That's not the point.
The point is same rules for all. No separate classes. No exemptions.
Especially politicians.
New York Proposes Banning Defensive Body Armor (S9407)
- Thread starter Phazer
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That's not the point.
The point is same rules for all. No separate classes. No exemptions.
Especially politicians.
Steel rifle targets are never an option.
Cost is moot tbh.. RMA can cost less.
The multi hit argument is also moot. Ceramics and other real body armor IS multi hit rated (if you actually buy certified armor, which if you are buying armor for anything other than make believe, you should be buying NIJ certified)
And cool steel can take thousands of rounds, won't be much use when you are dead from spawling.. and no your spray on truck bed liner is not "protection"
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
I own one of these Concealable Body Armor | Concealable Body Armor Vest. Have had it for several years now. Very seldom put it on.
If I have to start wearing it for protection, then no NYS law is going to stop me.
If I have to start wearing it for protection, then no NYS law is going to stop me.
I also believe all legit body armor companies are required to post their failures on their site. I’m pretty sure Hesco has theirs named “Corrective Action Advisory”.
Shady enough for me to opt out, I deleted that link.
I sill stand by steel is still junk, get something better.
Steel is trash, not even worth it to waste your time anymore. Steel targets that people strapped to their chest only flourished because early on when getting armor was becoming more popular, there weren’t as many budget friendly options so someone got the great idea and said hey “We shoot at steel plates all day and they’re bulletproof…let’s just use those!”. Now that there are companies like RMS who produce budget Lvl IV plates like the 1155’s, steel targets with bedliner are obsolete.
Not all Hesco’s are bad and haven’t failed the standards, but I agree that it does make me weary of them as well. No matter what company you use, they will always have failures, it’s bound to happen, Hesco just so happened to have quite a few which is a little unsettling, though I have a friend on Las Vegas swat and they all run Hesco 3810’s. On some of the models, Hesco was pushing the limits of material mass and trying to cut weight and make them as lightweight as possible, but when you’re doing that it’s bound to happen that you’re right on the edge of failure.
Some other companies to check out Velocity Systems, Tencate, LTC, RMA, AT Armor. Tencate manufacturers the plates for Velocity Systems and AT Armor. That happens quite a bit in the armor business. These companies aren’t the most “well known” because they’re no plastering their names all over social media and making themselves flashy but they are some of the best in the business and usually are the ones with contracts. They are also a little trickier to look up and research, but it’s doable.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Or you could do what I am going to do. Just attend the training course and get a security guard license. Nothing in it says you have to be actively employed by someone as such .
And someone should point out to these idiot lawmakers that some of these active shooters were employed as security guards.
I shouldn't have to do that though to be able to have the option to buy equipment to protect myself
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
What's that process look like? How hard / expensive is it to get it?
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
So i've been reading the revisions of the bill, and from what I'm seeing here it's related to sale or purchase, but does not mention possession. Does this mean ownership is not going to be prohibited?
It's bullshit regardless, but I need to understand what impact this has on existing owners.
It's bullshit regardless, but I need to understand what impact this has on existing owners.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Existing owner here. Don't care.
More to the point, is there a provision regarding "straw purchases"?
I have family in free States, and a birthday coming up.
More to the point, is there a provision regarding "straw purchases"?
I have family in free States, and a birthday coming up.
It doesn't even say you yourself can't buy it out of state and bring back and possess in NY.
It only prohibits sales in the peoples republic of NY to peasants
Celt
.338 Win Mag
It would be another expenive case but thats the point. The leftists throw shit at the wall to see what sticks because it costs them nothing and it costs the citizens millions of dollars and years in agonizing litigation to restore stolen rights. This is a flaw in our system.
Any time a legislature votes in a Law that is later struck down as unConstitutional, each and every politician that voted to pass it is fired, loses their pension, and is subject any and all lawsuits brought by people who were "harmed" by that illegal law.
And if that illegal law results in a death, the politician gets hanged.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Its a pain in the butt. So is the LEOSA requal. Unlike LEOSA, everyone has the same opportunity to jump thru the same hoops.
However, I don’t think it would stand up to s court challenge.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It depends if a regular security license is enough or it has be a armed security license. Basically, there are plenty of places that offer the required training and required yearly refresher. Different places different prices
pshift
.338 Win Mag
also aplies to 30 round mags as well...
Cavalry
.308 Win
Passed the Senate. They are having a grand old time rubber stamping almost everything before them today.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Yep. It’s a done deal.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Friends too.More to the point, is there a provision regarding "straw purchases"?
I have family in free States, and a birthday coming up.
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
Bill text:
Section 1. The penal law is amended by adding two new sections 270.21 and 270.22 to read as follows: § 270.21 Unlawful purchase of a body vest. A person is guilty of the unlawful purchase of a body vest when, not being engaged or employed in an eligible profession, they knowingly purchase or take possession of a body vest, as such term is defined in subdivision two of section 270.20 of this article. This section shall not apply to individuals or entities engaged or employed in eligible professions, which shall include police officers as defined in section 1.20 of the criminal procedure law, peace officers as defined in section 2.10 of the criminal procedure law, persons in military service in the state of New York or military or other service for the United States, and such other professions designated by the department of state in accordance with section one hundred forty-four-a of the executive law.
According to NY penal code:
codes.findlaw.com
A BODY VEST is a bullet-resistant soft body armor providing, as a minimum standard, the level of protection known as threat level I which shall mean at least seven layers of bulletresistant material providing protection from three shots of one hundred fifty-eight [158] grain lead ammunition fired from a .38 caliber handgun at a velocity of eight hundred fifty [850] feet per second.
So, it would appear, that plate armor remains legal.... as long as the plate carrier itself is not bullet resistant to NIJ level I.
Section 1. The penal law is amended by adding two new sections 270.21 and 270.22 to read as follows: § 270.21 Unlawful purchase of a body vest. A person is guilty of the unlawful purchase of a body vest when, not being engaged or employed in an eligible profession, they knowingly purchase or take possession of a body vest, as such term is defined in subdivision two of section 270.20 of this article. This section shall not apply to individuals or entities engaged or employed in eligible professions, which shall include police officers as defined in section 1.20 of the criminal procedure law, peace officers as defined in section 2.10 of the criminal procedure law, persons in military service in the state of New York or military or other service for the United States, and such other professions designated by the department of state in accordance with section one hundred forty-four-a of the executive law.
According to NY penal code:
New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 270.20 | FindLaw
New York Penal Law PEN NY PENAL Section 270.20. Read the code on FindLaw
codes.findlaw.com
A BODY VEST is a bullet-resistant soft body armor providing, as a minimum standard, the level of protection known as threat level I which shall mean at least seven layers of bulletresistant material providing protection from three shots of one hundred fifty-eight [158] grain lead ammunition fired from a .38 caliber handgun at a velocity of eight hundred fifty [850] feet per second.
So, it would appear, that plate armor remains legal.... as long as the plate carrier itself is not bullet resistant to NIJ level I.
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Nebowictz
.38 Special
So buying level 3 and 4 hard rifle plates is legal - but it will now be illegal to buy a soft level 3A panel for your child's backpack. Way to go NY, always using critical thinking to make our kids safer.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Relax, just by the plastic plates instead of Kevlar-lol
pshift
.338 Win Mag
Yup.