SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
Watched the whole thing. God bless'em
"Ghost guns" A-9903A amended ( merged with senate ghost gun thread)
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SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
I've seen this coming for a long time.
In their eyes, ANYONE who owns a firearm is considered both a public safety and ideological threat.
Saddle up. It's going to be a long ride.
In their eyes, ANYONE who owns a firearm is considered both a public safety and ideological threat.
Saddle up. It's going to be a long ride.
PutnamCharlie
6.5 Creedmoor
Anything is better than FUAC at this point. I cant believe with all the gun owners in this state that we can't vote this PRICK out.
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
do yoh see the amount of queerosexuals in high heels in NYC? dont forget them good ol jailboyz strutting down main street now.
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
You spelled "Dirt Star" wrong.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Well, At least the 2 circus is majority conservative now. Maybe that will help stop these laws.
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
THAT bothers them. Trump IS stacking the courts.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
If we are all in jail, or felons without voting rights, what difference does it make.
Robin
Robin
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
I don't see that as a realistic outlook. 1.9 million ppl in jail.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Good stuff. I have to ask though, are these addresses actual press conferences with an audience or are they just set up to look like it?
Target
6.5 Creedmoor
I don't think that we're interested in complying with the BS bill, more like griping and pointing out flaws and the vagueness of it.
John Stark
.44 mag
Nonsense. That is actually the same reaction on the other forum that we had when UnSafe passed, a squinting of the eyes and a wracking of the brain to figure out "what is now legal?" And after that, acceptance and compliance.
There is NO righteous or logical basis for law in this country whatsoever, let alone in New Yorkistan. It is fiat law with no basis in the Constitution, no consideration for what is right or wrong, no real common sense. It is fiat law to go along with our fiat money.
Trying to figure out what the law means is pointless, because they're going to cram more and more down our throats until they choke us so to death, or we do it to them.
This is nothing more than extension of the Federal blueprint that was the game plan for a nation-wide ban on semis, mags, and so on after Sandy Hook, the game plan during Sandy Hook under Obama. However, they couldn't get it passed in the US Senate at that time. So, they shifted gears and ran the game at the state level where they were sure they could make it stick, leftist liberal states like NY, CA, CT, etc. UnSafe is almost the exact blueprint that was written as Federal law but they couldn't get passed. I have the file on my hard drive still to this day.
Trump is a speed bump in that game plan for them, and nothing more. Now that the Dems control NY lock stock and barrel, we have no rights here at all. None. See: Red Flags
And its the exact same game plan they're running on Virginia in their upcoming legislative session. Northam and his scum could care less about the repercussions politically for them in Virginia or nationally, because they are following the plan and finishing "the long march through our institutions."
Just like Obamacare, they don't give a shit whether anyone likes it. They get power, and they do everything they can to ruin this country as much as possible. And then they fight like hell to make sure we never, ever roll back any Infringment on any of our Rights.
So everyone can keep picking at the new bullshit laws they come up with and try to figure them out, wasting time, and we'll all be disarmed felons before they are done.
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kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
But they'll give us Mets tickets when we show up to court, and gift cards and Obama phones when we get out of jail. So there's that.
But you had a plan John Stark and we’re still waiting to see it take effect. I remember your post clearly, as do you.
John Stark
.44 mag
I never once stated that I had a plan that was going to "take effect". I stated that I had a sound legal strategy to attack UnSafe if people got behind it, and that I was going to propose it. I opted not to.
In fact, I have 3 avenues of legal attack against UnSafe; two of them are very sound and would be serious enough to maybe get some attention in the courts, if there was a single court in NY, Federal or State, that would allow it, let alone rule in our favor. One of my legal strategies is far less sound and sketchy, and not something I would likely attempt in a gun-friendly state let alone in this shithole.
However, any one of these three would take money and real backing from supporters of the Second Amendment. The Heller decision cost $6 million for legal fees and filings, and many years of Mr. Heller's life.
I do not have that kind of backing or support, and I'm not dumb enough to seek it where it won't be found, or disclose it to my enemies. I made that mistake in the past on the old forums, and I do try to learn from my mistakes.
We're beyond the courts now anyways, as should be obvious given what is going on in this country on a daily basis.
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
Onondaga County voted majority Blue in the last gubernatorial election.
So, I'm not surprised.
So, I'm not surprised.
John Stark
.44 mag
I'm now hearing that magazines are on the list for serialization as well.
Forcing NYers to serialize all "major" gun components at a "qualified gunsmith" (read: one that keeps records) is nothing more than a full-on assault against the people of this state (who used to be American citizens) in an attempt to get then to register their arms under threat of felony arrest, trial, and convictions, and an outright attempt to regulate the interstate commerce of manufacturers and dealers in arms to the point that they will no longer sell product in NY. Forcing any "part" to be shipped to an FFL where a "qualified gunsmith" will have to serialize them is a broadside against NY gun owners, and will be a total cluster fark.
Registration is confiscation.
Refusing to allow NYers to engage in lawful commerce, particularly when that touches upon a well defined and very broad guaranteed Constitutional Right is sedition at least, an egregious violation of our rights and the rights of American citizens in other states, and completely illegal.
NYers figured out the Unsafe Act schtick and came up with many ways to build "compliant" arms and otherwise work around the "law" so they could defy King George with a big FUAC, and with hope for relief from the so-called "courts of JustUs."
Well, they've clearly read the gun forums and other sites that talking about building arms that get around UnSafe by making "compliant" weapons and stashing "parts" to be dug up out of the ground if/when the plebes on the leftist plantation get "uppity," and are now upping the anty.
King George heard our lamentably pathetic FU, and has responded with, "Let them eat this cake."
The only silver lining in the UnSafe debacle was the fact that almost no one in NY registered, because they innovated by buying parts to stay off the plantation. If this crap passes, the repercussions are likely beyond anything I can think of at the moment beyond what I've briefly posted here or had time to consider.
Forcing NYers to serialize all "major" gun components at a "qualified gunsmith" (read: one that keeps records) is nothing more than a full-on assault against the people of this state (who used to be American citizens) in an attempt to get then to register their arms under threat of felony arrest, trial, and convictions, and an outright attempt to regulate the interstate commerce of manufacturers and dealers in arms to the point that they will no longer sell product in NY. Forcing any "part" to be shipped to an FFL where a "qualified gunsmith" will have to serialize them is a broadside against NY gun owners, and will be a total cluster fark.
Registration is confiscation.
Refusing to allow NYers to engage in lawful commerce, particularly when that touches upon a well defined and very broad guaranteed Constitutional Right is sedition at least, an egregious violation of our rights and the rights of American citizens in other states, and completely illegal.
NYers figured out the Unsafe Act schtick and came up with many ways to build "compliant" arms and otherwise work around the "law" so they could defy King George with a big FUAC, and with hope for relief from the so-called "courts of JustUs."
Well, they've clearly read the gun forums and other sites that talking about building arms that get around UnSafe by making "compliant" weapons and stashing "parts" to be dug up out of the ground if/when the plebes on the leftist plantation get "uppity," and are now upping the anty.
King George heard our lamentably pathetic FU, and has responded with, "Let them eat this cake."
The only silver lining in the UnSafe debacle was the fact that almost no one in NY registered, because they innovated by buying parts to stay off the plantation. If this crap passes, the repercussions are likely beyond anything I can think of at the moment beyond what I've briefly posted here or had time to consider.
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This shouldn't surprise anyone.
They are obsessively thinking of ways to control us and limit our freedoms.
This state sucks. Liberal thinking sucks.
You have 2 options and I'm not sure which is preferred or more sustainable.
1- move to a free state and hope it stays free
2- go Galt and hope the collapse and reset happens sooner than later. This country is tearing itself apart and its inevitable to happen.
They are obsessively thinking of ways to control us and limit our freedoms.
This state sucks. Liberal thinking sucks.
You have 2 options and I'm not sure which is preferred or more sustainable.
1- move to a free state and hope it stays free
2- go Galt and hope the collapse and reset happens sooner than later. This country is tearing itself apart and its inevitable to happen.
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SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
Not to mention, divert attention away from the sinking fiscal ship
96coal449
.308 Win
What rally sucks is the consideration of moving from one's home state. Born and raised .....
For the ultimate sake of freedom.
The only consideration should be for warmer weather.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
If this were to pass it would be incredibly burdensome. I can't see how it could possibly pass muster on that fact alone. Mandating every gun owner retroactively have all their parts and magazines serialized by a gunsmith is completely unreasonable.
This goes above and way beyond being unreasonable. It's not even feasable
This goes above and way beyond being unreasonable. It's not even feasable
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carpediem
.338 Win Mag
Exactly the reasons it will cruise right through and Monkeyface will sign it. Making firearms ownership unaffordable and mired in a quicksand of incomprehensible rules and regulations is the new gun control.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I've said it before and I will say it again. All these proposed laws regardless of whether or not they become law, clearly amount to persecution. We are being persecuted and descriminated with all of this. Most of these laws do nothimg but make it harder and harder to be law abiding. They are continually trying to deprive us of not only liberty but property. We as gun owners, have been put into a group and we are being persecuted.
96coal449
.308 Win
ManrisFrack
.223 Rem
I would bet that's 10s of millions of parts. If you include mags, it'll clear 50 million.
If this happens, I'm getting an 07 and a three axis laser. $10 per part - that's the NYGF special discount rate.
If this happens, I'm getting an 07 and a three axis laser. $10 per part - that's the NYGF special discount rate.
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
I can easily see gunsmiths saying, "I don't think that configuration is SAFE-compliant. I understand YOU think that it is compliant with the letter of the law. But, I'm not comfortable taking responsibility for serializing your home made rifle."
John Stark
.44 mag
Way more than that if we're talking existing guns. There are probably about 6 million "legal" handguns in NY, maybe as many as 10-12 million, lawfully "permitted" by the NY fascists to the plebes.
If we count pistol frames, slides, barrels, and mags (or cylinders for wheel guns), that's 3 parts each x 6,000,000 just for pistol permit holders (i.e., minus the frames that are already serialized on existing handguns). Rifles/shotguns are multiples of 10s of millions more, given how many parts could "easily" be serialized.
NY cannot decide that only new guns had to have all parts serialized, as there would be a crap ton of guns in this state that would be grandfathered, and the entire purpose of such a law would remain completely undermined. There would be no way to know which parts were on any given weapon before or after the law, unless they tried to rely on sale records. I simply don't see how any weapon existing in NY could be grandfathered and leave a new law require serialization is feasible for the tyrants.
Oddly enough, NY AG bimbo sent cease and desist letters to a lot of out-of-state 80% manufacturers demanding they stop selling to NY, with demands and threats for business records. Make of that what you will.
ETA: Edited for grammer, spelling, and lack of coffee
Sorry but "What you're hearing" isn't going to get me riled up unless I see it on paper.
Qualification: I hate all these laws.
BUT every time a new proposal comes out we hear wild guesses, assumptions and rumors without fail.
Qualification: I hate all these laws.
BUT every time a new proposal comes out we hear wild guesses, assumptions and rumors without fail.
ManrisFrack
.223 Rem
And it's often John Stark reporting them... and then he falls off the radar until the bullshit in Albany gets hot again. Not sure what to make of it, but the pattern isn't lost on me.
@thewheels
.308 Win
Maybe I'm missing something but I'm sure there's plenty of NYers who will have little choice but to comply.
If the FFl can't/won't get it or the company won't ship it directly to your door based on your address, your kinda SOL.
Obviously, The folks that can plan ahead and drive out of state to purchase all their non serialized parts have a choice in the matter as well as anyone that has family/friends in other states willing to buy and ship. Otherwise, we're back to SOL.