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Podmonkey said:
Holy shit nothing, the law almost doesn't even matter. Not in my experience anyway. By the letter of the law shouldn't you be able to momentarily handle a handgun in a shop in NY? How many shops would let you though? Buffalo Gun Center won't, I can tell you that, nor the Cabella's in that area.
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Again. Just cause they dont let you has nothing to do with the law.

My employee checked with the DA about this exact issue. The law does not forbid this.
 
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The rifle is being shipped directly to my home. So more than likely Ruger replaced some parts or one of the assemblies. I highly doubt they would replace the entire rifle and if so I will contact my FFL to make sure I’m playing by the rules.
 
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This seems pretty simple, I don't know why you guys are making it so complicated.

If you ship it directly to the manufacturer, they can ship it directly back to you. If you want to print out a 4473, fill it out, frame, and hang it on your wall, you can, but you do not have to. You cannot do a NICS check because you are not an FFL.

If you have an FFL ship the gun for you for whatever reason (personal preference, ignorant employees at the local UPS store, whatever) then the manufacturer will ship the gun back to the FFL, and the FFL will put it in his books and do the whole paperwork dance.
 
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spat said:
This seems pretty simple, I don't know why you guys are making it so complicated.

If you ship it directly to the manufacturer, they can ship it directly back to you. If you want to print out a 4473, fill it out, frame, and hang it on your wall, you can, but you do not have to. You cannot do a NICS check because you are not an FFL.

If you have an FFL ship the gun for you for whatever reason (personal preference, ignorant employees at the local UPS store, whatever) then the manufacturer will ship the gun back to the FFL, and the FFL will put it in his books and do the whole paperwork dance.
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No, this was a simple thread about someone who sent their rifle back to the manufacturer for evaluation and repair but it turned into a thread of butt hurt people not wanting to read the actual regulations pertaining to such matters.
 
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spat said:
This seems pretty simple, I don't know why you guys are making it so complicated.

If you ship it directly to the manufacturer, they can ship it directly back to you. If you want to print out a 4473, fill it out, frame, and hang it on your wall, you can, but you do not have to. You cannot do a NICS check because you are not an FFL.

If you have an FFL ship the gun for you for whatever reason (personal preference, ignorant employees at the local UPS store, whatever) then the manufacturer will ship the gun back to the FFL, and the FFL will put it in his books and do the whole paperwork dance.
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Which is exactly what I was saying.
 
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Depick said:
The rifle is being shipped directly to my home. So more than likely Ruger replaced some parts or one of the assemblies. I highly doubt they would replace the entire rifle and if so I will contact my FFL to make sure I’m playing by the rules.
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If they are shipping to your home then you don't have to worry about it. I am still curious to know what was wrong with it when you get it.
 
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Depick said:
The rifle is being shipped directly to my home. So more than likely Ruger replaced some parts or one of the assemblies. I highly doubt they would replace the entire rifle and if so I will contact my FFL to make sure I’m playing by the rules.
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Dont bother. Ruger knows the rules. Dont overthink this. See ArmedCorgi ‘s posts

Your ffl may not know? Many dont know and they pass on/make up bad info.
 
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ArmedCorgi said:
These are the ATF regulations:
478.147 Return of firearm.

A person not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State or local law may ship a firearm to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer for any lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, the licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer may return in interstate or foreign commerce to that person the firearm or a replacement firearm of the same kind and type. See §478.124(a) for requirements of a Form 4473 prior to return. A person not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State or local law may ship a firearm curio or relic to a licensed collector for any lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, the licensed collector may return in interstate or foreign commerce to that person the firearm curio or relic.

§478.124 Firearms transaction record.

(a) A licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer shall not sell or otherwise dispose, temporarily or permanently, of any firearm to any person, other than another licensee, unless the licensee records the transaction on a firearms transaction record, Form 4473: Provided, That a firearms transaction record, Form 4473, shall not be required to record the disposition made of a firearm delivered to a licensee for the sole purpose of repair or customizing when such firearm or a replacement firearm is returned to the person from whom received.
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Well I stand corrected. I just went through this with kimber and a pistol, maybe it was because it was a short gun or because it was the PRNY. Kimber would not ship the replacement to me, it had to go to an FFL.
 
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dsdmmat said:
Well I stand corrected. I just went through this with kimber and a pistol, maybe it was because it was a short gun or because it was the PRNY. Kimber would not ship the replacement to me, it had to go to an FFL.
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If you are talking about Kimber sending you a replacement handgun, unless there was something I missed, it is likely one of two things. 1. Kimber just prefers to send it back through an FFL for no good reason. Or 2. (and most likely considering NYS handgun law) a replacement handgun would have to go through an FFL because you need to have your permit amended to have the serial# match on your permit. If you lived in a free state, they could just send you the replacement handgun same as a rifle or shotgun. Unless, Kimber is just stupid and makes all of it's customers, regardless of state, go through another nics and have to pay transfer fees on something they already did so on. In which case to hell with them.
 
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Located In Yonkers is bet Kimber is quite familiar with unSAFE and the requirements of getting it added to license prior to taking possession of it. They would be setting up an owner for a felony if they sent a pistol with a new serial number directly.

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That’s it right there. Kimber cannot send you a handgun to your home because the serial number will not match what’s on your license. If they do so, you will be in violation of Penal law 400.
 
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Calculon said:
Located In Yonkers is bet Kimber is quite familiar with unSAFE and the requirements of getting it added to license prior to taking possession of it. They would be setting up an owner for a felony if they sent a pistol with a new serial number directly.

FUAC
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I know their website says Yonkers, NY, but my customer service guy was in Montana, getting away from the High NY payroll tax maybe?
 
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I know their website says Yonkers, NY, but my customer service guy was in Montana, getting away from the High NY payroll tax maybe?
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This is clearly what happens when you go around putting people on ignore. You’ve gotten the answer twice already on why your new handgun with a new serial number got sent to a FFL.
 
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ArmedCorgi said:
What dealer? This a direct transaction between the consumer and the manufacturer. The dealer does not offer any warranty, the manufacturer does. You already completed a 4473 for the original gun. It broke and it is under manufacturer warranty. The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT allows for this relationship to exist. You can send a lawfully purchased gun back to the manufacturer for repair. They, in turn, can send YOU DIRECTLY back a repaired or REPLACEMENT gun. It's pretty fucking clear.
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Correct. Sent malfunctioning receiver to Keltec and they sent a new one directly back to me. They also enclosed a letter for my records explaining the transaction if I needed it in the future. I no longer own the gun.
 
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Correct. Sent malfunctioning receiver to Keltec and they sent a new one directly back to me. They also enclosed a letter for my records explaining the transaction if I needed it in the future. I no longer own the gun.
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Long gun or pistol?
 
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