Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I may in the future. Perhaps when they get smaller. I not a fan of the added bulk.
Lets talk Red Dots on handguns
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I had a chance to shoot someone’s Other/ Firearm and he had the green Holosun with the circle and dot. I found it extremely busy. I couldn’t see shit. The circle just got in the way.
I think a chevron may be okay though since you use the top tip of it. I used to have a big triangle on a meprolight which obscures more than a chevron and by using the top tip of it, it didn’t obscure anything.
I honestly think the chevron was the wrong choice for this optic and the 2moa dot would have been much better.
But this optic will be a decent option for a PCC, but then it wouldn't need the giant circle (can be shut off)
But this optic will be a decent option for a PCC, but then it wouldn't need the giant circle (can be shut off)
Semi relevant
Trijicon is suing Holosun
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Trijicon is suing Holosun
Trijicon is suing Holsun
Trijicon is suing holosun over patent infringement.... they are going to lose so hard hahaha https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-05/u-s-weapons-maker-seeks-ban-on-chinese-competitor-s-sights?srnd=politics-vp https://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/cacdce/2:2020cv06742/789717
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SIG's Romeo2: A Fresh Take On The Enclosed Emitter MRDS
Read: SIG's Romeo2: A Fresh Take On The Enclosed Emitter MRDS from Patrick Roberts on February 12, 2020 for Recoil.
Real good video with real nice visuals
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
Trijicon has announced/released their new mini/micro red dot to compete with Holosun 407k/507k, Shield RMSc and SIG Romeo line - Trijicon RMRcc Sight Adjustable LED 3.25 MOA Red Dot & Mounting Plate Kit CC06-C-3100001
Trijicon RMRcc - though you need to buy a separate mounting plate for each brand of pistol.. my 507k came with the necessary stuff to mount to the 365XL. So you're looking at double the price, all in..
Trijicon RMRcc - though you need to buy a separate mounting plate for each brand of pistol.. my 507k came with the necessary stuff to mount to the 365XL. So you're looking at double the price, all in..
Interesting..
I knew they were doing one. Glad to see it finally coming out to see the specs
It’s a little annoying that the RMRcc has a different mounting footprint than the larger RMR. You’re gonna tell me that there was no way to make it the same?! I call bullshit, it’s 2020...we have the technology to make this happen lol. I wonder if the footprint is the same as say the 507K since they are in a legal
battle with Holosun currently. Anyone already milled for a 507K can just swap out to the RMRcc.
battle with Holosun currently. Anyone already milled for a 507K can just swap out to the RMRcc.
What I've seen is its a proprietary footprint (because Trijicon)
It's a smaller optic. I would think it needs a different mounting pattern. They sell an adapter plate for the 365 XL which is milled for the 507K. I would think that plate would work for any gun milled for the 507 K. F China.
From Primary Arms Web Site;
he Trijicon RMRcc Red Dot Sight is built with the same durability and reliability of the RMR Type 2 but comes in at a slimmer and more refined profile designed specifically for use on pistols in a concealed carry role. The RMRcc retains the same easy to use buttons, CR2032 battery with 4 year life, and the same mounting footprint for maximum compatibility. The slimmer design combined with the adapter plates (sold separately) securely attach to all your favorite pistols without overhanging the sides for a perfect fit without snag points. The clear glass and crisp 6.5 MOA dot allow for both eyes open shooting for maximum awareness and fast target acquisition. Just place your dot on the target and pull the trigger.
Interesting....
he Trijicon RMRcc Red Dot Sight is built with the same durability and reliability of the RMR Type 2 but comes in at a slimmer and more refined profile designed specifically for use on pistols in a concealed carry role. The RMRcc retains the same easy to use buttons, CR2032 battery with 4 year life, and the same mounting footprint for maximum compatibility. The slimmer design combined with the adapter plates (sold separately) securely attach to all your favorite pistols without overhanging the sides for a perfect fit without snag points. The clear glass and crisp 6.5 MOA dot allow for both eyes open shooting for maximum awareness and fast target acquisition. Just place your dot on the target and pull the trigger.
Interesting....
I've seen them for 499 lol
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
I went to the range with a guy to sight in his new FN 509 with a Trijicon red dot. Tried off the sandbags at 25 yds and I have to say we were both disappointed, It has a terrible trigger, which he has the parts to replace, and he said the last mill before it goes bang is excruciating, but with all that he managed to get somewhat of a group to work with. At ten and fifteen yards he was putting them in the bull with off hand shooting but he was still aiming intensely and fighting the trigger. So we set up some clay pigeons at about fourteen yards, he relaxed and just shot the gun. Holy crap!!!!! Firing pretty rapid and did not miss one bird with two mag's!!!! So he let me have a go, the dot is distorted due to my astigmatism but even so I got six and the misses were less than an inch. I was very impressed, the gun, even with the sight, is still very compact and will make an excellent carry gun. Got me thinking, damn!!!!
Robin
Robin
Red dots are where it’s at! No doubt about it.
Red dots are awesome, and depending on which Trijicon he has on there would depend on the dot size and the larger dots star burst more for those with an astigmatism.. maybe the 1 moa RM09 would be sweet for you.
Also Apex I believe makes a sick 509 trigger
Trijicon RMRcc
This was a concern of mine before shot with a dot. I can tell you from experience a dot is absolutely faster. If you think you will need the irons for aliment like I did then put on supressor height sights. Then you will be able to run any way you want. But let me ask you if irons were faster why wouldn't competitive shooters use them then?
In conclusion this guy is full of shit!
Here are two videos from about 6 years ago..
Quality isn't great, but I mean its 6 years ago.
Now in that 6 years the same person in that video has gone on video (as recent as a few months ago) saying he only shoots iron sights when he has to to keep proficient for teaching, and that pretty much any and all his handgun classes are red dot classes.
Why because reddots are superior to irons, its not an argument, its not an option, its a physiological fact
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I am certainly no expert shooter. I'd consider myself an advanced beginner. After shooting a pistol with a red dot for about 1000 rounds, I find that my follow-up shots are much faster with the red dot than with iron sights. Think about it: With iron sights, you must line up two planes. With a red dot, once presented properly (which is critical), you just put the dot where you want shots to go. Of course, presentation with a red dot is critical. The first few times I raised the pistol to shoot, I keep thinking, "Where the F**k is the dot!" Some minor adjustments brought the dot into view.
Will the red dot make you a much more accurate shooter? That depends. If you are not being timed or forced to be under stress (like in a defensive situation), then no. An average shooter can certainly line up iron sights and shoot extremely accurately when taking their time. Under "stress," there is less fine tuning of the sight picture with a red dot. So, subsequent shots are easier to get on target quickly.
This is my opinion and experience. Your mileage will vary.
Even not under stress or time a red dot is going to be more accurate than irons.
I dont remember the instructor, but one did a chart with some measurements (arm length plus iron sight size) and with average arm length and standard size front iron sight you are looking betweem 10 and 12 MOA.
Now with red dots trijicon offers a few different dot sizes, largest being 12moa BUT thats the duel illumination model that no one really uses.
Now Trijicon main offerings come in a 6.5 moa and more common their 3.25 moa and they even have a 1 moa dot.
Holosun (iirc) is a 2 moa dot
So we will split the difference and say small end iron is 10 moa, average red dot is 3 moa
The thing is if you don't see the dot then you use your irons how you normally would. I really have to admit, I thought this was a big deal but its not. I'm not calling you out but just as a continuation of the discussion. If you do have to draw in a crappy position and can't get a good presentation you still have normal irons to fall back on. Also if your in close distance on a defensive situation you probably don't even need to find the dot, just put the bad guys chest in the window.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Agreed.
I haven't even tested the iron sights on the pistol I showed with my post.
I do not have my optic zeroed based on the iron sights. I do not pay attention to the iron sights as long as the optic is functional.
I draw and dry fire my pistol a few times every morning. So, quick consistent dot acquisition is not an issue.