a time and place to notify for your own safety, however keeping your mouth shut is almost always the best option. Don't feel like you owe the police information that they don't need, especially for a silly traffic violation or something.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I'd prefer to practice my right to keep my information to myself when legal and applicable. I'll go even further to state that practicing your individual rights that we still have left especially in NYS is crucial to avoiding continued stringent illegal restrictions and laws forced down our throats. There is a time and place to notify for your own safety, however keeping your mouth shut is almost always the best option. Don't feel like you owe the police information that they don't need, especially for a silly traffic violation or something.

All you are doing by informing when you do not have to is introducing another factor into the equation that could go against you.

Just shut your mouth and accept your ticket. Your goal is to go home at night rather than being disarmed by the one anti gun cop out of ten who feels you shouldn't be carrying.

 

[Glenn B]

I'd prefer to practice my right to keep my information to myself when legal and applicable. I'll go even further to state that practicing your individual rights that we still have left especially in NYS is crucial to avoiding continued stringent illegal restrictions and laws forced down our throats. There is a time and place to notify for your own safety, however keeping your mouth shut is almost always the best option. Don't feel like you owe the police information that they don't need, especially for a silly traffic violation or something.

My rights also include free speech. If I choose to inform that is my business but business I readily explain so let me tell you why I inform. I choose to do so because that is what I was trained to do in 32 years as a LE Officer. As opposed to what some folks almost undoubtedly will say or at least think, we in LE were taught to inform not to get out of a ticket but to assure we did not get shot when an officer was stopping us. Who can tell why they are being stopped! You may think it is because you were speeding but the fact may be you are being pulled over in connection to a felony that was committed by someone fitting your description all unbeknownst to you and the officer is not about to blab that to you. There was also the factor of reaching to get the registration out of the glove box and a pistol being exposed when doing so. Those things could make a rookie or even a seasoned old timer more than nervous and cause an itch in the trigger finger. Me disclosing to a LE officer that I am armed is a safety issue plain and simple. Thus, I do it whether or not required to by some bogus antigun law. I believe it helps prevent me from becoming the next statistic in the list of bad or at least questionable police shootings. I find it quite the prudent thing to do.

 

[Marine Cpl]

My rights also include free speech. If I choose to inform that is my business but business I readily explain so let me tell you why I inform. I choose to do so because that is what I was trained to do in 32 years as a LE Officer. As opposed to what some folks almost undoubtedly will say or at least think, we in LE were taught to inform not to get out of a ticket but to assure we did not get shot when an officer was stopping us. Who can tell why they are being stopped! You may think it is because you were speeding but the fact may be you are being pulled over in connection to a felony that was committed by someone fitting your description all unbeknownst to you and the officer is not about to blab that to you. There was also the factor of reaching to get the registration out of the glove box and a pistol being exposed when doing so. Those things could make a rookie or even a seasoned old timer more than nervous and cause an itch in the trigger finger. Me disclosing to a LE officer that I am armed is a safety issue plain and simple. Thus, I do it whether or not required to by some bogus antigun law. I believe it helps prevent me from becoming the next statistic in the list of bad or at least questionable police shootings. I find it quite the prudent thing to do.

I don't because it's concealed on my hip. He cannot see it to get spooked. If I'm ever ordered out of the vehicle, then I will do so otherwise, I prefer not to introduce another variable into the equation.

 

[Jmac00]

last time I got a 1180D on the thruway was in my wifes Subadoo, it was loaded with rifle cases and camping gear. The nice trooper walked up to the passenger side, tapped on the window, when I rolled down the window he said "in a hurry to go hunting" I said yes sir, he said Where ya headed, I said Up near A-Bay.~~~we then had a 20 minute conversation on hunting the Adirondacks and what is the best gun for deer.....I was actually beginning to think I was talking my way out of a ticket....stupid me

oh well, he was a really nice guy freak'n ticket cost me $180 though

 

[kev74]

I got pulled over for the first time in 7 or 8 years yesterday on the way home from the range. The cop got me doing 47 in a 30 (oops!).

When he asked me for my license, I told him that my license and my pistol permit were in my wallet, and that I had one on my hip. He responded that he knows where he's going when he dies and wasn't concerned.

After calling in my info, he gave me back my license and registration and asked what kind of motorcycle I ride. We talked for a bit and I was on my way - and no ticket.

I agree its none of his business if I'm carrying, but I'd prefer not to cause any surprises on the side of the road.


Sorry to bring things back on topic.

 

[Justincase]

I think when this came up last time on the old forum, the consensus, well what could have been deemed a consensus, was that NOBODY who informed straight away suffered any negative repercussions as a result. Good enough for me. I'm not going to play the "it's none of their frigging business" game. Cuz in the end, I'd rather they didn't give me "the business" cuz I didn't inform.

 

[Darth]

"Don't talk to the cops" still works for me.