How can NY Gun Owners of different backgrounds and priorities better advance gun rights?

[Marine Cpl]

At the request of @BoruchYaakov , here is a thread asking the question...

How can NY Gun Owners of different backgrounds and priorities better advance gun rights?

 

[GOPerfect]

Different backgrounds do not, nor should play into a Right.

Our Rights are not based upon different types of groups.

 

[GOPerfect]

Seriously, I think one of the biggest issues we face in America are labels.

Everyone wants a label.

In the US, for example, we call a Black man, an African American.

In Germany, that same black man would be called a German.

Stop the identity politics and life gets better.

 

[carpediem]

There are two legitimate labels, alive or dead. Those are all we should recognize in the discussion of our rights.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It unfortunately is a problem though because politics is used for gun grabbing and it specifically targets different backgrounds. One party who wants to cater to LGBT for example will do so while introducing legislation to erode 2nd Amendment rights.

The only way to stop it if for gun owners to unilaterally vote in candidates that are against gutting the 2A no matter if they are against their group or against another issue they are interested in.

I’ll never happen here.

 

[carpediem]

Identity politics is too deeply entrenched to be gotten rid of in the blink of an eye. It is adored by the social justice crowd on the left. It will take time to be rooted out.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Many gun owners are gay. They will vote in Democrats regardless who are against gun owners to further their cause. This is evidenced in that Liberal Gun Club forum.

I blame the Republican Party as well. They need to drop the whole religion thing if they ever want to survive. Republicanism should only focus on fiscal issues and rights. Not just gun rights but all constitutional rights.

 

[GOPerfect]

Many gun owners are gay. They will vote in Democrats regardless who are against gun owners to further their cause. This is evidenced in that Liberal Gun Club forum.

I blame the Republican Party as well. They need to drop the whole religion thing if they ever want to survive. Republicanism should only focus on fiscal issues and rights. Not just gun rights but all constitutional rights.

Have faith in whatever god you wish, as a political person, do not wear it on your sleeve.

 

[ExMember_4526]

It unfortunately is a problem though because politics is used for gun grabbing and it specifically targets different backgrounds. One party who wants to cater to LGBT for example will do so while introducing legislation to erode 2nd Amendment rights.

The only way to stop it if for gun owners to unilaterally vote in candidates that are against gutting the 2A no matter if they are against their group or against another issue they are interested in.

I’ll never happen here.

Yes, well said. I feel that “Gun Rights” should be put in the perspective of “defense of life, liberty & property”. Nothing more or less. That it’s something that applies to everyone, everywhere. How can this message better be conveyed?

 

[ExMember_4526]

*To voters on the “fence” about this issue

 

[Bananabandit]

Seriously, I think one of the biggest issues we face in America are labels.

Everyone wants a label.

In the US, for example, we call a Black man, an African American.

In Germany, that same black man would be called a German.

Stop the identity politics and life gets better.

Silly cop telling me, a married white man, what to do.

 

[GOPerfect]

Silly cop telling me, a married white man, what to do.

I think you only assume that I am white.

I am a Scandinavian American.

 

[Bananabandit]

I think you only assume that I am white.

I am a Scandinavian American.

I called me white. I dont care what color you are, Barney.

 

[GOPerfect]

I called me white. I dont care what color you are, Barney.

I read that wrong!

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yes, well said. I feel that “Gun Rights” should be put in the perspective of “defense of life, liberty & property”. Nothing more or less. That it’s something that applies to everyone, everywhere. How can this message better be conveyed?

It cannot be conveyed because republican candidates here in this state do not want to lose votes by making gun rights the whole focus.

It’s far too broken to fix at this point anyway. People will vote in candidates that benefit them regardless.

For example. If the zoning laws around Kiryas Joel change to allow 2 story houses to be demolished and allowed to be replaced with 4 story houses, all the residents of Kiryas Joel will vote for that candidate. Or if the minimum wage was proposed to be changed to 20 bucks and hour, all gun owners who work at McDonald’s will vote for that candidate.

People are selfish. They will throw the 2A under the bus for their own gain.

 

[ExMember_4526]

Understood, so do you feel there’s any proactive, practical measures that can be taken?

 

[Brian Colt]

At the request of @BoruchYaakov , here is a thread asking the question...

How can NY Gun Owners of different backgrounds and priorities better advance gun rights?

VOTE! GET YOUR FRIENDS/RELATIVES/ACQUAINTANCES/ ENEMIES to vote!

 

[Marine Cpl]

Understood, so do you feel there’s any proactive, practical measures that can be taken?

Unfortunately, no. The only way is for the Republican Party to stop catering to religious groups that are against abortions no matter how early, stop catering to religious groups that are against homosexuality, etc. Those religious groups are Mormons, Orthodox Jews, Christians, etc. It would take a generation or 2 to turn it around if they started now but by then there will be more damage to the 2A.

That’s why nobody outside of our circles join our cause. Those issues shouldn’t be political issues.

 

[Twogunwilly]

Hook up monkey face with Dana Loesch and she can make him sign anything. Then she can rip his heart out by the roots and we can laugh at him some more.

 

[ExMember_4526]

Unfortunately, no. The only way is for the Republican Party to stop catering to religious groups that are against abortions no matter how early, stop catering to religious groups that are against homosexuality, etc. Those religious groups are Mormons, Orthodox Jews, Christians, etc. It would take a generation or 2 to turn it around if they started now but by then there will be more damage to the 2A.

That’s why nobody outside of our circles join our cause. Those issues shouldn’t be political issues.

I understand your point, although I don’t completely agree. However, more to the point:

How can we make “gun rights” a bipartisan (politically expedient) issue?

Meaning:

That whether someone wants abortion regulated by the state, or they don’t, or someone sexually identifies as an Apache Attack Helicopter, or they don’t, or they want the government to regulate certain markets, or they don’t; when it comes to small arms, it’s self understood that it’s better for society as a whole if they are deregulated?

 

[Catskillkid]

I understand your point, although I don’t completely agree. However, more to the point:

How can we make “gun rights” a bipartisan (politically expedient) issue?

Meaning:

That whether someone wants abortion regulated by the state, or they don’t, or someone sexually identifies as an Apache Attack Helicopter, or they don’t, or they want the government to regulate certain markets, or they don’t; when it comes to small arms, it’s self understood that it’s better for society as a whole if they are deregulated?

That to me is very much the key. However, the Left has made it about identify politics as was discussed in posts above. Guns are no longer "rights" it's an identify issue for the Left. The left identifies as "the good guys" if you will and guns and gun owners are bad.

Reaching out to inner city youths the way Colion Noir and some others do help gain minority support as does outreach to gay groups like the Pink Pistols and women's self defense classes helps get more women on board. I would argue even the video gaming community "helps" in the sense that the exposure that most kids these days have to guns comes from games like Call of Duty. These are all little pieces and some progress is made but it's not enough, at least not at the moment.

 

[ExMember_4526]

That to me is very much the key. However, the Left has made it about identify politics as was discussed in posts above. Guns are no longer "rights" it's an identify issue for the Left. The left identifies as "the good guys" if you will and guns and gun owners are bad.

Reaching out to inner city youths the way Colion Noir and some others do help gain minority support as does outreach to gay groups like the Pink Pistols and women's self defense classes helps get more women on board. I would argue even the video gaming community "helps" in the sense that the exposure that most kids these days have to guns comes from games like Call of Duty. These are all little pieces and some progress is made but it's not enough, at least not at the moment.

So, what else would be effective? What other “pieces” could be added to the “puzzle”?

The “gun grabbers“ certainly have been controlling the narrative. How can this be counter balanced (if you will)?

 

[Podmonkey]

First step is to not treat your rights as a lost cause and give up before you start.
Next step is to fight and never stop even if it is a lost cause.
Next step after that is to get some proper advocacy groups in NYS. Apparently you have no pro gun groups that are not corrupt. Get some real advocacy going on, get some lobbying together, get an organization together you all can throw some money towards. Get some out of state funding thrown your way too. Support any movement that separates NYC from the rest of the state by any degree. If any of you find yourself caught up in one of andy fuck face's road side photo ops, you know what to do.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

I think you only assume that I am white.

I am a Scandinavian American.

@GOPerfect.

What's the word in the locker room? What's the word on the street? You deal with other cops every day. Municipality police, County Sheriff deputies, State troopers. Any of this ever come up on casual conversation? General opinions of red flag laws? Disarmament?

Curious about the general law enforcement community opinion, if you have any input you'd be willing to share.

 

[Catskillkid]

So, what else would be effective? What other “pieces” could be added to the “puzzle”?

The “gun grabbers“ certainly have been controlling the narrative. How can this be counter balanced (if you will)?

What @Podmonkey said. Particularly the part about running over Princess Andy's foot (I read between the lines Pod. Maybe you meant something different).

 

[prambo]

I think you only assume that I am white.

I am a Scandinavian American.

Off topic, @GOPerfect ...are you familiar with Jack Donovan's website?...Jack Donovan – Masculine Philosophy

 

[Marine Cpl]

Seriously. The only way to stop anti gun legislation at this point is for a catastrophic event to happen where the government is no longer in control.

Total disarmament will happen eventually. Pistol grips will be the next thing. Then semi automatic afterwards once people get used to not having pistol grips. Then bolts and levers unless you own a valid hunting license. Then eventually just cause to get a hunting license

It’s implemented in baby steps so that the people get used to it.

And for those that say that it will never happen, there will come a time when all 3 branches are controlled by gun grabbers and all you graybeards are dead and long gone and those of fighting age will be those that went through indoctrination in school who never owned an AR of their own.

I mean look at NY. In just a short time, there is less interest in the AR platform compared to how it used to be. You think your grandkids will have interest in it if they never experienced it? How about their kids?

 

[SmallGameAddict]

What happens if I swallow the red pill?

 

[Catskillkid]

What happens if I swallow the red pill?

You find out how deep this rabbit hole really goes.

 

[Darth]

It unfortunately is a problem though because politics is used for gun grabbing and it specifically targets different backgrounds. One party who wants to cater to LGBT for example will do so while introducing legislation to erode 2nd Amendment rights.

On the flip side, plenty of LGBT people are supportive of gun rights, with good reason, but driven off because of wacky Right Wing nonsense,

And this forum often forgets because it is a gun forum, that those other pesky amendments do matter.

One of the worst things this side does though is not having the ability to say “I’m wrong” or accepting criticism. “Trump is demonstrably more anti gun than Obama” should not be met with “WOULDJA RATHER HAVE HILLIARY HMMMMMMMMMMM!?”