who's barrel is that I really want a unthreaded barrel.
Let talk 6.5 Grendel
- Thread starter zzrguy
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Ok now do i buy 16 or 18 in barrel.?
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
18" You want every bit of velocity you can get if you're gonna hunt with it.
My 6.8 is 18". It's not too bad to walk with and maneuver. Could be much better if I'd focused on cutting weight when I was selecting parts.
My 6.8 is 18". It's not too bad to walk with and maneuver. Could be much better if I'd focused on cutting weight when I was selecting parts.
meketrefe
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6.8 is fine in 16" ideal in 18"
Grendel is good in20" ideal in 22" but cannuse the full 24"But if one likes it short defnetly not shorter than 18". 16" is a waste.
This is dictated bu the geometry of the case and case width to bore diameter ratio
18in fluted barrel, BCG, 1 6.5 Grendel mag, gas block and tube, red charging handle and forward assist order from Grendel Hunter. Very nice guy to talk to as well.
Now for the lower going fixed mag pistol grip MOE rifle stock and a plane Jane free float fore end(which one who knows)
Now for the lower going fixed mag pistol grip MOE rifle stock and a plane Jane free float fore end(which one who knows)
Odin works 18". It is threaded. I had someone weld a stainless thread protector on.
meketrefe
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Don't need to weld it. A blind pin will achieve the same.
I'm going fixed mag I hunt and target shoot I don't throw a thousands rounds down range on each trip to the range so haven a detachable mag is really not a issue for me and I don't need to deal with all the other safe bullshit.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not according to the ATF.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...jDfIQFgglMAA&usg=AOvVaw3Fks72dZ-1AvmD90D37RMR
meketrefe
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ATF has nothing to do with this. His barrel is 18"
The grandfathered NYS ban with permanently attached muzzle brakes had many of those sold from factory with the brakes pinned, not welded.
This was a permanent measure and SAFE doesn't say anything about this not being permanent anymore.
The grandfathered NYS ban with permanently attached muzzle brakes had many of those sold from factory with the brakes pinned, not welded.
This was a permanent measure and SAFE doesn't say anything about this not being permanent anymore.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So is he going to cut and crown it to 16? Because according to what you are saying if it's 16 inches you can just tape a muzzle device on permanently with scotch tape.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Sold has nothing to do with ATF procedures. Many things were sold that weren't legal.
meketrefe
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No I think he went the fixed magazine way otherwise he would be ok by simply pinning a muzzle
thread protector or sleeve like the ones you buy form RRA and other NY compliant that are sold
with the FRS stock
meketrefe
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The pinned is a permanent method.
NYSP confirmed this duding the SAFE act education sessions given by Mike Green and Mr. Hogan from NYSP.
If you were not there ask Scope who have recordings and might have transcripts of the education sessions.
In short, what it was a permanent way before by pinning is still a permanent way today.
Our personal opinions do not matter that much here.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You always say that. The NYSP cannot confirm anything. They previously incorrectly confirmed pump shotguns as being illegal. They aren't judges and cannot say whether something is legal or not. All they could do is choose to arrest you or let you go.
This is why most revert to the ATF method of permanence. Whether a manufacturer chose not to weld the pin head for cost or speed in the past and no one said anything is neither here nor there. Lots of things later declared illegal were pumped out unknowingly by manufacturers.
Again. The NYSP cannot interpret law. You need to accept that. They've admitted as such during the Dark Storm fiasco and also it says so on their website.
I may go with a comp but not sure yet
meketrefe
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Law enforcement have to know the law. It is their job.
NYSP advertised a new webpage and hotline after SAFE passed and they have been educating people about the new law.
So they do in fact interpret the law and they make that public and encourage people to call. It has happened that, if someone
was not sure, they have asked for time for consultation with a supervisor and then get back to people. Ask the @Bullet Guy as he had to deal
with this several times. So SAFE have empowered them to interpret the law. How correct that is? that is not my problem.
NYSP might give conflicting information in many areas depending on who is on the phone and weather patterns but the permanent
feature in the muzzle is something that didn't need much clarification.
In fact they have been sold with a pin under the previous ban and continue to be sold with a pin and muzzle protector under the current ban.
I go to the gun shop and buy a compliant rifle. They give me a receipt for it. They even give me information from the manufacturer confirming
the approval from NYS including the name of the law firm and date (printed letter). Not only we have a receipt for the legal purchase of a fiream
but we have approval letter from them and one might also have it from a local sheriff of PD if one wants to ask.
As a result one takes his/her legally purchased rifle or pistol with his/her receipt and go and enjoy the firearm.
Would this stop someone for doubting? perhaps not but it is not our problem. I sleep well at night.
You need to accept this logic.
meketrefe
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comp you mean compensator? can always get a linear one to redirect the blast and noise away.
The only thing they are not that effective at felt recoil as a nice brake but the round barely kicks anyway.
It is a pleasure to shoot.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Your logic isn't the law Meke. Show me anywhere in the law that says if a cop or a police organization says it's legal, it is legal. You won't be able to.
Those guys that bought guns at the Albion gun shop slept fine at night with their receipts tucked away in their safes until the state police decided that the bullet button was a no go. It took rallying at the gun shop for the DA to say they won't prosecute the gun owners. Do you remember that? Now they are saying you need to put epoxy on that bullet button to comply. Where does it say that in the law? Do you remember when they were saying to epoxy the grip screw on Thordsen stock? Where does it say that? They are still saying that you can only load 7 on their website for Christ sake despite the court rulings and amendments to the penal law as a result of those court rulings.
The NYSP cannot interpret law. They can only choose to arrest you or not. After that it's up to the DA to prosecute or not. If they choose to prosecute, only a judge or jury can interpret the law.
Go to their website linked below. Pay particular attention to the disclaimer at the bottom.
NYSAFE Act Gun Reform | SafeAct
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meketrefe
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My logic is not the law because it is not my logic in the first place. SAFE hotline is THEIR IDEA. The Education sessions is THEIR idea.
In the NYSP education sessions they actually consistently said epoxy was an acceptable method for not making the fix so it could be "readily reverted" as mentioned in the law.
The mag button, they could not persecute the business because if they are being arbitrary they are going to shoot themselves on the foot and the
DA knows better.
This is not my logic. This is what is happening and THEY are making even their own LE confused.
Nobody following the advice from NYSP has been in trouble. This is a fact.
I think the disclaimers are good extra ammo for a legal team to get this law repealed but unfortunately we do not have any organizations or lawyers taking
this useless law where it needs to go that is the supreme court.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Look. You do what you want. I'm only writing for the guy who wants to take no chances and would rather go the ATF method. A little dab of JB Weld on the pin head isn't going to hurt anyone and is satisfactory as per the ATF guidelines as written.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It doesn't matter if it's their idea. What's to stop a city cop who's not in the NYSP to make an arrest and an DA to prosecute?
As far as no one being prosecuted, that's because for the most part cops don't go around checking rifles at ranges or checking rifles in people's safes. Just think of the millions of guns that aren't 922R Compliant. That doesn't mean they are legal.
I could have gone not 922R compliant but I spent the extra 50 bucks to do so.
A smart person would spend the 5 bucks and JB Weld the pin head.
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meketrefe
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A city cop might make an arrest based on a mistake due to a huge number of reasons and potential violations and SAFE is not an exception.
All that I care is that my firearms are both legal and compliant. I also don't drink at all so any breathalyzer that gives a positive on me will be broken even
if the city cop doesn't know it.
We don't live in a police state yet despite the efforts from Albany.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
If that's what you care about, then do so via the actual law and not the word of a cop. That's all I'm saying.
meketrefe
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Not just a cop, but Manufacturers legal counsels, NYSP people designated BY THEM to educate on SAFE, Mike Green former DA and Mr. Hogan NYSP, Gun shop, Sheriff, etc....
If everyone agrees, I feel pretty safe about making the right judgment.
I mean, sure someone might decide to raid Rock River Arms, Just right carbines, and DPMS if they want but that is not going to result in any arrests from people legally buying their compliant products.
honestly, I don't see that happening.
now is time for my Harakiri! LOL
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Like I said before. You do what you want. If you feel comfortable with what a cop tells you, who am I to make you uncomfortable by quoting law? Do as you wish but try not to push that on someone who wants to follow actual laws.
meketrefe
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Look they are selling illegal firearms! OMG!!!
JUST RIGHT CARBINES 9mm NEW YORK STATE SAFE ACT LEGAL RIFLE
JUST RIGHT CARBINES 9mm NEW YORK STATE SAFE ACT LEGAL RIFLE
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Probably since they aren't epoxying the grip screw as per NYSP opinion.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I am more interested in a fast second shot then taking the recoil.