If you can draw your pistol and have good iron sight alignment, then you’ll automatically have the red dot in the window and be able to use it. There’s actually more leeway with red dots than there is with irons. For example; If you draw your gun and purposely put the red dot all the way to the extreme left, right, top, or bottom of the window; you’ll notice that the irons are not even close to being properly aligned but you can still use the red dot and place it over your intended target. All it comes down to really is practice. If you’re drawing your gun and your red dot isn’t somewhere in your window, that also means that your not instinctually aligning your irons either. Since the red dot is a finer point of aim, it’s easier to magnify your flaws. I had to go through the same thing. Practice drawing your gun and dry fire.
Lets talk Red Dots on handguns
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I have no experience with the Red-dot on a pistol, Self defense distances is what I am curious about as to if it is really that much faster. He states a quality fiber front sight is just fine. I'm quite quick with that.
I had cataracts removed and vision is now 20/15. NOW I prefer iron sights 
But what is "self defense distance"
If you are talking about 3 yards or less no one is using their sights. Just don't tell that to the cops when they investigate the incident.
Not saying that it’s not true but if you really do prefer iron sights over a red dot, you would definitely fall into the small category of the minority. What red dots have you shot with that we’re mounted to pistols?I had cataracts removed and vision is now 20/15. NOW I prefer iron sights
With a Handgun? I think the majority of encounters are no more than 15 yrs.
So how far is a walmart/target isle?
Do you go to church/temple?
Can you draw and make a "headshot" we will say the black B8 target (8") at 15 or 20 yards cold.. no worm up shots, stepped on to the range and your very first shot drawn and fired???
And yes I know Jack Wilson didn't use a red dot, I'm not saying iron sights dont work, but many people dont "train" as much as Jack claimed to
I would probably say that distance is even further than 3 yards. If you’re shooting at 3 yards and extend your arms, your arms probably close the distance by another 3 feet. Instinctive/point shooting is still able to be done at greater distances. Try 5, then 7, 10 yards...you’ll be surprised how many quality hits on target you’re able to get. The more you do it, the greater the distance you’re able to instinctively shoot.
There’s plenty of times I’ve gone to Walmart and looked down an isle and thought “That’s definitely more than 100 yards!”
I have a buddy who was slamming steal (not sure plate size) at 200 yards from the draw sub 2 seconds... he wasn't using iron sights
That would be pretty impressive to see done. Tell him to make a video. I’d like to see 200yrd shots consistently being made sub 2 seconds with a draw.
So turns out it was a 10x10 steel plate at 200 yards.
Draw to shot fired was 1.98seconds
Draw to shot fired was 1.98seconds
10 foot by 10 foot? That would still be good.
I'm not sure since I gave the sight away. I had it on 44Mag. It was pretty good, But I prefer iron (now).
This will be my next gun.
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HK Announces New Optics-Ready VP9L OR :: Guns.com
Without a lot of fanfare, Heckler & Koch this month introduced their newest VP9 pistol variant, the longslide optic-ready model, or VP9L OR.
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This will be my next gun.
HK Announces New Optics-Ready VP9L OR :: Guns.com
Without a lot of fanfare, Heckler & Koch this month introduced their newest VP9 pistol variant, the longslide optic-ready model, or VP9L OR.
I believe they have been or are selling just the upper as well (at a solid price) and can toss right on an existing vp9
Not cheap at all but sell it with 10rders.
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HK VP9L Optics Ready LE Night Sights 10 Round - Omaha Outdoors
HK VP9L Optics Ready LE Night Sights 10 Round - For Sale - MPN: 81000594 - UPC: 642230262140 - In Stock - Price: $989.00 - MSRP: $1,159.00 - Add to Cart
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Not cheap at all but sell it with 10rders.
HK VP9L Optics Ready LE Night Sights 10 Round - Omaha Outdoors
HK VP9L Optics Ready LE Night Sights 10 Round - For Sale - MPN: 81000594 - UPC: 642230262140 - In Stock - Price: $989.00 - MSRP: $1,159.00 - Add to Cart
I saw complete uppers for under $400 from the factory, barrel and all. Which is a steal
Nope, not really. You do lose some weight from the slide being milled for the optic. Plus you lose even more weight if you get more cuts like added serrations and/or windows in the slide. Quality optics on pistols are way better than irons.
Nope
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.475 A&M Magnum
I happened to come across this...I just had too. It’s only in jest!View attachment 86419
Batteries die.
Batteries die.
...than you still have your irons for backup, correct? lol If the though process of irons being “good enough” for handguns, wouldn’t you only ever need to use irons on rifles since iron sights on rifles are more accurate than irons on handguns?Batteries die.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
It sure does, lmao. I figured that’s where you were headed with it. So my response was really for anyone else with those ideals. lolYes, same way I feel about rifles.
Sarcasm loses something in print.
Yes, same way I feel about rifles.
Sarcasm loses something in print.
I saw it