Maryland SWAT Team Serving Red Flag Warrant Shoot, Kill 21-Year-Old Man Asleep In His Bed

[redtail]

Seems the gap is widening. The grey areas are now obstructed from further definition. Sad days for the republic.

 

[Vapor]

I'm not touching this one.


I don't want to end up dead next.

 

[Celt]

In today's climate, we absolutely need these types of raids/warrants.

Those that think differently live in a non realistic world.

Along with these types of raids, more Intel and planning is needed.

In hostage or kidnapping situations, absolutely. i dont think there is a place for them in many other situations.

 

[Celt]

If you were right there wouldn't be 50,000 SWAT raids in America every year. Sorry. You don't know more than every law enforcement agency in America, even though you may think so. You also ignored my point about having to enter anyway. If I take you down in your driveway, your home boys are going to be sure to know. So what happens when they destroy your meth lab before I can gain entry? Now I've lost my evidence. Also now that they all know we are there they can be prepared to launch an assault when we gain entry, instead of never knowing we are coming. They would even have plenty of time to make some phone calls and get the rest of the gang there to help them. Your argument fails, and bad guys will continue to get "wake up calls" at all hours of the night. Stay in your lane - this one clearly isn't for you.

This is pretty ignorant, you make your point as if the cops will be waiting outside his house with lights and sirens until he wakes up, announcing they are there.

There are many ways to take a person into custody without forewarning. Dont be close minded about this.

 

[PutnamCharlie]

Lets not forget that this was a supposed red flag warrant. So it may be based on someones hearsay and nothing more. We obviously don't have all the facts yet but it does seem a bit excessive.

 

[Chevusa]

This is pretty ignorant, you make your point as if the cops will be waiting outside his house with lights and sirens until he wakes up, announcing they are there.

There are many ways to take a person into custody without forewarning. Dont be close minded about this.

Please reference the 50,000 cases/ year. You're clearly missing something.

 

[dsdmmat]

Maryland is a very liberal state, I bet someone could get the legislature to outlaw no knock warrants if someone could show it is disproportionally effects the poor.

 

[holdover]

If I heard people breaking in my home at 4;30 in the morning , I have no reasonable expectation to believe its the police. None. I would grab a weapon and defend myself . In 20 minutes or less, I would either be dead or arrested for the murder of an officer . The threshold for a no knock warrant must be a lot higher.

I would hazard a guess that after the bedroom window was broken He rolled out of bed and grabbed a weapon giving LE ""justification"" to shoot.
If that's not setting somebody up , I don't know what is.

I would like to get more facts on the story too. The article made it sound like the police began shooting the house up before entering, which is not believable.

 

[Chevusa]

I have no reasonable expectation to believe its the police. None.

That's because you're not a criminal. When it happens to them it's their first thought. It's all perspective.

 

[GOPerfect]

If I heard people breaking in my home at 4;30 in the morning , I have no reasonable expectation to believe its the police. None. I would grab a weapon and defend myself . In 20 minutes or less, I would either be dead or arrested for the murder of an officer . The threshold for a no knock warrant must be a lot higher.

I would hazard a guess that after the bedroom window was broken He rolled out of bed and grabbed a weapon giving LE ""justification"" to shoot.
If that's not setting somebody up , I don't know what is.

I would like to get more facts on the story too. The article made it sound like the police began shooting the house up before entering, which is not believable.

I agree that the threshold needs to be much higher.

They are needed. I will stand by that.

Drug bust here in the Buffalo/Niagara Falls areas in the past week showed that enough for me.

The investigation was more than a year in the making.

They (LEO) from multiple departments and jurisdiction hit seven homes, three businesses, and two warehouses all at the same time.

The cash, drugs, weapons they pulled out was enough to start a small army. Not to mention the amount of paperwork that led Police to two other cities. If the knock type warrant would have been used, all evidence would have been destroyed and or good guys may have been killed.

 

[Chevusa]

Everyone who knows more than the nations law enforcement professionals, please contact William Barr using the link below and pitch him on your new, revolutionary, break through ideas. You may even be awarded the Medal Of Freedom by the President for your contribution to our nation.

Contact the Department

www.justice.gov

 

[holdover]

WHO the fuck is William Barr?

 

[PutnamCharlie]

 

[Celt]

Please reference the 50,000 cases/ year. You're clearly missing something.

What am I missing? It seems that you are blindly supporting these types of raids/warrants. I think there are a limited number of circumstances that they should ever be used for.

 

[Vapor]

I agree that the threshold needs to be much higher.

They are needed. I will stand by that.

Drug bust here in the Buffalo/Niagara Falls areas in the past week showed that enough for me.

The investigation was more than a year in the making.

They (LEO) from multiple departments and jurisdiction hit seven homes, three businesses, and two warehouses all at the same time.

The cash, drugs, weapons they pulled out was enough to start a small army. Not to mention the amount of paperwork that led Police to two other cities. If the knock type warrant would have been used, all evidence would have been destroyed and or good guys may have been killed.

Do you mean red flag laws, or are you in support of no-knocks on other types of well documented cases?

 

[Celt]

Everyone who knows more than the nations law enforcement professionals, please contact William Barr using the link below and pitch him on your new, revolutionary, break through ideas. You may even be awarded the Medal Of Freedom by the President for your contribution to our nation.

Contact the Department

www.justice.gov

It must be something to have so much trust in the government to never abuse its power/authority.

Ill reserve judgement on a case by case basis. No one deserves blind loyalty regardless of their job because we are all humans and all fallible.

 

[dsdmmat]

WHO the fuck is William Barr?

The AG of the US, of the infallible AG office who can never be questioned. Some other infamous AGs from history, Janet “the child burner“ Reno and Eric “the gun runner“ Holder.

 

[redtail]

Heresay I just gained was he was RF'd for having a medical mj card.

 

[Marine Cpl]

If you were right there wouldn't be 50,000 SWAT raids in America every year. Sorry. You don't know more than every law enforcement agency in America, even though you may think so. You also ignored my point about having to enter anyway. If I take you down in your driveway, your home boys are going to be sure to know. So what happens when they destroy your meth lab before I can gain entry? Now I've lost my evidence. Also now that they all know we are there they can be prepared to launch an assault when we gain entry, instead of never knowing we are coming. They would even have plenty of time to make some phone calls and get the rest of the gang there to help them. Your argument fails, and bad guys will continue to get "wake up calls" at all hours of the night. Stay in your lane - this one clearly isn't for you.

You sound ignorant. I guess 50,000 car stops for speeding within 5 or 10 miles of the speed limit are also needed. I guess 50,000 laws a year introduced by law makers are also needed. The way you gladly follow government without thinking for yourself is telling. You actually think that because government does something, it’s because it’s the right thing? Just look at all the no knocks that go wrong. Were they all the right thing to do?

Objecting on why they do something doesn’t mean that I know more than law enforcement. Just because someone does something, it doesn’t mean that it’s done because it’s the right thing to do.

Your argument seems to be that because it was done, it has to be right because they are the professionals and you aren’t. Listen to what you are saying.

 

[repete]

Lets not forget that this was a supposed red flag warrant. So it may be based on someones hearsay and nothing more. We obviously don't have all the facts yet but it does seem a bit excessive.

And there's some confusion if it was a RF. "What prompted the police to be at Lemp’s house at 4:30 am serving a ‘firearms related’ warrant but NOT a red flag? Was it a Red Flag and they just don’t want to call it that? We don’t know yet."
But the headline clearly uses the term RED FLAG

 

[spat]

I guarantee if a few houses blew up during no knock raids the practice would stop moe Ricky tic.

The fact that doesn't happen means they aren't necessarily.

Swat should only be used when there is an imminent danger if nothing is done, like a hostage situation.

Worrying about evidence is not an imminent danger.

Risking officers and innocent lives just so you can make sure nobody flushes some evidence is not worth it. Most criminals get away most of the time, one more won't end society.

 

[spat]

If you were right there wouldn't be 50,000 SWAT raids in America every year. Sorry. You don't know more than every law enforcement agency in America, even though you may think so. You also ignored my point about having to enter anyway. If I take you down in your driveway, your home boys are going to be sure to know. So what happens when they destroy your meth lab before I can gain entry? Now I've lost my evidence. Also now that they all know we are there they can be prepared to launch an assault when we gain entry, instead of never knowing we are coming. They would even have plenty of time to make some phone calls and get the rest of the gang there to help them. Your argument fails, and bad guys will continue to get "wake up calls" at all hours of the night. Stay in your lane - this one clearly isn't for you.

It's not that we "know more" it's that we disagree with their priorities.

They are prioritizing arrests over protection of lives and rights.

If protecting rights means that 100 criminals go free, that is a price we are willing to take. How many innocents are they willing to terrorize just to make sure they get their man ?

 

[spat]

Please reference the 50,000 cases/ year. You're clearly missing something.

We got by with none before the "war on drugs".

 

[spat]

I agree that the threshold needs to be much higher.

They are needed. I will stand by that.

Drug bust here in the Buffalo/Niagara Falls areas in the past week showed that enough for me.

The investigation was more than a year in the making.

They (LEO) from multiple departments and jurisdiction hit seven homes, three businesses, and two warehouses all at the same time.

The cash, drugs, weapons they pulled out was enough to start a small army. Not to mention the amount of paperwork that led Police to two other cities. If the knock type warrant would have been used, all evidence would have been destroyed and or good guys may have been killed.

How did this affect the supply of drugs on the street ?

Will this be more than a blip on the cost to the average junky ?

No, this raid you describe is useless. You guys might as well have stayed home.

If you want to put the drug dealers out of business there is only one way, make them compete with mega corporations. Eliminate the black market and the *all* the related criminals will be out of work permanently in months.

 

[GOPerfect]

How did this affect the supply of drugs on the street ?

Will this be more than a blip on the cost to the average junky ?

No, this raid you describe is useless. You guys might as well have stayed home.

If you want to put the drug dealers out of business there is only one way, make them compete with mega corporations. Eliminate the black market and the *all* the related criminals will be out of work permanently in months.

Not only about the drugs. Body after body frrom the turds they took down.

Stolen property, but, I don't expect all to understand.

There are many really bad people out there.

Me, I want them all gone.

 

[spat]

Not only about the drugs. Body after body frrom the turds they took down.

Stolen property, but, I don't expect all to understand.

There are many really bad people out there.

Me, I want them all gone.

So just grab all the bad guys as they do their bad stuff.

Without all the drug money they wouldn't be organized criminals, they would just be a bunch of petty crooks.

Without the drug war tying up all those resources you could actually pursue them for the real shit they are doing. Without the criminal drug enterprise holding them together they would all be on their own.

 

[Chevusa]

You sound ignorant. I guess 50,000 car stops for speeding within 5 or 10 miles of the speed limit are also needed. I guess 50,000 laws a year introduced by law makers are also needed. The way you gladly follow government without thinking for yourself is telling. You actually think that because government does something, it’s because it’s the right thing? Just look at all the no knocks that go wrong. Were they all the right thing to do?

Objecting on why they do something doesn’t mean that I know more than law enforcement. Just because someone does something, it doesn’t mean that it’s done because it’s the right thing to do.

Your argument seems to be that because it was done, it has to be right because they are the professionals and you aren’t. Listen to what you are saying.

You know as much about SWAT operations as Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You know as much about SWAT operations as Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

The responses by others to you regarding the subject and your inability to counter them proves that you don’t know what you are talking about . Nothing of what you have said makes any sense. And because you cannot logically dispute what I and others have said, you resort to statements that have nothing to do with anything.

What does knowing the innards of SWAT operations have anything to do with the usage of SWAT operations for things that aren’t imminent enough to warrant their usage? One doesn’t have to be a SWAT operator to know that they don’t have to be used for someone that was red flagged for having an arm.

 

[spat]

You know as much about SWAT operations as Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

I don't know much about running a sewage treatment plant either, but I know I don't want to live downwind of one.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I am not a judge or a cop. I guess since I’m not one, I cannot comment on this.

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