Maryland SWAT Team Serving Red Flag Warrant Shoot, Kill 21-Year-Old Man Asleep In His Bed

[Airborneguy]

I dont know shit about policing, but I dont think guns flush down the toilet very easily...

I didn’t defend this instance did I? Also, the quote of mine that you used specifically addressed a relevant instance of important evidence, that evidence not being guns.

Lets ensure our posts are clear and address that which the correct person said. That’s how we avoid fights here. Don’t just make random posts because I’m a cop. Address what I actually said.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I didn’t defend this instance did I? Also, the quite you used specifically addressed a relevant instance of important evidence, that evidence not being guns.

Lets ensure our posts are clear and address that which the correct person said. That’s how we avoid fights here. Don’t just make random posts because I’m a cop. Address what I actually said.

To your earlier posts, I definitely agree that no knock warrants have their place (albeit extremely small and rare) for example in times of imminent action or tactical need.

For example, verifiable counter terrorist action, hostage rescue etc.. these instances are very rare and should have extra options to address them.

I really don't see how no knocks can be justified in 99.99% of cases.

 

[71velle]

I didn’t defend this instance did I? Also, the quote of mine that you used specifically addressed a relevant instance of important evidence, that evidence not being guns.

Lets ensure our posts are clear and address that which the correct person said. That’s how we avoid fights here. Don’t just make random posts because I’m a cop. Address what I actually said.

This thread is about a no knock raid to find guns, apparently not other contraband.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Just my opinion which don't mean much but only thing I get from stuff like this happening is it's not going to change so my recommendation would be to reinforce your home's entry points windows doorways if you live in an apartment make it a habit of placing something heavy and bulky in front of door at least it can give you a chance of waking up and going from there ! Not because you're a criminal but because that's the type of world were living in now

 

[Airborneguy]

This thread is about a no knock raid to find guns, apparently not other contraband.

So then why quote me? I said nothing about guns. The statement you made was in line with my comment that red flag orders are not the time for no knock warrants. Why not quote that comment of mine?

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

This event is sickening.
It doesn't matter about the son. He's a distraction from the core issue.

Those police placed the lives of the woman, the mother, and the father in immediate jeopardy.
That is NOT reasonable. Not even remotely.
They even shot the woman.

When police engage in a behavior where it becomes reasonable for an onlooker to shoot all of them in the back?
The police might want to start having discussions on their perception of right and wrong. Too many are basing their actions on what they can "legally" get away with, instead of what is or is not reasonable. And it puts the good officers (like the ones we interact with, here) at risk.

 

[SomeSoldier]

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Your patronizing remarks are not needed. They are not helpful. And before you come back with "but I am serious", this post reads as dig at everyone you deem unworthy of having an opinion, because they dont have some fancy title or degree.

While I can see the need for a no knock, I think they are overused. Whatever is easiest and has the least amount of risk to political careers, them and their employees that's the method that they use regardless of safety concerns for the innocent people on the other side of that door/situation.

But I am still waiting for more information to have any thoughts on this specific situation.

 

[SomeSoldier]

If you’re doing something worthy of a judge signing off on a warrant to knock your door down in the middle of the night than you deserve whatever you get. Funny how I’ve never had my door broken down. Maybe I just don’t commit felonies.

Quoting this because I want to preserve. If it comes back that this was all for a Red Flag call or something equally as stupid. Then your point and trust for the gov to do the right thing is a pile of shit.

 

[Chevusa]

Look at what you just wrote.

Let me put it into context for you. If you do something that isn’t supposed to infringe on your right to bear arms but does according to the government against the founder’s wishes who made it clear when they wrote the 2nd Amendment, than you deserve a bullet in you while you sleep ultimately leading to your death.

That’s exactly what happened.

You are and were making a blanket statement against all SWAT raids. You have little to no facts in this particular situation.

 

[Chevusa]

Or happened to be at the wrong address when they "oops" one.

Yeah it has happened. It's the exception not the rule though. Sometimes people jump off of buildings and live. So what? If the police are in your house they will announce themselves. Comply and cooperate and when they realize their mistake you will be all set. The chances of this happening are probably lower than winning the lottery tonight. I wouldn't get all worked up over it.

 

[Chevusa]

Lol, is this dieseltech? Are you a troll? Because an agent of the gov would never lie for a warrant.. cough, fisa, cough.. and a judge would never make a mistake or let their political bias effect their decisions..

You have lost all credibility.

You scared? Paranoid? Nobody is coming for you. Relax.

 

[Chevusa]

There are plenty of instances where evidence can be destroyed quickly that would ruin a very important case, having nothing to do with the cops wanting a number. Darth is a fool, you know that.

Has he not ever seen Goodfellas?

 

[Chevusa]

Is that still your stance when it's a red-flag warrant that was obtained through the use of falsified accusations by an aggrieved third party, as in an ex-wife or other person with an axe to grind against the accused? Regardless, you just deserve what you get? Wow, just wow.

No. You are making up a fictional scenario.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Yeah it has happened. It's the exception not the rule though. Sometimes people jump off of buildings and live. So what? If the police are in your house they will announce themselves. Comply and cooperate and when they realize their mistake you will be all set. The chances of this happening are probably lower than winning the lottery tonight. I wouldn't get all worked up over it.

Unless they kill your dog or psychologically scar your kids in the process.


I'm going to be totally honest I don't know how clearly I would be thinking and reacting to a very fast situation if I was startled out of bed from my door being smashed and and lots of yelling and people running. I sure hope not, but there's a fair chance It would probably end with dead people including myself.

 

[Chevusa]

Quoting this because I want to preserve. If it comes back that this was all for a Red Flag call or something equally as stupid. Then your point and trust for the gov to do the right thing is a pile of shit.

Regardless, you still need to comply. Follow the instructions, don't create a threat and let your lawyer handle it. The SWAT team is not where you argue your side. That's what the court room is for.

 

[Chevusa]

Unless they kill your dog or psychologically scar your kids in the process.


I'm going to be totally honest I don't know how clearly I would be thinking and reacting to a very fast situation if I was startled out of bed from my door being smashed and and lots of yelling and people running. It would probably end with dead people.

But.. but... but... You're obsessing over a one in a million scenario. If it was commonplace then yes absolutely reforms would be needed. It is not.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Regardless, you still need to comply. Follow the instructions, don't create a threat and let your lawyer handle it. The SWAT team is not where you argue your side. That's what the court room is for.

I can't speak for others so I'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth. But,

My point is I am a law abiding citizen. I am not expecting the police to forcibly bust down my door and swarm into home It's pretty much the last thing I would be expecting if I was awaken by a no knock raid. I would immediately be thinking it was a home invasion and with just waking up I would have a difficult time processing why police were storming my home.

 

[Chevusa]

I can't speak for others so I'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth. But,

My point is I am a law abiding citizen. I am not expecting the police to forcibly bust down my door and swarm into home It's pretty much the last thing I would be expecting if I was awaken by a no knock raid. I would immediately be thinking it was a home invasion and with just waking up I would have a difficult time processing why police were storming my home.

Here's the good news. They won't be coming to your house. Relax, and grab a beer.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Here's the good news. They won't be coming to your house. Relax, and grab a beer.

Statistically speaking, you're almost sure to be correct.

But it's not a certainty.

Because It HAS happened to others who it should not have happened to, and it will happen to others in the future who it shouldn't happen to.


It's not a certainty because the process is over used and there is human error, lies and mistakes.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Here's the good news. They won't be coming to your house. Relax, and grab a beer.

I'd be willing to bet this guy didnt think they would be coming to his either.

I am willing to bet the baby in crib that ate the flashbang wasnt expecting it either.

I am willing to bet the guy shot dead while crawling on his hands and knees in the hotel hallway was not expecting the cops that day either.

 

[Chevusa]

Statistically speaking, you're almost sure to be correct.

But it's not a certainty.

Because It HAS happened to others who it should not have happened to, and it will happen to others in the future who it shouldn't happen to.

People also get hit by busses when crossing the street. I don't live in fear of crossing the street though.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

People also get hit by busses when crossing the street. I don't live in fear of crossing the street though.

You get to decide when is the appropriate time to cross the street. It's your destiny you are in control of your actions. When you're in your house you are supposed to be safe and secure.


@Chevusa I'll just agree to disagree at this point. I've said my opinion I don't want this thread to turn into a CF and get off on tangents.

 

[Celt]

Not only about the drugs. Body after body frrom the turds they took down.

Stolen property, but, I don't expect all to understand.

There are many really bad people out there.

Me, I want them all gone.

I want the bad people gone too. That was the main reason I wanted to be a cop in my younger years.

You scared? Paranoid? Nobody is coming for you. Relax.

Lol,

Let me guess your next comment is going to be "hey I've got nothing to hide so they can search my emails my house, Etc."

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

 

[Chevusa]

Lol,

Let me guess your next comment is going to be "hey I've got nothing to hide so they can search my emails my house, Etc."

Wrong. The point is nobody is coming to knock your door down. Enjoy your day!

 

[Chevusa]

When you're in your house you are supposed to be safe and secure.

You are.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You are and were making a blanket statement against all SWAT raids. You have little to no facts in this particular situation.

No. I said that most SWAT raids aren’t necessary unless it’s a matter of life or death like kidnappings, terroristic activities, hostage rescue, armed barricaded criminal, ect. Many cops agree with this. Many know that a person can be apprehended quite easily and safely without being tipped off without a SWAT raid on a hardened structure that endangers the life of innocent occupants in there and the police themselves.

No blanket statement there. As far as the OP, if they had evidence that he was going to commit a shooting in a few hours, then it was absolutely warranted. If there was no evidence, there absolutely is no need for a No Knock SWAT Raid. The situation wouldn’t be eminent enough. SWAT by design was created for eminent situations. It evolved from the SAS . Unfortunately it is now being abused by some departments for anything. Red flag orders, possible drug activity, ect. None of those situations are eminent.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Here's the good news. They won't be coming to your house. Relax, and grab a beer.

Every innocent person that was on the receiving end of a No Knock SWAT Raid would wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. Ask Dennis Tuttle and his wife Rhogena Nicholas.

 

[Airborneguy]

Every innocent person that was on the receiving end of a SWAT raid would wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. Ask Dennis Tuttle and his wife Rhogena Nicholas.

I get your point but I don’t think that’s the correct way to consider this aspect of raids.

Who cares if the proper perps don’t know the police are coming? Fuck them. The consideration should be that the right people are being hit every time, or else. If the right people are being hit, those people definitely shouldn’t know the police are coming.

 

[Chevusa]

Every innocent person that was on the receiving end of a No Knock SWAT Raid would wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. Ask Dennis Tuttle and his wife Rhogena Nicholas.

What about the 327 million other people who had no such thing happen? I'm not worried about it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

What about the 327 million other people who had no such thing happen? I'm not worried about it.

Yeah. And what about the hundreds if not thousands that it did happen to. If you aren’t worried, great. That doesn’t mean that the rest of us should not be concerned. As much as we talk on this forum, anyone of us can be improperly targeted based on a misconstrued post. Where the hell is Podmonkey? Posts like that can absolutely be misconstrued. An argument with a neighbor can easily turn into something like this.