Definately not in the original question but, the M1 Garand is available in 308 Winchester as well.
Most reliable Battle rifle -AR308?
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Celt
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A battle rifle is Loosely defined as a magazine-fed semi-auto in 308. My original question was for the most reliable battle rifle, AR 308. meaning an AR platform in 308, and being the most reliable in that platform.
I know there are a good number of Manufacturers making a AR's chambered in 308 nowadays. I also know the early AR-10 style rifles we're not known for being very reliable and they had a lot of problems.
But as they worked out the bugs in the early production rifles I know they improved on it, and from what I'm reading there are good reliable rifles now a days chambered 308. The question is, which one is the most reliable, and is the Aeroprecision M5 a reliable option?
I know there are a good number of Manufacturers making a AR's chambered in 308 nowadays. I also know the early AR-10 style rifles we're not known for being very reliable and they had a lot of problems.
But as they worked out the bugs in the early production rifles I know they improved on it, and from what I'm reading there are good reliable rifles now a days chambered 308. The question is, which one is the most reliable, and is the Aeroprecision M5 a reliable option?
Celt
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"who makes the most reliable AR in 308?"
This was my initial question, I don't understand how this is vague to anybody. It is as simple as it can be.
Now, if someone only read the thread title and was assuming that what I was saying was a statement rather than a question and they did not read my actual post then I can see why there could possibly be some confusion, but there was still a question mark in my thread title.
I also went on to further clarify and to be very specific in my post number 5.
Now, I appreciate all the responses as this topic was for me to gain insight, and to have an actual gun related discussion on the Forum. If my posts were confusing to anybody then I apologize, and put down the crack pipe.
A factory built Areo M5 should not have any issues. I like to run PMAGs in all of my AR 308 type rifles.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Good question Celt, Lots of good stuff here. If you fix the mag, wouldn't any of these , including the SCAR 17 be legal in this state?
Robin
Robin
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
exhale. lemme put down my crack pipe.
any modern well made AR 308 rifle will be just as reliable as the next one.
i use aero stuff. it is nice. i have had fit and finish issues. i have had shipping issues. if you search arfcom you can see a posting under aero industry about me bashing them.
that being said, i build many many. so i see issues you may not.
mega is the way to go. perfect in every way.
buy a RCA BCG. they are the best for the money IMO.
have fun.
back to my crack pipe.
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Celt
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I knew you would have the nitty-gritty on the Arrow because I know you do have a lot of arrows stuff and I know you get to shoot a lot of different guns. I appreciate the answers/info.
Celt
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That would be my expectation. Bullet guy has the best solution for fixed mags. I do a good bit of shooting where the unsafe does not apply and i practice all the magazine changes I want with a full-featured rifle. But for the times that I do need to be concerned about having a full-featured rifle, Bullet guys solution makes that null and void because it becomes a fixed mag.
Celt
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Ok, next question......
If building my own, who makes the most accurate barrel?
If building my own, who makes the most accurate barrel?
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Celt
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Well that depends. Ideally id want 3/4" groups with factory match ammo. What would that cost?
Ballistic Advantage AR10 Barrel 22
Lots of barrels to choose from you could spend anywhere from 250-900 dollars on a barrel.
Lots of barrels to choose from you could spend anywhere from 250-900 dollars on a barrel.
Celt
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It would be ideal to spend 350 or less for sub moa groups with factory ammo.
Keep in mind id still look to get a ruger pr in 6.5 for the real tac driver too.
Keep in mind id still look to get a ruger pr in 6.5 for the real tac driver too.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
$250-300
Celt
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Thats reasonable, what the best in that price range then?
ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
Not to derail the discussion, but some of the barrels have notations like "+2 gas system" (per below). Is the purpose of that to delay the extraction timing? How much potential impact would that have on accuracy?
Rainier Arms UltraMatch 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel Fluted +2 Gas System with Gas Tube - 26
Rainier Arms UltraMatch 6.5 Creedmoor Barrel Fluted +2 Gas System with Gas Tube - 26
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
No accuracy impact. It is a dwell time thing.
26 inch is really at the outter limits of a rifle gas system. And the 6.5 has lots of pressure.
ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
OK, so the idea is to allow time for the pressure to drop to reasonable levels after the bullet has left the barrel, and prior to actuating the bolt, true? The extra 2 inches of gas system is to allow additional time for the bullet to exit (what I think of as) the extra length barrel?
Generally I've seen 20" as the "optimal" barrel length for .308, is there also an "optimal" length for 6.5C? Judging from factory guns, they tend to be longer than .308.
Celt
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From what I've been reading, 24 inches is where it's at for the 6.5. For my purposes on this theoretical build I would go with an 18-inch barrel for the 3:08. You guys might see my Remington 700 up for sale soon so I can plan this project.
Prudii
.357 mag
The Remington R25 GII comes with a non threaded barrel and a fixed stock. Mine is one of the first runs made and it was manufactured by DPMS then shipped to Illion, NY for coating and assembly. Bolt a Boar grip on it and your good to go.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
20 inch is optimal for 556. Not 308.
For 6.5 is is longer than 24 for sure. That is why yhe bilt guns ate longer. Gas guns only go to 26 cause of the gas system as we are discussing. With a longer has system you could go longer.
meketrefe
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In terms of purposed built and deployed in service one that has got admiration due its reliability and accuracy
has been the LMT deployed to British troops. IMO they should have gone with a 18" barrel but as of today the
rifle has been a huge success. Much better than the Knights that started with a not so good track record.
In terms of civilian alternatives the brands do not mean much. A DPMS receiver is as good as any other one.
The receivers, buffer tubes, etc.. are secondary as they are simply a shell. Where the quality is more important
is in the barrel and BCG group that in this DI system are the beating heart of the AR design. This coupled with
a good trigger group and somewhat decent ergonomics is what makes the gun. The outside brand is not
that important. Actually sometimes people spend too much on the shell and not enough in the guts fo the
system.
In terms of accuracy out fo the box the les baer uppers are hard to beat with 1/2moa guarantee. Their
barrels and chamber/bolt work has a lot to do with it. Many swat teams have gone to them for their uppers
and rifles.
Regarding round choices the 7mm/08 is hard to beat in terms of ballistics performance. It outperforms the 308
and 6.5 calibers at any role we would expect from a AR or a bolt action.
Anything below 20 inches doesn't make too much sense. If I was going to stay below 20" I would stick to a
18" 308 upper wiht a medium profile socom barrel.
The ideal for a 7mm would be 20 or even 22" better. 6.5 calibers will do better with 24" .
Before deciding on a rifle pull out the bullet assortment and choose what bullets you would like to shoot
for what purpose and how much momentum you need at those distances. When I say momentum not to be
confused with energy, not the same thing. The bullet will answer a lot of the questions about what
do you need and why and what speeds and trajectory you need upon impact.
Then the rest is just building the gun and/or upper for that purpose in order to deliver that mail (bullet).
Sometimes things start out of fashions, styles, urges and sudden needs but if you start with the bullet and put some time into thinking, then the money on the barrel and cambering job and a few other components and training, will have a better chance to achieve your goals.
Celt, you know me. I like to make people think about the what and why before the how. When we really understand what and why the how is the easy part most of the times.
has been the LMT deployed to British troops. IMO they should have gone with a 18" barrel but as of today the
rifle has been a huge success. Much better than the Knights that started with a not so good track record.
In terms of civilian alternatives the brands do not mean much. A DPMS receiver is as good as any other one.
The receivers, buffer tubes, etc.. are secondary as they are simply a shell. Where the quality is more important
is in the barrel and BCG group that in this DI system are the beating heart of the AR design. This coupled with
a good trigger group and somewhat decent ergonomics is what makes the gun. The outside brand is not
that important. Actually sometimes people spend too much on the shell and not enough in the guts fo the
system.
In terms of accuracy out fo the box the les baer uppers are hard to beat with 1/2moa guarantee. Their
barrels and chamber/bolt work has a lot to do with it. Many swat teams have gone to them for their uppers
and rifles.
Regarding round choices the 7mm/08 is hard to beat in terms of ballistics performance. It outperforms the 308
and 6.5 calibers at any role we would expect from a AR or a bolt action.
Anything below 20 inches doesn't make too much sense. If I was going to stay below 20" I would stick to a
18" 308 upper wiht a medium profile socom barrel.
The ideal for a 7mm would be 20 or even 22" better. 6.5 calibers will do better with 24" .
Before deciding on a rifle pull out the bullet assortment and choose what bullets you would like to shoot
for what purpose and how much momentum you need at those distances. When I say momentum not to be
confused with energy, not the same thing. The bullet will answer a lot of the questions about what
do you need and why and what speeds and trajectory you need upon impact.
Then the rest is just building the gun and/or upper for that purpose in order to deliver that mail (bullet).
Sometimes things start out of fashions, styles, urges and sudden needs but if you start with the bullet and put some time into thinking, then the money on the barrel and cambering job and a few other components and training, will have a better chance to achieve your goals.
Celt, you know me. I like to make people think about the what and why before the how. When we really understand what and why the how is the easy part most of the times.
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Spirit of Resistance
.38 Special
Ruger SR762, selling on GB between 1600-1800 depending on condition and has piston gas system.
freddy
.308 Win
Are any type of mag locks available for this? Can the action be opened for mag loading?
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meketrefe
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LMT. That is why it was selected by the British Army for their service rifle.
Read about it and why. The Brits are smarter than us and on top more cost effective than the SR25.
Read about it and why. The Brits are smarter than us and on top more cost effective than the SR25.
freddy
.308 Win
Lmt is well over 9lbs(?)
Why do people want to make the AR something it's not? A SBR/pistol that's ammo sensitive... A larger caliber with a finicky gas system. Either with more expensive proprietary parts rather than the perfected and relatively inexpensive 556 carbine platform that works superbly under adverse conditions and with the crappiest ammo.
How are you going to carry as much 308 ammo as 223? So why do you want to shoot it so damn fast?
Personally IMHO I'll take traditional pistols for my pistols (a Block or 1911, whatever works), a nice AR15 carbine, and perhaps a 308 PRS rig... reliable, reasonably priced, accurate, boring because they go bang every time....
How are you going to carry as much 308 ammo as 223? So why do you want to shoot it so damn fast?
Personally IMHO I'll take traditional pistols for my pistols (a Block or 1911, whatever works), a nice AR15 carbine, and perhaps a 308 PRS rig... reliable, reasonably priced, accurate, boring because they go bang every time....
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