Muzzle Devices on Pistols in NY - SAFE Act Website Incorrect/Custom Barrels OK

[ElCid]

According to SAFE Act code, a pistol in NY is considered an assault weapon if, among other things, the pistol has a threaded barrel capable of accepting a muzzle break (brake?), flash suppressor, compensator, silencer, etc... Many of you know this already.

I'd like to simply bring up two points relating to this.

Firstly, the list on the (un)SAFE act website that lists pistols that are not considered assault weapons is NOT correct. I noticed this after seeing that both the HK USP Tactical and the HK Mark 23 were on that list. Both of those pistols come straight from the factory with threaded barrels that can accept suppressors. I called the (un)SAFE Act hotline and discussed this with one of the reps. I pointed this out to him and he confirmed that the HK USP Tactical was considered an assault weapon and he said that the list was not up to date. I also believe I heard him say that they didn't have any plans to update the list either. I wanted to point this out to prospective pistol buyers so that they aren't duped into buying something they can't leave the store with, or end up with a gun they could go to jail for.

Secondly, I then asked the gentlemen on the phone if I could theoretically have a custom barrel made which did not feature threading but had a muzzle device permanently affixed by different means, or that had the device manufactured as an integral part of the barrel. He said this was acceptable (NOTE: I still think a suppressor would be illegal even if you manufactured it into the barrel).

 

[GOYABEAN]

Kinda late for that

 

[Exonautic]

yes an integrated suppressor is still illegal to manufacture without the stamp. those integrally suppressed 10/22 barrels you see require their own stamp.

 

[MilesTeg]

There are 2 pistol compensators that are good in ny. One was the warlock and was a limited run, so they are hard to come by. There is another option and I forgot the name. I want impressed with it and mind dumped it.

 

[Exonautic]

There are 2 pistol compensators that are good in ny. One was the warlock and was a limited run, so they are hard to come by. There is another option and I forgot the name. I want impressed with it and mind dumped it.

strike industries makes one however their effectiveness is questionable.

 

[MilesTeg]

That's the one I mind dumped. Definitely not convinced it works at all.

 

[Exonautic]

That's the one I mind dumped. Definitely not convinced it works at all.

in theory i feel like it should. however i've never tried it and can also understand why it wouldn't. looking at them i think perceived recoil will be about the same, however the muzzle flip will be reduced by the design of it.

 

[MilesTeg]

I think there are pistol comps that do work just not any that are legal in this suit hole. If I lived in a free state i would love to experiment with them.

 

[Exonautic]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/06/27/strike-g4-slidecomp/
these guys seem to agree with my presumption. also, it's better than something like this.

 

[MilesTeg]

Ya frame mounted doesnt make much sense to me

 

[Exonautic]

Ya frame mounted doesnt make much sense to me

no need to modify a stock gun.
no threaded barrel restrictions.
no chance of malfunctions due to the barrel movement with the extra weight at the end.

 

[MilesTeg]

With questionable benefits if any at all. Documented high POI shifts. Let's not forget a much heavier option than barrel mounted comps. Which is what is really providing any recoil/ flip improvements.

 

[Exonautic]

With questionable benefits if any at all. Documented high POI shifts. Let's not forget a much heavier option than barrel mounted comps. Which is what is really providing any recoil/ flip improvements.

where was it that you saw them getting significant POI shifts. haven't read about that and i looked itno that specific model quite a bit.

 

[MilesTeg]

I cant remember @Edwardteach72 his thread had a bunch of reading in it. I just remembered after reading on it and the limited reviews at the time I was out until a new model came out or some better testing was done.

 

[Exonautic]

I cant remember @Edwardteach72 his thread had a bunch of reading in it. I just remembered after reading on it and the limited reviews at the time I was out until a new model came out or some better testing was done.

just checked around for that bit about the POI. saw one video of a guy giving good footage of him shooting it. yes, there is significant poi shift of about 5-7 inches at 25 yards. However, it is very consistent impact. just like anything else, if you train with it, you will be able to run it very well. it's not all over the paper which would be a major issue.

 

[MilesTeg]

To me that's enough to turn me away from the product. Having to Kentucky windage the gun for a possible recoil improvement is a loss. But I'm not sure if was just one instance or if this is a common occurance with this product.

 

[GUNSICK]

According to SAFE Act code, a pistol in NY is considered an assault weapon if, among other things, the pistol has a threaded barrel capable of accepting a muzzle break (brake?), flash suppressor, compensator, silencer, etc... Many of you know this already.

I'd like to simply bring up two points relating to this.

Firstly, the list on the (un)SAFE act website that lists pistols that are not considered assault weapons is NOT correct. I noticed this after seeing that both the HK USP Tactical and the HK Mark 23 were on that list. Both of those pistols come straight from the factory with threaded barrels that can accept suppressors. I called the (un)SAFE Act hotline and discussed this with one of the reps. I pointed this out to him and he confirmed that the HK USP Tactical was considered an assault weapon and he said that the list was not up to date. I also believe I heard him say that they didn't have any plans to update the list either. I wanted to point this out to prospective pistol buyers so that they aren't duped into buying something they can't leave the store with, or end up with a gun they could go to jail for.

Secondly, I then asked the gentlemen on the phone if I could theoretically have a custom barrel made which did not feature threading but had a muzzle device permanently affixed by different means, or that had the device manufactured as an integral part of the barrel. He said this was acceptable (NOTE: I still think a suppressor would be illegal even if you manufactured it into the barrel).

Strait from the SAFE ACT website.

Please note: This website is informational only and does not constitute legal advice

 

[Edwardteach72]

1st.... fuck the safe act

2nd...... suppressors have been illegal in New York since the 1930s

3rd....... frame mounted compensators are trash. There are off the top of my head 3 so far on the market / concepts.. Strike industries which has beyond enough evidence that the only recoil reduction comes from the weight and the terrible POI shift... sorry but if over HALF A FOOT at 25 yard isnt significant to you than you might want to rethink the term significant...

Small idea, green is Point of Aim, red is Point of Impact

The other is the one shared above that is the drawing and looks like trash, and third is new and is that dumb "stand off device" COMPENSATED GLOCK STAND OFF DEVICE

As for the W.A.R. LOC even the owner stated he doesnt have one, no clue why they are supposed to be real nice. They did just release a all new traditional style comp called the A-10 and looks to be over market price (about $12) which is a shame, but the owner says they may do a run of they LOC style system with the new comp... I may but the bullet and order one.

 

[Edwardteach72]

And hell if you plan to have the comp permanently attached to the barrel, why waste the money on a custom barrel. Get a threaded barrel, comp you want, weld that bitch on g2g

 

[Edwardteach72]

As for the MK 23, just have a gunsmith either cut off the threads or buy a non threaded barrel for it and it is good to go

 

[ElCid]

yes an integrated suppressor is still illegal to manufacture without the stamp. those integrally suppressed 10/22 barrels you see require their own stamp.

With the suppressor being banned generally in NY I thought that was the case.

 

[ElCid]

Strait from the SAFE ACT website.

Please note: This website is informational only and does not constitute legal advice

Disclaimer or no, they shouldn't knowingly keep patently false info on the website.

 

[ElCid]

And hell if you plan to have the comp permanently attached to the barrel, why waste the money on a custom barrel. Get a threaded barrel, comp you want, weld that bitch on g2g

For those who are curious, my inquiry into this matter began as I wanted to convert my HK USPc .45 to .460 Rowland. The conversion normally requires a compensator. They do, however, offer a ported option that has no threading. I was fine with that, but I wanted to double check the language of the law to ensure that muzzle devices themselves were not banned. I'd actually prefer to have them somehow permanently attach the comp without using threading. Looks better IMO and is probably more effective. Only downside is you couldn't really remove the barrel from the slide.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ported barrel for the win.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Ported barrel for the win.

Only reason I prefer a comp over ported barrels is the fact comps have side holes which help bring the gun forward .. ported barrels only direct gas up and kinda forward

 

[ElCid]

Only reason I prefer a comp over ported barrels is the fact comps have side holes which help bring the gun forward .. ported barrels only direct gas up and kinda forward

I think the comp happens to look better in the case of the USP. Thomas at .460 Rowland.com told me they may have a commercial USPc conversion on the way. For now, mine would be custom. They want $100 extra for the comp vs the ported. For that reason, and so I can still disassemble my gun, I may just go with the ported.

 

[Acer-m14]

1st FUAC ..
2nd i bought a BP navy colt revolver ..
3rd FUAC
4th i welded a silencer on it ..
FUAC

LMAO

 

[BDinPutnam]

Disclaimer or no, they shouldn't knowingly keep patently false info on the website.

Yet... they do.

Go figure.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Ported barrel for the win.

Necroing this thread because it's the only one to come up. I'm going to keep searching.

But I may tip my hat to @Willjr75 I think I just found something that has me about to go to a ported barrel over waiting for someone to give me a non threaded comp..


Uses factory slide and barrel or aftermarket they do the porting in house..

 

[GUNSICK]

That porting rough, looks like my 12 year old did it.