Sometimes it is a simple as mixing heroin and diesel fuel, shot directly into a vein.
Horrible to see the effects in a picture, wait till you see it in real life. WOW!
Maryland SWAT Team Serving Red Flag Warrant Shoot, Kill 21-Year-Old Man Asleep In His Bed
- Thread starter PutnamCharlie
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Sometimes it is a simple as mixing heroin and diesel fuel, shot directly into a vein.
Horrible to see the effects in a picture, wait till you see it in real life. WOW!
You are putting words in my mouth and trying to bend and twist. The swatting incidents are what was quoted. You have lost your way in this thread.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Pot to kettle. Come in kettle.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
1,000,000x
You took a post directly referencing swatting incidents and inserted your narrative that because swatting is rare, so must all actual SWAT raid justification be. It has no correlation. If the sky is blue my shoes must be too! What?!
This really got dumb. Nine pages and we don’t even know what really happened yet.
And all based on a media "report"
2ndamendment report or whatever it was really isn’t even the “media”.
Toecutter
.308 Win
Agreed there may be more to this story I can’t see cops showing up and just start shooting up the house. That being said unless this guy was planning something , had explosives or an immediate threat to public safety . I can’t see how a no knock is warranted. I see the purpose of them but they need to used only under very limited circumstances, it’s not only for the resident but for the safety of police .
The police aren't forced to do it. They obviously had more information than we do and they deemed it necessary.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
I applied your logic from multiple posts in this thread that "it's rare so don't worry about it" to the main topic and reached the opposite conclusion you have been espousing.
You denigrated multiple people here with your "1 in 300 million odds" claim that anyone concerned about the abuse of no knocks was nuts because it's rare.
I pointed out that their need was rare too, and the frequency of abuse needed to be compared with the need.
You didn't seem to "get" that argument, so I turned it around on you. Now you see the point.
Shoots100
.357 mag
Knock the door in, lamp falls off table onto floor, causing the bulb to pop, pop sounds like gunfire, amped up 1st entry cries shots fired, surprised and lethargic target is getting up from couch, real shots fired, dead target.
Less than 5 seconds from door breach to target down.
No room for error, so error on the side of caution.
This is but one scenario of what could've happened.
Same as 4 seasoned NY street officers firing 41 shots in a dark hallway at a man that was dressed like a perp, but was holding his wallet, not a pistol.
Ooops.
One day we might find out what happened, until then, let's agree to disagree.
Less than 5 seconds from door breach to target down.
No room for error, so error on the side of caution.
This is but one scenario of what could've happened.
Same as 4 seasoned NY street officers firing 41 shots in a dark hallway at a man that was dressed like a perp, but was holding his wallet, not a pistol.
Ooops.
One day we might find out what happened, until then, let's agree to disagree.
Amadou Diallo ran from the cops, then after the pursuit turned and grabbed his wallet from his pocket. He wasn’t standing holding his wallet.
Shoots100
.357 mag
So 41 shots was warranted for a misidentified one year old rape case suspect ?
You childish response was predictable, they must miss you at AR15.
You childish response was predictable, they must miss you at AR15.
Well that was a confusing response. Are you talking to me or Chevusa?
96coal449
.308 Win
Chev was quoting Shoots......
Correct, but I am the only other person who mentioned Diallo.
96coal449
.308 Win
Ahhh.... it is confusing after a reread.
Bozo
.45 acp
Story was covered by local network affiliates, appeared in the NYT and WaPo as well. Department website shows a couple of handguns, a Tavor, a Saint with a long-range scope and what appears to be an Eagle Arms SBR. Rich nerd with some hi-zoot toys. The 18" Tavor model is legal in MD, but the Saint and EA are not.
Regardless of what went on in that house, this looks like the sort of "pure Safe Act" incident that many here claim would prod them into action. No criminal record, anonymous tip line lead, guy posting boogaloo memes and showing off his shit.
Toecutter
.308 Win
Another article not to much new info.
bearingarms.com
Pro-Gun Software Developer Killed In Police Raid
bearingarms.com
Appeal to Authority
Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered. Also see the appeal to false authority.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Did Maryland Police Shoot and Kill a Sleeping Man?
An initial police press release claims "firearms offenses" were involved, but now the authorities are being mum.
www.theamericanconservative.com
Maryland Man Killed in No-Knock SWAT Raid Was Shot While Asleep, Family Says
Montgomery County police say Duncan Lemp "confronted" a SWAT team executing a search warrant on his family's house. His family says he was shot in bed.
reason.com
Lawyer: Man killed by officer was asleep when police fired
An attorney says a Maryland man who was shot and killed by a police officer was asleep in his bedroom when police opened fire from outside his house
abcnews.go.com
Quite a few articles out there some with background on the victim. I can see absolutely no reason for the raid, or even for the issuance of the warrant. Reads like a government sanctioned murder to me. Disgusting.
Robin
Toecutter
.308 Win
Did Maryland Police Shoot and Kill a Sleeping Man?
An initial police press release claims "firearms offenses" were involved, but now the authorities are being mum.
Maryland Man Killed in No-Knock SWAT Raid Was Shot While Asleep, Family Says
Montgomery County police say Duncan Lemp "confronted" a SWAT team executing a search warrant on his family's house. His family says he was shot in bed.
Lawyer: Man killed by officer was asleep when police fired
An attorney says a Maryland man who was shot and killed by a police officer was asleep in his bedroom when police opened fire from outside his house
Quite a few articles out there some with background on the victim. I can see absolutely no reason for the raid, or even for the issuance of the warrant. Reads like a government sanctioned murder to me. Disgusting.
Robin
No doesn’t look good, but we will be lucky to even find out the cops name who murdered him no less actually see justice.
PutnamCharlie
6.5 Creedmoor
All I can say at this point is hopefully this has an impact on red flag laws across the states and his life being taken in such a senseless way keeps this from happening to someone else. Also the judge that issued the warrant gets disbarred for issuing a no knock warrant on someone with 0 criminal record.
Instances like this.
An Ohio gamer gets prison time over a 'swatting' call that led to a man's death | CNN
An Ohio video gamer who played a role in a hoax phone call that led police to kill a man in Kansas was sentenced Friday to 15 months in prison, authorities said.
www.cnn.com
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Without knowing any of the details, the raid was on US soil to who i assume is a US citizen and his rights have been violated. I doubt everything the police and the state has to say. They have THE BURDEN to convince me otherwise.
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Detectives assigned to the Investigative Services Bureau received an anonymous tip at the beginning of the year, indicating that Lemp was in possession of firearms. Due to his criminal history as a juvenile, Lemp was prohibited from legally possessing or purchasing firearms in the State of Maryland until the age of 30
www.mymcpnews.com
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Still waiting for all of the truth to come to light.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not for nothing but we always wait. Just like the no knock in Houston. Proved to be the wrong house then nothing. That lowlife Acevedo is still the Chief despite lies he told at the press conference. And then, nothing.
On the flip side when someone from Maryland or Pennsylvania or Illinois gets caught with a gun in the car due to a smell of marijuana with no drugs found, no one has to wait. The case is closed and the opinion is rendered. He was a perp. A low life. Scum. Ect.
On the flip side when someone from Maryland or Pennsylvania or Illinois gets caught with a gun in the car due to a smell of marijuana with no drugs found, no one has to wait. The case is closed and the opinion is rendered. He was a perp. A low life. Scum. Ect.