New Concealed Carry Training requirements
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Wow.....
Cops do not even do all of this....
Cops do not even do all of this....
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
It's all insane but the two things that really stand out to me are the written test and even crazier the part about live fire. How the hell can you pass that if you're not allowed to touch a gun until you get your permit? Not everyone grew up playing with guns/air rifles or are naturally good shooters. Also, imagine having to do even a quarter of this to vote.
Don't forget this is also required training every 3 years for those with a license already.
I did the math with some guesstimating. I used Rocheater Defense website and their classroom offerings.
They have a 3 to 4 hour class called "NY Permit Legalities and Firearm Safety" we will just say 4 hours.. it cost $60.
Well we still need 12 more hours of class time. So stick with $60 for every 4 hours that's an additional $180, add that to the above $60 for the full 16 hours. Total is now $240
Next we have to have 2 hours of live fire. So let's say $30 (being generous) Now we are at $270. But how much shooting will be done, let's make up a number and say 50 rounds of ammo, so another what $20
That brings our total to $290 for the training requirements that must be done every 3 years
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Yes. Again. Imagine having to do that every four years to vote. I'm so glad I'm out of that miserable state.
The complete stupidity of this. Reminds me of the old “hurry up and wait” aspects of when we were in the military.
Let’s see: a mandatory two hour live fire session to fire 5 rounds. That’s an average of firing one round every 24 minutes. The state is truly out of their fuckin minds…
I am pretty sure the training will go just like the Safe Driving Classes that you get to take points off your DL, or to get a discount off your car insurance. NY state insists that the course take a minimum of 8 hours. The last time I took it, the instructor was dragging her ass to make sure she took the full 8 hours. She'd put a slide up, and leave it there for all to stare at for 5 minutes, while she blabbered on and on... By the end of the 8 hours you were ready to lose your shit. I am guessing that taking a 16 hour course may result in some going postal, LOL!. Absolutely beyond reasonable.
Let’s see: a mandatory two hour live fire session to fire 5 rounds. That’s an average of firing one round every 24 minutes. The state is truly out of their fuckin minds…
I am pretty sure the training will go just like the Safe Driving Classes that you get to take points off your DL, or to get a discount off your car insurance. NY state insists that the course take a minimum of 8 hours. The last time I took it, the instructor was dragging her ass to make sure she took the full 8 hours. She'd put a slide up, and leave it there for all to stare at for 5 minutes, while she blabbered on and on... By the end of the 8 hours you were ready to lose your shit. I am guessing that taking a 16 hour course may result in some going postal, LOL!. Absolutely beyond reasonable.
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Hochul should be requiredbto cover tge legal fees for the impending lawsuits with her personal funds
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Even if you’re in the military you still have to do this training which I don’t mind just very bothersome. What’s the point of even getting a CCW in NY.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Legislation #19
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* 19. "Duly authorized instructor" means (a) a duly commissioned
officer of the United States army, navy, marine corps or coast guard, or
of the national guard of the state of New York; or (b) a duly qualified
adult citizen of the United States who has been granted a certificate as
an instructor in small arms practice issued by the United States army,
navy or marine corps, or by the adjutant general of this state, or by
the division of criminal justice services, or by the national rifle
association of America, a not-for-profit corporation duly organized
under the laws of this state; (c) by a person duly qualified and
designated by the department of environmental conservation as its agent
in the giving of instruction and the making of certifications of
qualification in responsible hunting practices; or (d) a New York state
4-H certified shooting sports instructor."
im just asking now ..
so is Training from
Rochester Defense . and all the others like @Stretz Tactical Inc. here and there not allowed ??
PS .. safe storage was already stuck down in the courts ..
"
* 19. "Duly authorized instructor" means (a) a duly commissioned
officer of the United States army, navy, marine corps or coast guard, or
of the national guard of the state of New York; or (b) a duly qualified
adult citizen of the United States who has been granted a certificate as
an instructor in small arms practice issued by the United States army,
navy or marine corps, or by the adjutant general of this state, or by
the division of criminal justice services, or by the national rifle
association of America, a not-for-profit corporation duly organized
under the laws of this state; (c) by a person duly qualified and
designated by the department of environmental conservation as its agent
in the giving of instruction and the making of certifications of
qualification in responsible hunting practices; or (d) a New York state
4-H certified shooting sports instructor."
im just asking now ..
so is Training from
Rochester Defense . and all the others like @Stretz Tactical Inc. here and there not allowed ??
PS .. safe storage was already stuck down in the courts ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Does MS13 and the Crips n Bloods and all the other NYS Gangs have to get this training . LOL ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
safe storage LOL .. remember this one LOL ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
DEA agent shoots gun in class room on gun safety . LOL ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Even I can do that and I’m not a great shot. I was seriously concerned they would make you be a bullseye master or something ridiculous. I also currently shoot from 2-3x’s that distance.
A lot of it is just bullshit though. Can I use a .22 lr pistol? I’m also glad to see it’s not for every pistol you own or something stupid like that and firing hundreds of rounds.
Disclaimer added. Still not happy about it and it will still cost a lot of money and take up a lot of my time.
A lot of it is just bullshit though. Can I use a .22 lr pistol? I’m also glad to see it’s not for every pistol you own or something stupid like that and firing hundreds of rounds.
Disclaimer added. Still not happy about it and it will still cost a lot of money and take up a lot of my time.
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I have no problems with it except for the 16 hour class length. It should be 4-6 hours, the same as your drivers education class where more people get killed by cars. There is a classroom requirement in Worstchester. The live fire training I think should be a requirement since it may allow other states to recognize NY permits. A lot of states which do not have reciprocity have the live fire requirement for their permit holders. I think that is the reason why the NYS permit has limited reciprocity but I could be wrong here.
Slacker43
.40 S&W
States don't reciprocate because ny won't reciprocate. No right should be burdened.
Accidents happen he said. Accidental discharges? So professional that he can't admit it's a negligent discharge?
Geez. What the hell was he doing when when he supposedly checked the chamber?
Guess THIS guy is the one going to teach the CCIA classes.
They will offer body armor to all participants.
I'm sure this process won't be another financial burden on those seeking to exercise their rights 
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
My other concern is now that we have this deescalation training and what not will they use this against us in the future? Well you didn’t deescalate the situation well enough or long enough so it’s not a good shooting or will that be used against you in a civil lawsuit now? This is bad all around except that for the average village idiot it’s very doable.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
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"Don't forget this is also required training every 3 years for those with a license already."
Yes but also stated that if qualified within 5 years of 2022...You are ok...usual no thought process in the czar's office in Albany
Nebowictz
.38 Special
My problem with a live-fire accuracy requirement is that by law you are not allowed to touch a handgun prior to the class. They are requiring people to demonstrate proficiency with something the first time they are using it.
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
The only people who will have to take the training to renew are those downstate. Most of the state will not be required to train to renew. This has been stated by the agencies tasked with formulating these guidelines. The difference is renew vs rectify. Downstate permits expire and must be renewed, all other permits are good for life and are just to be rectified with state police.
GTN
.308 Win
A statement from Rochester Personal Defense yesterday on their Facebook page
“Looks as if the NY State's Attorney confirmed what we suspected:
Current concealed carry license holders who live outside of NYC, Westchester, Nassau and Suffolk counties are NOT required to take the training.
Only those that live in the counties listed above will need to. That is due to their county having a "renewal" system in place.
Upstate counties do not have a renewal setup.”
“Looks as if the NY State's Attorney confirmed what we suspected:
Current concealed carry license holders who live outside of NYC, Westchester, Nassau and Suffolk counties are NOT required to take the training.
Only those that live in the counties listed above will need to. That is due to their county having a "renewal" system in place.
Upstate counties do not have a renewal setup.”
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Well we will see on that. I think after the lawsuits die down they will expand it to all NYS.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the law states if you have your permit you only need to do it once upon renewal?
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
For now……