Man injured after officer-involved shooting in Kenosha

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Do you see the difference between this shooting and the knee to the neck? After being more than likely justifiably shot, the officer’s rendered aid to this piece of shit rather than continue the use of force until his death.
 
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GOPerfect said:


One more reason to have guns. Guns and extra magazines.

Here in NY, this man would have been justfied to use deadly force.

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That shit right there made me livid.
I won't say what I want to see happen in that situation, lest it be used against me in court at a later time.
I'll go so far as to say there should be more homeowners and business owners on rooftops.
 
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Video shows Jacob Blake brawling with cops before he was shot

Video shows the events leading up to the shooting of Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old black man, though the footage is taken from the opposite angle of the other cell phone clip.
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Everyday, as usual, more information will come forth.

Seems like some were correct and others were wrong. Apparently, Mr. Blake is not such a good guy after all.
 
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Either that or stand the fuck up and crush these assholes.

Punch them in the throat. Stick a fork in their eyes. Beat them with the chair that you were sitting in.

My gods man, fight back when accosted.
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Gotta be careful in NY. You can't start a physical engagement then pull a gun when you're overwhelmed when the others pile on. You've always gotta look at the big picture. When you start fighting her the 30 others will come in and you're all done.

I probably would have told her to get the fuck away from me or she's gonna have a bad day.

If that didn't work I'd probably tell her I have a gun and she needs to go away.

For menacing you would need to display the gun so keeping it put away and announcing you have it as a deterrent seems like a decent and legal way to get them to move on. If that didn't work and you were then physically engaged by them and could not escape, you may exercise A35 as needed.
 
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Gotta be careful in NY. You can't start a physical engagement then pull a gun when you're overwhelmed when the others pile on. You've always gotta look at the big picture. When you start fighting her the 30 others will come in and you're all done.

I probably would have told her to get the fuck away from me or she's gonna have a bad day.

If that didn't work I'd probably tell her I have a gun and she needs to go away.

For menacing you would need to display the gun so keeping it put away and announcing you have it as a deterrent seems like a decent and legal way to get them to move on. If that didn't work and you were then physically engaged by them and could not escape, you may exercise A35 as needed.
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Always remember, there is always a way to escalate a situation that does not look like you are escalating. Say the correct words, quietly, make the other escalate for all to see.
 
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GOPerfect said:


One more reason to have guns. Guns and extra magazines.

Here in NY, this man would have been justfied to use deadly force.

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Poor fucker. Was that concrete in the Gatorade bottle?

I still don’t see a clear roe on defending a store. Against arson yes but if people are storming in looting is a store owner even legally able to shoot? I doubt it.
 
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At his business he would have no duty to retreat and given the climate and crowd size it would be reasonable for him to fear for his life. Others in similar situations have been badly injured and killed.
 
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Blimey said:
I reviewed article 35. In ny at least he can use physical force but not deadly unless in turn he thinks he will be victim of deadly (or arson).

so yeah he could have used deadly to stop the original arson.
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Or burglary.

That would be the important one here.

From A35.

and may use deadly
physical force in order to prevent or terminate the commission or
attempted commission of arson, as prescribed in subdivision one, or in
the course of a burglary or attempted burglary, as prescribed in
subdivision three.
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And the NY definition of burglary.

S 140.25 Burglary in the second degree.
A person is guilty of burglary in the second degree when he knowingly
enters or remains unlawfully in a building with intent to commit a crime
therein, and when:
1. In effecting entry or while in the building or in immediate flight
therefrom, he or another participant in the crime:
(a) Is armed with explosives or a deadly weapon; or
(b) Causes physical injury to any person who is not a participant in
the crime; or
(c) Uses or threatens the immediate use of a dangerous instrument; or
(d) Displays what appears to be a pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun,
machine gun or other firearm; or
2. The building is a dwelling.
Burglary in the second degree is a class C felony
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Now, that's what the law says, but in the real world as we've seen lately some prosecutors don't care much what they law says, they will persecute anyway. Rule of law is starting to break down, so rely on it at your own risk.
 
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spat said:
Or burglary.

That would be the important one here.

From A35.



And the NY definition of burglary.



Now, that's what the law says, but in the real world as we've seen lately some prosecutors don't care much what they law says, they will persecute anyway. Rule of law is starting to break down, so rely on it at your own risk.
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But what does the law say about burglary in subdivision 3? That rock you left unturned.
 
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So unless the building is your dwelling (in this case it's not it's a business) you would have to be injured or they would need to have a gun to use DF against them.
 
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Chevusa said:
So unless the building is your dwelling (in this case it's not it's a business) you would have to be injured or they would need to have a gun to use DF against them.
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I'm still very confused about exactly what the escalation procedure is for civilians with rifles "defending" businesses. As far as I know no business with patriots standing out front with rifles has been attacked, but what if people just walk past them and start looting?
 
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