Maryland SWAT Team Serving Red Flag Warrant Shoot, Kill 21-Year-Old Man Asleep In His Bed

[Toecutter]

That is a different subject with a wide degree of differing opinions.

What about the mother who lost a son to an OD? She would be pushing for tougher drug laws. "If only her son could have been saved". We have now gone full circle. See how that works?

There would be less drugs sold in the street to kids . People OD due to inconsistency in the strength of drugs and other crap they are cut with . Heroine is rising because cartels took a hit with marijuana becoming legal they push a new products to make money.
Bottom line raise your kids right and they won’t be shooting junk. I’ve had a half dozen friends who have died due to drug OD on heroine and heart attacks from cocaine . One of my friends was all over the news when he died in a hospital waiting room in the Bronx a few years ago. He lived in a fucked up household with a fucked up family, I e tried to help him but he would never listen I had to distance myself from him .Their choice to do what they do. Yes it’s sad but freedom isn’t safe and it’s not easy . You make bad choices and live with them.
I’ve been around people doing all sorts of drugs and I never touched them , I really don’t even drink much , that’s a choice I made. I’ve struggled with weight all my life if I die from it I don’t expect the government to outlaw bad food.

 

[Chevusa]

My one and only opinion ..... raids should be performed as a no knock when impeding danger is upon innocent lives.

Other raids on drug labs can be successfully deployed when surveillance has been well established. Arrest the perp off premise and raid the establishment when innocents will not be compromised ...... warrants provided.

It's a very simple solution to a very complex issue. Not very realistic but I understand your opinion. There are many times multiple people who all need to be taken down at the same time, so as not to tip off the others. You can't get one guy today, the other tomorrow, the 3rd next Tuesday.... Again lots of ideas from people who don't really understand much of how it is. Just like the "the shoulder thing that goes up". Let the experts figure it out.

 

[Toecutter]

It would be nice to live in fantasy land. The founders didn't envision meth labs.

They did envision armed soldiers from the govt kicking in your door . So much so they specifically added it in the bill of rights.

 

[Chevusa]

Heroine is rising because cartels took a hit with marijuana becoming legal they push a new products to make money

So you say that legalizing pot was a bad idea? Seems like you are contradicting yourself.

 

[96coal449]

It's a very simple solution to a very complex issue. Not very realistic but I understand your opinion. There are many times multiple people who all need to be taken down at the same time, so as not to tip off the others. You can't get one guy today, the other tomorrow, the 3rd next Tuesday.... Again lots of ideas from people who don't really understand much of how it is. Just like the "the shoulder thing that goes up". Let the experts figure it out.

It is a slippery slope and largely the reason this country is failing. To end the "war on drugs," we need closed borders, end corrupted BIG PHARMA, and abolish the CIA.

 

[Toecutter]

So you say that legalizing pot was a bad idea? Seems like you are contradicting yourself.

It’s a half measure . Legalize all drugs .

 

[Chevusa]

They did envision armed soldiers from the govt kicking in your door . So much so they specifically added it in the bill of rights.

Right. That would be an illegal action by a foreign enemy. We are talking about a lawful raid.

 

[Chevusa]

It’s a half measure . Legalize all drugs .

Vote for Bernie. You may get your wish.

 

[Toecutter]

Vote for Bernie. You may get your wish.

Not the presidents choice , it’s congress that passed unconstitutional drug laws. It’s almost like we learned nothing from prohibition.

 

[Toecutter]

Right. That would be an illegal action by a foreign enemy. We are talking about a lawful raid.

Wasn’t a foreign enemy at the time we were British being oppressed by our own government.

 

[Chevusa]

Not the presidents choice , it’s congress that passed unconstitutional drug laws. It’s almost like we learned nothing from prohibition.

He will sign an executive order making all drugs legal. He has said so himself. Also, you won't have to pay for anything anymore. Congratulations.

 

[Chevusa]

Not the presidents choice , it’s congress that passed unconstitutional drug laws. It’s almost like we learned nothing from prohibition.

Just calling something unconstitutional doesn't make it so. Where does it say you have a right to use drugs? Please cite the exact text in the constitution.

 

[Chevusa]

Wasn’t a foreign enemy at the time we were British being oppressed by our own government.

The bill of rights wasn't ratified until after the war. Not even close. Like 20+ years after.

 

[Toecutter]

Just calling something unconstitutional doesn't make it so. Where does it say you have a right to use drugs? Please cite the exact text in the constitution.

Constitution doesn’t give us rights it restricts governments power. 9th amendment comes to mind. We don’t live in a democracy and congress doesn’t get to pass law on whatever they like .
Here is what congress is allowed to pass law on.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

 

[spat]

Who's "you guys"

People defending the drug war and common no knock warrants.

What happens when the postal workers drop dead from handling the package? Is that justified under your "plan"? Do you know how fentanyl works or how dangerous it is?

The same thing that happens when any other dangerous good is shipped by a reputable corporation now ?

Amazon would not be shipping pure fentanyl anyway. It would be packaged for the consumer appropriately cut down. It wouldn't be any more dangerous to the postal workers than any of the other millions of drugs that are shipped mail order now.

Fentanyl is available legally now, the restrictions on it create a black market. Most of our problems are from the black market. You cannot eliminate a black market for an in demand product with any amount of law enforcement.

 

[@thewheels]

You're implying with no evidence that police are murdering people. If it's not a justified shooting then that is wrong and they should face the music just like anyone else.

 

[spat]

Just calling something unconstitutional doesn't make it so. Where does it say you have a right to use drugs? Please cite the exact text in the constitution.

That's not how the constitution works.

It is a list of powers delegated to the government. If it's not on that list they don't get to do it.

That's why they had to ammend the constitution to ban alcohol. Where is the ammendment allowing them to ban these other drugs ?

 

[96coal449]

Someone please send me a notification if there is an update to the OP.

Thread is old now.

 

[Toecutter]

That's not how the constitution works.

It is a list of powers delegated to the government. If it's not on that list they don't get to do it.

That's why they had to ammend the constitution to ban alcohol. Where is the ammendment allowing them to ban these other drugs ?

Exactly within a short amount of time they had to amend the constitution twice due to this horrible idea that introduced not only organized crime but............ Guns laws.

 

[Chevusa]

We don’t live in a democracy and congress doesn’t get to pass law on whatever they like .
Here is what congress is allowed to pass law on.

Then you've got bigger problems than worrying about being accidentally raided in a mistake of address. Would you use such argument to get out of a speeding ticket? All laws on the books are unconstitutional in your view? I can come steal your car because congress isn't allowed to limit that?

 

[spat]

That is a different subject with a wide degree of differing opinions.

What about the mother who lost a son to an OD? She would be pushing for tougher drug laws. "If only her son could have been saved". We have now gone full circle. See how that works?

"if only her son could have been locked in prison for 20 years".

Yea, sure she's pushing for that.

How many people do you think the drug war has "saved" ? It's a lot smaller than the number it's ruined, that's for sure.

 

[spat]

Then you've got bigger problems than worrying about being accidentally raided in a mistake of address. Would you use such argument to get out of a speeding ticket? All laws on the books are unconstitutional in your view? I can come steal your car because congress isn't allowed to limit that?

Nice straw man there Tex.

I'm a little fuzzy on how you went from "the constitution only authorizes limited power to the government" to "no laws, anyone can do anything".

 

[Toecutter]

Then you've got bigger problems than worrying about being accidentally raided in a mistake of address. Would you use such argument to get out of a speeding ticket? All laws on the books are unconstitutional in your view? I can come steal your car because congress isn't allowed to limit that?

Yeah a whole lot of them are . No you can’t steal. life liberty and property . Those are the only things illegal in this world . You cant kill, steal property or tell people how to live their lives provided they aren’t doing the other two.All of which were done by our government in the original post in this topic they killed a man because they decided he can’t own something.

 

[spat]

Then you've got bigger problems than worrying about being accidentally raided in a mistake of address. Would you use such argument to get out of a speeding ticket? All laws on the books are unconstitutional in your view? I can come steal your car because congress isn't allowed to limit that?

We've got way bigger problems. No-knock raids are just a symptom of an out of control government spiraling into tyranny.

That's our real problem.

Also, what federal law is car theft ? oh, yea, it's not. They lack the authority to pass one unless it happens over state lines. Theft is almost all state laws (they have more leeway than the feds under the constitution, but are still restricted).

 

[Chevusa]

Nice straw man there Tex.

I'm a little fuzzy on how you went from "the constitution only authorizes limited power to the government" to "no laws, anyone can do anything".

I didn't say anything. I asked a question to get an idea of the thought process.

 

[spat]

I didn't say anything. I asked a question to get an idea of the thought process.

The questions seemed rhetorical. I didn't honestly think you were looking for answers, but OK.

There is no federal speed limit. The feds illegally extorted the states into imposing them. Also, the speed limits only apply on public (i.e. government owned and maintained) roads. I can drive as fast as I want on my own track.

If you steal my car the feds won't do shit. There are no federal laws broken, and they don't have the authority to pass any. The local cops will care, because here in Geneseo they don't suck.

In some other jurisdictions though they will just say "here's your report number for the insurance company, now let me get back to important work like harassing hookers"

There are many federal laws on the books that comport with the constitution. Drug laws are not on the list. The only drug laws authorized by the constitution were for the prohibition of alcohol, and we repealed that authority.

 

[Chevusa]

The questions seemed rhetorical. I didn't honestly think you were looking for answers, but OK.

There is no federal speed limit. The feds illegally extorted the states into imposing them. Also, the speed limits only apply on public (i.e. government owned and maintained) roads. I can drive as fast as I want on my own track.

If you steal my car the feds won't do shit. There are no federal laws broken, and they don't have the authority to pass any. The local cops will care, because here in Geneseo they don't suck.

In some other jurisdictions though they will just say "here's your report number for the insurance company, now let me get back to important work like harassing hookers"

There are many federal laws on the books that comport with the constitution. Drug laws are not on the list. The only drug laws authorized by the constitution were for the prohibition of alcohol, and we repealed that authority.

Got it. Now realize that the police are agents of the State. So the law shall apply and it is legal to do so. Therefore the unconstitutional argument is defeated.

 

[spat]

Got it. Now realize that the police are agents of the State. So the law shall apply and it is legal to do so. Therefore the unconstitutional argument is defeated.

What the hell does that mean ?

Are you saying all laws are constitutional because they are laws ?

 

[Chevusa]

What the hell does that mean ?

Are you saying all laws are constitutional because they are laws ?

The argument was that the feds are limited only to pass law allowed by constitution and that the state had more authority to pass the laws they wanted. It was also alleged that the search warrants were unconstitutional. The warrants are a function of the state. Therefore they are legal and acceptable by your own words. Unless you want to flip flop again.

 

[@thewheels]

The argument was that the feds are limited only to pass law allowed by constitution and that the state had more authority to pass the laws they wanted. It was also alleged that the search warrants were unconstitutional. The warrants are a function of the state. Therefore they are legal and acceptable by your own words. Unless you want to flip flop again.