New Whitehouse.gov Petition - Pres. Trump, please give us a legitimate 9/11 Investigation

[Jackrabbit]

Let's flip this around and ask the conspiracy theorists a question.

Theorists, why in the world would the government, who was apparently interested in killing as many people as possible and creating chaos, make the buildings fall like they were in a controlled demolition? Why would they even risk it looking like that? To leave breadcrumbs for people to figure them out? Wouldn't it make more sense to have it topple over?

With the government I would personally say the fact that it looks like a controlled demolition is enough to prove it wasn't. I know if I was planning this the last thing I would have said is "alright folks, let's figure out how to bring these down as cleanly as possible", it would have been a lot more like "let's make a fuckin mess".

I wouldn't be surprised if flight 93 was shot down. It makes complete sense to tell people that the passengers heroically brought it down rather than to say they shot it down to prevent further loss of life. Why shoot the plane down anyways, if the towers weren't really destroyed by the planes? Flight 93 posed no risk. Unless there were really terrorists on board.

They needed to completely destroy the buildings of course. And I say "they" but I have no idea if it was our government or another. But if demolitions were used to asymmetrically bring down the building (say, only destroying the levels where the planes hit so the towers would have fallen to the sides) then there would have been a risk of leaving evidence to that method behind. Bringing the buildings completely down pulverized them nearly into dust, and destroyed a lot of evidence. Not all of it though, like iron microspheres in the dust, a remnant of a thermitic reaction.

So you at least will give me that 9/11 LOOKED like controlled demolitions?

I can't find the ignore thread button (((( This is the stupidest thread I have ever seen. It's embarrassing me to be on this forum. Where are the forum's officers????

A lot of your comrades disagree: U.S. Military Officers for 9/11 Truth And thank you for your service.

I know it's frustrating to argue about traumatic things like 9/11, but at the core of things we 9/11 truthers have our hearts in the right place. We believe that evil should be punished, and we believe if 9/11 was a massively orchestrated false flag event that the perpetrators need to be brought to justice.

So let's just follow the evidence where it leads, no matter what. Hence the need for an investigation.

capitalcrew, concerning your question about why shoot down the Flight 93 if the planes really brought down the towers? I'm not denying that the planes HIT the towers. They certainly did. And they probably provided a cover for the subsequent demolition of the towers, or at least that's what I believe the evidence points to.

I don't know who was behind the attacks ultimately. If our government wasn't, then shooting down Flight 93 is pretty much SOP (standard operating procedure) given the circumstances. Heck, considering the "official story" I'm wondering why people aren't more upset that the government, by their own account anyways, did not end up shooting anything down. You would EXPECT them to do so in those conditions. And I believe that they actually did, but lied about it. The evidence supports this.

But even if some faction of our government was behind the attacks in the first place it would still make sense that the plane would be shot down. The government is hardly one cohesive unit, sharing all information at all levels and always working together. If our gov't was behind 9/11 then it was a small faction within government, not the whole thing. So it makes sense that the men and women of our armed forces would still be doing their job of protecting us and would still shoot down a threat under those conditions.

So the EXPECTED OUTCOME would have been that SOMETHING would have gotten shot down.

 

[capitalcrew]

No, I'm saying that I can understand why you would think that but I'm not conceding that it looked like anything. It looked like a building coming down.

I'm have to watch the videos again, but as far as I'm aware the buildings started their collapse where the planes hit. They hit at different floors. Were the explosives you claim were the cause placed at different heights and the planes flown into specific places in order to make that happen?

Do you think that you would rig explosives in a building you were demolishing in the exact same way if it had a plane flown into it, and if it hadn't? If so, you're high. If not, how do you explain being able to calculate the damage from the plane hitting at the exact floor that it did so they could adjust the explosives correctly?

 

[Marine Cpl]

So the NYPD, NYSP, and FDNY investigators who lost hundreds of their own brothers, sisters, and friends were in on the cover up as per the request of the Federal Government?

When they found trace amounts of explosive residue they simply destroyed it for the greater good.

Are you saying that the government's reason for using explosives to topple down the towers rather than leaving them up to destroy airplane evidence was so great that they decided it was worth the risk in factoring in these outside agencies with hopes that they wouldn't spill the beans when they stumbled upon the explosive signatures?

 

[Robin]

 

[Marine Cpl]

I wear a tin foil hat. You cannot convince me that Sandy Hook happened like they said it happened but this about the explosives is ridiculous.

 

[Truebeliever]

Now you are saying that they shot down United 93?

It would have made the administration look better if they had shot it down. That one is a no go. Too many cell phone conversations backing up what happened. Too much radar coverage. Too many military who couldn't get an air CAP up in time. The passengers tried to retake the plane. .

It's insulting to take away what those people did.

As far a snow on the ground and wreckage?

Every report I ever heard off says it's constant with a plane crash.

As far as admitting it looked like a controlled demo. Exactly why it's doesn't fit conspiracy theories. It's a lot easier to get a building to fall than do a controlled implosion. It takes weeks of prep to do a controlled implosion. Weeks.

 

[Jackrabbit]

Do you think that you would rig explosives in a building you were demolishing in the exact same way if it had a plane flown into it, and if it hadn't? If so, you're high. If not, how do you explain being able to calculate the damage from the plane hitting at the exact floor that it did so they could adjust the explosives correctly?

You don't find it odd that the ENTIRE towers were pulverized pretty much into dust? That there was no difference between floors that had been burning and those lower down? I think the damage from the planes was irrelevant, I believe that explosives were set to destroy the support structure on every floor, which would take the tower down regardless of where the plane hit.

So the NYPD, NYSP, and FDNY investigators who lost hundreds of their own brothers, sisters, and friends were in on the cover up as per the request of the Federal Government?

When they found trace amounts of explosive residue they simply destroyed it for the greater good.

Are you saying that the government's reason for using explosives to topple down the towers rather than leaving them up to destroy airplane evidence was so great that they decided it was worth the risk in factoring in these outside agencies with hopes that they wouldn't spill the beans when they stumbled upon the explosive signatures?

Iron microspheres aren't visible with the naked eye. Unless you knew what you were looking for and specifically went and looked for it, you'd miss it. And there never was a real 9/11 investigation. After all, everybody saw what happened, right? RIGHT? So no, I'm not accusing our good men and women working cleanup at the scene of anything. Also, you guys seem to think I'm accusing our government of pulling 9/11 off. I have no idea about that and have never asserted it. I am sure they didn't tell us the whole truth about that day and how those three towers came down though. NIST's computer models of the collapses were absolute fabrications.

To the commenter who mentioned it would take significant time to wire the towers for demolition. Yes. Yes it would. It was likely done during the elevator renovations done in the WTC complex a few months prior to 9/11 as I mentioned previously.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You don't find it odd that the ENTIRE towers were pulverized pretty much into dust? That there was no difference between floors that had been burning and those lower down? I think the damage from the planes was irrelevant, I believe that explosives were set to destroy the support structure on every floor, which would take the tower down regardless of where the plane hit.



Iron microspheres aren't visible with the naked eye. Unless you knew what you were looking for and specifically went and looked for it, you'd miss it. And there never was a real 9/11 investigation. After all, everybody saw what happened, right? RIGHT? So no, I'm not accusing our good men and women working cleanup at the scene of anything. Also, you guys seem to think I'm accusing our government of pulling 9/11 off. I have no idea about that and have never asserted it. I am sure they didn't tell us the whole truth about that day and how those three towers came down though. NIST's computer models of the collapses were absolute fabrications.

To the commenter who mentioned it would take significant time to wire the towers for demolition. Yes. Yes it would. It was likely done during the elevator renovations done in the WTC complex a few months prior to 9/11 as I mentioned previously.

No to your first comment.

The NYPD isn't looking for explosive signatures with the naked eye. Be real dude. It isn't a beat cop from the 77th Precinct named Rocco from Brooklyn that says" You's guys! I'm gonna find it!" doing it. They have forensic and explosive teams that do not use the naked eye.

 

[Jackrabbit]

Doubt that the NYPD ever had jurisdiction, something that big.

 

[spat]

Doubt that the NYPD ever had jurisdiction, something that big.

Look, you're talking to a group of people who are eagerly awaiting the new spring line of headwear from Alcoa, and we're not buying the "controlled demolition" thing. Even if you're right you're not going to get far with it with anyone more rational than the flat earthers.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I am willing to listen to a lot of interesting stories, conspiracies etc....


9-11 isn't one of them. Its not a conspiracy.

 

[Defilade]

You don't find it odd that the ENTIRE towers were pulverized pretty much into dust? That there was no difference between floors that had been burning and those lower down? I think the damage from the planes was irrelevant, I believe that explosives were set to destroy the support structure on every floor, which would take the tower down regardless of where the plane hit.



Iron microspheres aren't visible with the naked eye. Unless you knew what you were looking for and specifically went and looked for it, you'd miss it. And there never was a real 9/11 investigation. After all, everybody saw what happened, right? RIGHT? So no, I'm not accusing our good men and women working cleanup at the scene of anything. Also, you guys seem to think I'm accusing our government of pulling 9/11 off. I have no idea about that and have never asserted it. I am sure they didn't tell us the whole truth about that day and how those three towers came down though. NIST's computer models of the collapses were absolute fabrications.

To the commenter who mentioned it would take significant time to wire the towers for demolition. Yes. Yes it would. It was likely done during the elevator renovations done in the WTC complex a few months prior to 9/11 as I mentioned previously.

Exactly, This is not caused by a idiotic "Pancake Theory" How does Concrete get destroyed to dust along with Massive Steel I-Beams being propelled 150 yards away from the tower in the first 4 seconds of free fall. That Building was blown the hell up! Just the law of Physics debunks the "Official Story". If you were to take a baseball and dropped it off the tower it would fall and hit the ground in about 8-9 secs due to NO resistance. The Pan-cake theory where there was a lot of resistance from floor to floor, it would have not come down at free-fall speed.

9/11 conspiracy gets support from physicists’ study

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Doubt that the NYPD ever had jurisdiction, something that big.

You can't hide something this big with so many people needing to be involved and a particpant. Wayyy too many loose ends. And you couldn't just kill everyone off either.

 

[Robin]

I'm still waiting for the truth behind WWII.
Robin

 

[Truebeliever]

Doubt that the NYPD ever had jurisdiction, something that big.

The NYPD/FBI have a the joint terrorist task force with multiple agencies.

The joint task force has the lead in most of it. Every department had its experts there. Experts from all over flew in to examine the rubble. One to investigate and two, to learn. Hundreds of teams from other departments sent their explosive/arson investigation teams to OK bombing to investigate and learn. Bomb teams actually go to each other's investigations to learn what is happening in the real world and be able to recognize that method/pattern of bomb making if it comes there way.

Hundreds of NYPD cops have trade center lung who were not at ground zero because they were the ones who searched the rubble of the building when it was transported to the Staten Island landfill and sorted thru it for evidence and human remains.

Cops from New Jersey and upstate as well as downstate are coming down with trade center lung from their involvement.

Hundreds of different departments were on scene from all over the state and the country. They didn't have jurisdiction either but were directly involved.

Jurisdiction has nothing to do with this one. Just like a disaster scene. Numerous agencies appear and get the job done. Jurisdiction has little to play it unless there is a pissing match until after its over.

 

[Truebeliever]

Exactly, This is not caused by a idiotic "Pancake Theory" How does Concrete get destroyed to dust along with Massive Steel I-Beams being propelled 150 yards away from the tower in the first 4 seconds of free fall. That Building was blown the hell up! Just the law of Physics debunks the "Official Story". If you were to take a baseball and dropped it off the tower it would fall and hit the ground in about 8-9 secs due to NO resistance. The Pan-cake theory where there was a lot of resistance from floor to floor, it would have not come down at free-fall speed.

9/11 conspiracy gets support from physicists’ study

The pancake theory not only fits that is exactly what happened.

Do you think one of the few survivors might have seen the "explosives" you mention ? Or even the explosion?

People actually survived the collapse. People were on those floors moments before the collapse. Some were talking on their phones just as the collapse happened. Firemen and NYPD's Moria Smith were on their radios as the building came down and died.

Even at a controlled collapse, it is not the explosives that cause the dust storm but the building collapse in on itself and crushing its own concrete with its weight.

Other examples of this dust storm is at mine collapses as well as earthquake collapses

 

[pjzwtl]

I'm still waiting for the truth behind WWII.
Robin

Wait what we all no it was filmed on a set in the hills over LA......oh wait that was MASH

 

[FrankenCub]

I find a lot of the whole day seems out of sorts but WTC 1&2 being demo'd I don't agree with. They fell as stated. Not that the jet fuel melted the beams, because it doesn't burn hot enough. Jet fuel is much like kerosene, I can run it in my truck as a replacement for diesel, it's not some magic fuel. But it did burn hot enough to weaken the beams, which it only needs to do to one floor. Everything above that floor will be one huge demo ball.

WTC 7 as far as I'm concerned looked demo'd and I haven't seen irrefutable proof that it wasn't. If I remember correctly, much of WTC7 was empty already.

Flight 93, I gotta agree with the passangers taking control of it. There was an interview later on with a AF pilot saying they were going to shoot it down but it was already down before they reached it.

The Pentagon looks a bit fishy to me because the photos I seen didn't show any signs of those big ass GE engines slamming into the building, I don't care how you wrap it those wings will not fold back as completely as claimed. Physics rules every time. Those engines would have separated from the wings before being folded back.

What makes things seem fishy to me, wasn't it just the day before they casually released that 3 or so trillion dollars went missing? It would seem a good time to release that info if certain players in the government knew 9/11 was going to happen meanwhile any info pertaining to the missing money would have been in WTC7 and that section of the Pentagon.

Maybe my hat isn't tight enough though. But I'm sure certain players know more than we'll ever know. As for that petition, lmao, good luck with that. They wont force any president to look at anything. Already shown that with how many petitions Odumbo recycled.

 

[Defilade]

The pancake theory not only fits that is exactly what happened.

Do you think one of the few survivors might have seen the "explosives" you mention ? Or even the explosion?

People actually survived the collapse. People were on those floors moments before the collapse. Some were talking on their phones just as the collapse happened. Firemen and NYPD's Moria Smith were on their radios as the building came down and died.

Even at a controlled collapse, it is not the explosives that cause the dust storm but the building collapse in on itself and crushing its own concrete with its weight.

Other examples of this dust storm is at mine collapses as well as earthquake collapses

Pancake theory would not make concrete into dust and propel massive steel beams 150 yards away from the structure. Smoke some more crack!

 

[holdover]

Margaret Cronin Fisk
National Law Journal
September 17, 2001

Additional details emerged Friday about the effect of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center on investigations being conducted by the New York offices of the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, both of which were housed in the building.

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom.

The EEOC said documents from about 45 active cases were missing and could not be easily retrieved from any backup system. One of these cases was a sexual harassment charge filed on Sept. 10 against Morgan Stanley, one of the prime corporate victims of the World Trade Center disaster

"Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."

9/11: Wall Street, SEC files lost in WTC 7 collapse

Salomon Smith Barney 1,202,900 0–6, 13, 18–46 Financial Institutions
Internal Revenue Service Regional Council 90,430 24, 25 Government
U.S. Secret Service 85,343 9,10 Government
American Express Bank International 106,117 7, 8, 13 Financial Institutions
Standard Chartered Bank 111,398 10, 13, 26, 27 Financial Institutions
Provident Financial Management 9,000 7, 13 Financial Institutions
ITT Hartford Insurance Group 122,590 19–21 Financial Institutions
First State Management Group 4,000 21 Insurance
Federal Home Loan Bank 47,490 22 Financial Institutions
NAIC Securities 22,500 19 Insurance
Securities & Exchange Commission 106,117 11, 12, 13 Financial Institutions
New York City Office of Emergency Management

Salomon Smith Barney
27 Salomon Smith Barney, Standard Chartered Bank
26 Salomon Smith Barney, Standard Chartered Bank
25 Internal Revenue Service, Department of Defense, Central Intelligence Agency
24 Salomon Smith Barney, Internal Revenue Service Regional Council
23 Salomon Smith Barney, New York City Office of Emergency Management

13 Salomon Smith Barney, Provident Financial Management, American Express Bank International, Securities & Exchange Commission, Standard Chartered Bank
12 Securities & Exchange Commission
11 Securities & Exchange Commission
10 U.S. Secret Service, Standard Chartered Bank
9 U.S. Secret Service
8 American Express Bank International
7 American Express Bank International, Provident Financial Management

Tenant Square Feet Floor Industry
Salomon Smith Barney 1,202,900 GRND,1-6,13,18-46 Financial Institution
IRS Regional Council 90,430 24, 25 Government
U.S. Secret Service 85,343 9,10 Government
C.I.A. N/A N/A Government
American Express Bank International 106,117 7,8,13 Financial Institution
Standard Chartered Bank 111,398 10,13,26,27 Financial Institution
Provident Financial Management 9,000 7,13 Financial Institution
ITT Hartford Insurance Group 122,590 19-21 [Insurance]
First State Management Group, Inc 4,000 21 Insurance
Federal Home Loan Bank 47,490 22 Financial Institution
NAIC Securities 22,500 19 Insurance
Securities & Exchange Commission 106,117 11,12,13 Government
Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt

[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions. [Online Journal]

The one major tenant of WTC 7 was Salomon Smith Barney (SSB), the company that occupied 37 of the 47 floors in WTC 7. A little discussed fact is that Rumsfeld was the chairman of the SSB advisory board and Dick Cheney was a board member as well. Rumsfeld had served as chairman of the SSB advisory board since its inception in 1999. According to the financial disclosures he made in his nomination process, during the same period Rumsfeld had also been a paid consultant to the Director of Central Intelligence, George Tenet. Rumsfeld and Cheney had to resign from their CIA and SSB positions in 2001 when they were confirmed as members of George W. Bush’s cabinet.The SEC lost many important documents when the building was destroyed, including much of what was needed to effectively prosecute Enron and WorldCom.

There are a lot of things about 911 that people do not know about.

Building 7, was not hit by an airplane. Building 7 was not doused with jet fuel , Building 7 was across the street from the towers , it was partially damaged on its face with the possibility of 1-2 of its 97 coulums compromised. It did not have its fireproofing blown off , and burned for appox 7 hours when it collapsed by a simultaneous failure of all 97 coulums at once. even areas not burned by fire. The fire moved from place to place burning new fuel and leaveing areas burnt out as it traveled . It did not stay in one place . nor did it ever reach complete engulfment of the floors at any one time. partial collaspes would have been expected if the fire reached temperatures hot enough to compromise the steel . there were no partial collapses during the day . The fire was asymmetrical , being on various floors, various times, various places , and created a perfecting timed symmetrical collapse of all the columns. this collapse can never be reproduced in model , because its impossible to reproduce.


But like I said before if you want to know what happened on 911 don't look at the buildings for proof . that's the red herring .everything is gone. nothing can be tested , and the government concluded it has done noting wrong.

 

[holdover]

The pancake theory cannot explain how the center columns collapsed. the floors rip themselves from the supporting walls and inner columns and falls one upon another sheering the floor below it and separating it from the outside and inside columns, The columns did no nor could not collapse upon them selves once the weight of floors have been detached from them .

 

[Truebeliever]

Wait what we all no it was filmed on a set in the hills over LA......oh wait that was MASH

Lmao, but capercorn one was a great recreation of the moon landing. Oh, wait. I just opened up Pandora's box.

 

[Truebeliever]

Margaret Cronin Fisk
National Law Journal
September 17, 2001

Additional details emerged Friday about the effect of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center on investigations being conducted by the New York offices of the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, both of which were housed in the building.

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom.

The EEOC said documents from about 45 active cases were missing and could not be easily retrieved from any backup system. One of these cases was a sexual harassment charge filed on Sept. 10 against Morgan Stanley, one of the prime corporate victims of the World Trade Center disaster

"Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."

9/11: Wall Street, SEC files lost in WTC 7 collapse

Salomon Smith Barney 1,202,900 0–6, 13, 18–46 Financial Institutions
Internal Revenue Service Regional Council 90,430 24, 25 Government
U.S. Secret Service 85,343 9,10 Government
American Express Bank International 106,117 7, 8, 13 Financial Institutions
Standard Chartered Bank 111,398 10, 13, 26, 27 Financial Institutions
Provident Financial Management 9,000 7, 13 Financial Institutions
ITT Hartford Insurance Group 122,590 19–21 Financial Institutions
First State Management Group 4,000 21 Insurance
Federal Home Loan Bank 47,490 22 Financial Institutions
NAIC Securities 22,500 19 Insurance
Securities & Exchange Commission 106,117 11, 12, 13 Financial Institutions
New York City Office of Emergency Management

Salomon Smith Barney
27 Salomon Smith Barney, Standard Chartered Bank
26 Salomon Smith Barney, Standard Chartered Bank
25 Internal Revenue Service, Department of Defense, Central Intelligence Agency
24 Salomon Smith Barney, Internal Revenue Service Regional Council
23 Salomon Smith Barney, New York City Office of Emergency Management

13 Salomon Smith Barney, Provident Financial Management, American Express Bank International, Securities & Exchange Commission, Standard Chartered Bank
12 Securities & Exchange Commission
11 Securities & Exchange Commission
10 U.S. Secret Service, Standard Chartered Bank
9 U.S. Secret Service
8 American Express Bank International
7 American Express Bank International, Provident Financial Management

Tenant Square Feet Floor Industry
Salomon Smith Barney 1,202,900 GRND,1-6,13,18-46 Financial Institution
IRS Regional Council 90,430 24, 25 Government
U.S. Secret Service 85,343 9,10 Government
C.I.A. N/A N/A Government
American Express Bank International 106,117 7,8,13 Financial Institution
Standard Chartered Bank 111,398 10,13,26,27 Financial Institution
Provident Financial Management 9,000 7,13 Financial Institution
ITT Hartford Insurance Group 122,590 19-21 [Insurance]
First State Management Group, Inc 4,000 21 Insurance
Federal Home Loan Bank 47,490 22 Financial Institution
NAIC Securities 22,500 19 Insurance
Securities & Exchange Commission 106,117 11,12,13 Government
Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt

[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions. [Online Journal]

The one major tenant of WTC 7 was Salomon Smith Barney (SSB), the company that occupied 37 of the 47 floors in WTC 7. A little discussed fact is that Rumsfeld was the chairman of the SSB advisory board and Dick Cheney was a board member as well. Rumsfeld had served as chairman of the SSB advisory board since its inception in 1999. According to the financial disclosures he made in his nomination process, during the same period Rumsfeld had also been a paid consultant to the Director of Central Intelligence, George Tenet. Rumsfeld and Cheney had to resign from their CIA and SSB positions in 2001 when they were confirmed as members of George W. Bush’s cabinet.The SEC lost many important documents when the building was destroyed, including much of what was needed to effectively prosecute Enron and WorldCom.

There are a lot of things about 911 that people do not know about.

Building 7, was not hit by an airplane. Building 7 was not doused with jet fuel , Building 7 was across the street from the towers , it was partially damaged on its face with the possibility of 1-2 of its 97 coulums compromised. It did not have its fireproofing blown off , and burned for appox 7 hours when it collapsed by a simultaneous failure of all 97 coulums at once. even areas not burned by fire. The fire moved from place to place burning new fuel and leaveing areas burnt out as it traveled . It did not stay in one place . nor did it ever reach complete engulfment of the floors at any one time. partial collaspes would have been expected if the fire reached temperatures hot enough to compromise the steel . there were no partial collapses during the day . The fire was asymmetrical , being on various floors, various times, various places , and created a perfecting timed symmetrical collapse of all the columns. this collapse can never be reproduced in model , because its impossible to reproduce.


But like I said before if you want to know what happened on 911 don't look at the buildings for proof . that's the red herring .everything is gone. nothing can be tested , and the government concluded it has done noting wrong.

Okay building seven had fuel pool up from the connections between the buildings.

People were in the building less than hour before its collapse. You could not place enough explosive for a controlled implosion in that amount of time. Why would they make it an implosion at that point.

Here is building that wasn't in jet fuel yet look at the damage


Deutsche Bank Building - Wikipedia

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Fireproofing in the buildings is a spray on material which only "buys time" unlike other materials like those in the Empire State Building or older structures. Similiar "fireproofing " is used in row houses but unlike brick, it holds for a time then gives way. Once that happens the fireproofing is gone.

The heat weakens steel structures and such frame collapses happen in non concrete steel framed buildings .

These were among many. Oh, wait . Guilani was in the towers before collapse because ?

Hurricane Katrina destroyed evidence in thousands of criminal cases. Maybe someone used their weather machine?

Again, the amount of explosives and time prep wasn't there. People where in the building.
The companies you list is why WTC was targeted. They wanted to hurt us economically and thought it would perphaps bring down the financial sector.

As far as all the evidence destroyed. If explosives were used, there would have been residue on some of the survivors and surviving structures. If they wrre still finding body parts 10 years later, thre would have been residue on part of the structure. Again you are in an area outside your expertise. They were testing those materials for everything to determine why and how fast the steel structure failed when it did. Including to determine if substandard materials were used.

Again, conspiracy types will never believe what ever a another new investigation will determine until they get the answer they want.

This was thee most investigated disaster of all time. Remember the billion dollar lawsuits and every lawyer looking for someone new to sue. The government, the media and every nut job.

Think about it with fresh eyes from that perceptive. Think about it. There are still lawsuits working its way thru the courts.

 

[Defilade]

You could not place enough explosive for a controlled implosion in that amount of time

What time? Heck if this was planned, the building could have been rigged months before.

The pictures you posted looks like week scaffolding on a building WTF...lol

 

[Truebeliever]

Pancake theory would not make concrete into dust and propel massive steel beams 150 yards away from the structure. Smoke some more crack!

Look at the picture yourself . That is a perfect picture of the pancake. Did you see a explosive " flash". Do you know how much explosive it would take to throw a steel beam that far as opposed to the pressure caused by 1000s of tons of weight of upper structure. Physics my friend , Physics. And a controlled explosion is used to create a pancake effect on those type of demolition jobs.
Again that is what causes the dust plumes and not the explosions themselves. The controlled explosions take out its suppports and let the building weight turn in on itself

 

[Truebeliever]

What time? Heck if this was planned, the building could have been rigged months before.

The pictures you posted looks like week scaffolding on a building WTF...lol

You could have except one big problem. People work there. The amount of explosives would be very apparent and in the way. Propositioning wouldn't get it around the right pillars and rigged correctly. And prepositioning gives to much chance of discovery and premature dentition . And you have people who were explosive experts who worked in that building and bomb dog teams that would come in and out of the secret service offices

 

[4excal]

Being I avoided this whole thread do to the polarizing effect it will have between members.. I can't resist any longer. NO, I didn't read through all these paragraphs of explanations, and not gonna..because this was not a conspiracy. This has to be one of the most comical conspiracy theories out there.. I mean really, like the departments are going to decimate all of their best people and deal with clean up and lawsuits all because it was a government conspiracy? If I had to say that it was a conspiracy and the talk of the controlled explosions, then I'd guess I'd say the ONLY reason was to bring the buildings straight down like a proper demolition, and not let them topple over and cause more death and destruction (tagging @GOYABEAN )but that would be my only reason of putting controlled demolition with Twin towers in same sentence.

 

[Defilade]

Many witnesses said there were multiple explosions which makes perfect sense because that is the way it came down. Concrete will not turn to dust by fire in a couple seconds period! Here are the professionals/experts speaking of it.

 

[holdover]

Okay building seven had fuel pool up from the connections between the buildings.

False. please provide any evidence of it . Including NIST reports.

People were in the building less than hour before its collapse. You could not place enough explosive for a controlled implosion in that amount of time. Why would they make it an implosion at that point.

Your mistaken, The building was evacuated within an hour, the original triage post was there that had to be moved, the fire dept never entered building 7 .

Here is building that wasn't in jet fuel yet look at the damage


Deutsche Bank Building - Wikipedia

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Fireproofing in the buildings is a spray on material which only "buys time" unlike other materials like those in the Empire State Building or older structures. Similiar "fireproofing " is used in row houses but unlike brick, it holds for a time then gives way. Once that happens the fireproofing is gone.

I agree with that

The heat weakens steel structures and such frame collapses happen in non concrete steel framed buildings .

I agree with that

These were among many. Oh, wait . Guilani was in the towers before collapse because ?

I don't know? how does that matter?

Hurricane Katrina destroyed evidence in thousands of criminal cases. Maybe someone used their weather machine?

Yes it was Darth! Im sure it was more like killing two birds with one stone

Again, the amount of explosives and time prep wasn't there. People where in the building.
The companies you list is why WTC was targeted. They wanted to hurt us economically and thought it would perphaps bring down the financial sector.

You assume it all happened on one day , that the prep time wasn't there because it would have taken weeks That's a fallacy , It may have taken place after hours by maintenance crew for weeks. Giving me the benefit of the doubt for a minute , would you send in a team at the last minute to demo the building? Of course not , Would you assume any professionals would do it this way? The argument of not having enough time is not even an argument at all . that's not how anybody would do it.

As far as all the evidence destroyed. If explosives were used, there would have been residue on some of the survivors and surviving structures. If they wrre still finding body parts 10 years later, thre would have been residue on part of the structure. Again you are in an area outside your expertise. They were testing those materials for everything to determine why and how fast the steel structure failed when it did. Including to determine if substandard materials were used.

You are assuming that the government would indict itself for crimes against humanity , Do you seriously believe they are going to arrest themselves??? WTF? any evidence of explosives would have been destroyed . and in fact according to the 911 commission were never even tested for!!!! the reason they gave is because none was thought to be present.

Again, conspiracy types will never believe what ever a another new investigation will determine until they get the answer they want.

This was thee most investigated disaster of all time. Remember the billion dollar lawsuits and every lawyer looking for someone new to sue. The government, the media and every nut job.

Think about it with fresh eyes from that perceptive. Think about it. There are still lawsuits working its way thru the courts.

 

[holdover]

true believers will always except that ridiculous conclusion the government would indict itself for crimes . that the government will tell the truth , and that the government is not capable . the government would openly reveal information that they had committed a crime.

All the evidence of 911 is gone. there is no point in arguing about it . demolitions cannot ever be proven without the physical evidence to back it up which no longer exists. we are only arguing theories, its pointless . I will say this , there is no way on earth that a asymmetrical fire caused a symmetrical collapse . Never, Not under any conditions can that ever be shown to be true and that is required to believe a fire collapsed 97 columns at the same time.