How can NY Gun Owners of different backgrounds and priorities better advance gun rights?

[GOPerfect]

Am I the only one who wanted to and did vote for Trump? I was more than happy to vote for him. I was a backer of him even prior to the official announcement of his candidacy. I did not care who he was going to run against, I had already made up my mind.

In November, I will be more than happy to pull that lever again!

 

[Darth]

You said that I was drunk when I said to Darth that unless each party can have hundreds of candidates on the ballot, you would be correct. That was in reference to Darth’s post about the ballot having infinite numbers of candidates on it on Election Day.

So since I am drunk, that stands to reason that you believe that all the candidates that lost in the primaries should remain on the final ballot.

They do remain on the ballot...

 

[96coal449]

Unless you each party can have hundreds of candidates on the ballot, you would be correct.

Read what you wrote. You made no sense. I asked if you were drunk.
Thought we all could use a laugh.

from you but you are buddy fuckers

You quoted both Darth and I in the same post with that so I said you are drunk ......

 

[96coal449]

Am I the only one who wanted to and did vote for Trump? I was more than happy to vote for him. I was a backer of him even prior to the official announcement of his candidacy. I did not care who he was going to run against, I had already made up my mind.

In November, I will be more than happy to pull that lever again!

You are not alone.

 

[ExMember_4526]

This is not addressed to anyone in particular, but it is possible for one to state their opinion in a civil manner, without resorting to insults!

Since we all understand:

• We all have different beliefs

• What we all have in common is a belief in the right to keep & bear arms and see the importance of having the ability to defend oneself

I ask:

What can we collectively do on a local level, that can improve the situation as it pertains to “Gun Rights“?

LE people:

Would a push to create “2nd Amendment Sanctuaries” do anything practical, or is it more of a symbolic measure that achieves nothing (practically)?

 

[96coal449]

This is not addressed to anyone in particular, but it is possible for one to state their opinion in a civil manner, without resorting to insults!

Since we all understand:

• We all have different beliefs

• What we all have in common is a belief in the right to keep & bear arms and see the importance of having the ability to defend oneself

I ask:

What can we collectively do on a local level, that can improve the situation as it pertains to “Gun Rights“?

LE people:

Would a push to create “2nd Amendment Sanctuaries” do anything practical, or is it more of a symbolic measure that achieves nothing (practically)?

The sheriff is the supreme law of the land in said county.....above all. Hired and fired by the people. So, yes but your county has to have a unified people.

 

[GOPerfect]

This is not addressed to anyone in particular, but it is possible for one to state their opinion in a civil manner, without resorting to insults!

Since we all understand:

• We all have different beliefs

• What we all have in common is a belief in the right to keep & bear arms and see the importance of having the ability to defend oneself

I ask:

What can we collectively do on a local level, that can improve the situation as it pertains to “Gun Rights“?

LE people:

Would a push to create “2nd Amendment Sanctuaries” do anything practical, or is it more of a symbolic measure that achieves nothing (practically)?

One thing you should really understand about this forum...

Actually, this is not just toward you, but to any member that is newer.

Most of us have "known" each other on this forum for many years. Many of us have personal relationships with other members. We insult, swear at, scream at each other all of the time. I have called other members some pretty nasty names and insults over the years. We are all grown men and a couple of women as well. We have thick skin, all is good.

If you get a chance, read my sig line. That is a direct quote from one member to another.

Again, life is not civil, nor should it be; neither is this forum.

 

[96coal449]

One thing you should really understand about this forum...

Actually, this is not just toward you, but to any member that is newer.

Most of us have "known" each other on this forum for many years. Many of us have personal relationships with other members. We insult, swear at, scream at each other all of the time. I have called other members some pretty nasty names and insults over the years. We are all grown men and a couple of women as well. We have thick skin, all is good.

If you get a chance, read my sig line. That is a direct quote from one member to another.

Again, life is not civil, nor should it be; neither is this forum.

What weight hammer do you have?

 

[GOPerfect]

I ask:

What can we collectively do on a local level, that can improve the situation as it pertains to “Gun Rights“?

LE people:

Would a push to create “2nd Amendment Sanctuaries” do anything practical, or is it more of a symbolic measure that achieves nothing (practically)?

!st question, probably not. This is NY State, as politics go, as long as Albany is run by leftists, progressives and haters of my Constitution, nothing can happen that is pro 2A.

2nd question, no.

 

[Marine Cpl]

They do remain on the ballot...

Where? I don’t remember seeing Bush, Kasich, Paul, etc on Election Day because they lost.

Sure, I could have penciled their name in but they lost. The American people didn’t vote for them in the primaries. So penciling their name in would have been a futile selfish gesture because if they had a chance of winning and being elected by the people, they would have won and had their name there.

 

[GOPerfect]

What weight hammer do you have?

it is not the weight but the power.

My hammer was created by Eitri, Brok, and Buri.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Read what you wrote. You made no sense. I asked if you were drunk.
Thought we all could use a laugh.


You quoted both Darth and I in the same post with that so I said you are drunk ......

My mistake then. I see where you could have gotten that from my autocorrect error. I thought you were saying that I was drunk because of the topic I was discussing with Darth and you were agreeing with him.

 

[GOPerfect]

My mistake then. I see where you could have gotten that from my autocorrect error. I thought you were saying that I was drunk because of the topic I was discussing with Darth and you were agreeing with him.

Idiot!

 

[96coal449]

I did have a couple good laughs ..... I really needed that.

Everything's been so tense lately with the princess's BS and the VA chapter .......

 

[FrankenCub]

@BoruchYaakov you should take most of this with a grain of salt, there may be name calling and insults in one thread, but read another thread and those involved may be passing a bottle of rum around. The topic creates tensions, not a big deal. Only a few members, and former members, truly got verbally abused and it was also very well deserved on their end. Most everyone here has known each other for probably 5 or 6 years even before this site went online. Might have been longer than that, time and I dont play well together. It's all good, learn to laugh at the insults. Stick around and you'll learn who the trolls are that do get abused lol.

 

[FrankenCub]

As for doing anything to help the gun rights cause here in NY, forget it. NY is lost AFAIC. Der Furher Cuomo gonna be Governor till he dies, then he'll be replaced with another liberal extremist. When the majority of gun owners refuse to get off their dead asses to vote to save what little 2a rights we have left, nothing changes. NYC has us by the balls.

 

[Elwood]

I believe NICS checks shouldn’t exist. Under that logic, I should not have voted for Trump and instead voted for a ham sandwich.

So basically I’ll never be able to vote for anyone because they all believe in NICS checks. Ham Sandwiches for everyone while my rights continue to get worse because Hillary or people like her will keep winning.

What people need to understand is that you have to vote for the best of 2. Because if you do not, you will always get the worst of the 2.

Now if you Mr Elwood found a candidate that fits you 100 percent perfectly on the 2A, he may not fit me perfectly so Ham Sandwich it is and now we both don’t get the person that is closer to our ideals.

No one candidate fits everyone 100 percent. No one. Everyone is different and everyone picks the candidate closer to what they believe in.

Shackling yourself to the 2 party system is the reason this country is the clusterfuck that it’s become. Have fun with that. I refuse to sell my dignity in the voting booth for “ the lesser of two evils” don’t care about party politics, I vote for who’s best for the job and deserves my vote. At the point we’re at the ham sandwich deserves my vote more than anything else.

 

[GOPerfect]

Shackling yourself to the 2 party system is the reason this country is the clusterfuck that it’s become. Have fun with that. I refuse to sell my dignity in the voting booth for “ the lesser of two evils” don’t care about party politics, I vote for who’s best for the job and deserves my vote. At the point we’re at the ham sandwich deserves my vote more than anything else.

Curious and serious....

Any American able to hold the office, politician or not' who, as a real person, would be the best candidate for you?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Shackling yourself to the 2 party system is the reason this country is the clusterfuck that it’s become. Have fun with that. I refuse to sell my dignity in the voting booth for “ the lesser of two evils” don’t care about party politics, I vote for who’s best for the job and deserves my vote. At the point we’re at the ham sandwich deserves my vote more than anything else.

You do realize that if all those 50 candidates were on the ballot, you get the same result as you got in the republican primaries?

Ran Paul for example still wouldn’t win. The same number of people that didn’t vote for him wouldn’t vote for him. The winner would still be Trump.

What you are saying essentially is to not have the primaries on the day that they have them and instead have the primaries on Election Day. It would still be the same result.

 

[FrankenCub]

Shackling yourself to the 2 party system is the reason this country is the clusterfuck that it’s become. Have fun with that. I refuse to sell my dignity in the voting booth for “ the lesser of two evils” don’t care about party politics, I vote for who’s best for the job and deserves my vote. At the point we’re at the ham sandwich deserves my vote more than anything else.

Just my opinion but if everyone voted for who ever tripped their trigger the House, Senate, SCOTUS, and POTUS would be Democrat till the end of the USA. Most Americans haven't had any dignity for the last 50 years. It's all about that free shit.

 

[Elwood]

Curious and serious....

Any American able to hold the office, politician or not' who, as a real person, would be the best candidate for you?

That’s something I think seriously about before I just blindly vote for someone simply because they were nominated by a group of mostly corrupt party members. For example were Crazy Carl Palidino, and lil’ Robbie Astorino really the best people the state Republican Party could muster ? Or were there better candidates that were overshadowed simply because they couldn’t grease the right party bosses to get the nod ?

 

[Elwood]

Our founders did not intend for this country to be ruled by 2 parties of elitists playing games for people’s votes. They would be severely disappointed to see just how far we’ve strayed from their intentions when drafting the framework of this country.

 

[FrankenCub]

If the Republican Party in NY gave the nod to Jesus Christ himself, do you think it would have made a difference? I'm finding it hard that they even care.

This 2 party system isn't the only thing our founders would find appalling, it's just one of many but here we are trying to keep the country together. At this point whatever happens, happens, fuck it.

 

[Grimscale]

I ask:

What can we collectively do on a local level, that can improve the situation as it pertains to “Gun Rights“?

We, as "civilians", can only do what is being suggested. Rally, state our opinions as to the Constitutionality of these Laws, refuse to comply (with all of its attendant risks), bring visibility to our plight.
We have no authority, in the eyes of our governments. They refuse to acknowledge they are beholden to US for their power, and we refuse to remind them of it. Yes, that means violently if necessary.

LE people:

Would a push to create “2nd Amendment Sanctuaries” do anything practical, or is it more of a symbolic measure that achieves nothing (practically)?

That ultimately depends on how far those sanctuary areas are willing to go.
They must declare they will not, in any shape or form, support anti-2nd Laws, and refuse to step down when ordered to by the State .gov. They must be ready to enforce their will on any State rep that enters their sanctuary area.
I wasn't kidding when I said in another thread that County Sheriffs need to be ready to arrest Cuomo, and any other New York Legislator who voted for these unConstitutional Laws, should they step foot in the County. The various governments arrest people all the time for "civil rights violations". Why is what Cuomo, et. al., any different? Just because they work in State .gov doesn't mean they get a free pass for participating in illegal activity.

Yes, some Sheriffs will end up arrested by the State Police. But this comes back to "do you believe in what you preach, or are you a fair weather politician".

 

[spat]

Not the question.

In the general election there are only 2 candidates, and some ridiculous fantasies.

Just a question. Let's say you run out of ammo for your preferred carry gun. Also, because reasons you can only carry 1 where you are going.

If you were going out the door, would you carry it anyway because it's better than your .25acp BUG ?

Or would you carry the BUG ?

That's a general election. We want the G29 because it's better in every way, but we get stuck having to choose between a lorin .25acp and a cobra derringer in .22lr because the glock is always out of ammo.

You can argue all day that being forced into that choice is terrible,and that the elites of both parties have carefully crafted it to hold on to their power, and you would be right.

I'll agree with you 100% on both points. But, just because they have put you in that position, that you can escape by ignoring the predicament.

You are not "sticking it to" anyone by voting third party. You are playing right into their hands just as much as the people who vote for their preferred candidates.

It's like pointing out to the criminal robbing you that he can't do this because he's in a gun free zone. He knows, he picked this place for a reason. He knew you were screwed no matter what you did.

 

[pjzwtl]

That’s something I think seriously about before I just blindly vote for someone simply because they were nominated by a group of mostly corrupt party members. For example were Crazy Carl Palidino, and lil’ Robbie Astorino really the best people the state Republican Party could muster ? Or were there better candidates that were overshadowed simply because they couldn’t grease the right party bosses to get the nod ?

Our founders did not intend for this country to be ruled by 2 parties of elitists playing games for people’s votes. They would be severely disappointed to see just how far we’ve strayed from their intentions when drafting the framework of this country.

Washington warned against political party’s for the very reason we have out in front of us today. It has become party first what’s right 2nd. Your spot on regarding greasing the party wheels to get a nod.
Trump on the other hand was not the “party guy” he was seen as an abomination an outsider and it was the average voter who bumped the party line to get him the nomination not the party leadership.
Like @GOPerfect I was happy to vote for him and I look forward to doing it again. Has he done things that I disagree with? Absolutely. Has he done a lot that puts a smile on my face? Yup! He is not a polished groomed for office “statesman” those types have been pulling us into the abyss for generations now. I want a leader who isn’t afraid to speak freely.
if I truly must have a candidate I agree with 100% I’d better run myself and not hold my breath.

 

[Darth]

In the general election there are only 2 candidates, and some ridiculous fantasies.

Just a question. Let's say you run out of ammo for your preferred carry gun. Also, because reasons you can only carry 1 where you are going.

If you were going out the door, would you carry it anyway because it's better than your .25acp BUG ?

Or would you carry the BUG ?

That's a general election. We want the G29 because it's better in every way, but we get stuck having to choose between a lorin .25acp and a cobra derringer in .22lr because the glock is always out of ammo.

You can argue all day that being forced into that choice is terrible,and that the elites of both parties have carefully crafted it to hold on to their power, and you would be right.

I'll agree with you 100% on both points. But, just because they have put you in that position, that you can escape by ignoring the predicament.

You are not "sticking it to" anyone by voting third party. You are playing right into their hands just as much as the people who vote for their preferred candidates.

It's like pointing out to the criminal robbing you that he can't do this because he's in a gun free zone. He knows, he picked this place for a reason. He knew you were screwed no matter what you did.

It's more akin to going against the grain with, say, a national organization.

Say hypothetically there was a big national gun rights organization that sucked, and you saw this, but everyone just keep on with "and what have you done!?" /"they are the best hope we have"/ etc. The continued votes for them did nothing and they kept down the path to self destruction. Meanwhile, because you didn't participate in their scheme, you kept your money and conscience.

Now let's pretend a few years later people start realizing, "hey, this organization ain't so great, maybe we call a spade a spade and stop supporting them." if that were to happen, wouldn't you, who held fast from the beginning be thinking "if we had done this from the start, we'd be in a lot better place."

Everyone wants the instant gratification over the long game.

 

[Paxal]

Many groups though, want these labels. If they didn't they would not use them.

Too many people feel special with their stupid, gay sounding labels.

They are not going away anytime soon. Everyone wants to be special one way or another. Labels give them this "special"

Yes, any by dling out “specialness” and with it attention(money) you create votes. Therefore, more and more “special” constiuenies are created and the common good subverted. So, as I said, “I am an American.” Is the only identifier I care about. The rest is for you and your shrink.pastor, whatever.

 

[96coal449]

Yes, some Sheriffs will end up arrested by the State Police.

They do not legally have the power to do so.
I completely agree with what you are saying though. It would be very wise for us citizens to organize with the oath abiding sheriffs.

 

[Robin]