New York Suspends Pistol Permitting, Shuts Down Remington in Response to COVID-19

[@thewheels]

Yes since 2010!

Wrong!

Since 1868

 

[Cleck]

I think they do that in Delaware County. I may be wrong.

Say what you want about permits, but eliminating the coupon trip and just adding it at the dealer and having it in the system (like it is now, right?) seems more efficient to me

 

[nortatoga]

Wrong!

Since 1868

You keep believing that!

 

[@thewheels]

You keep believing that!

And you and all the hack black robes since keep being wrong

Why can't you accept that corruption made the 14th tits on a bull?

 

[Marine Cpl]

He supports tyranny. He slurps up perverse decisions from corrupt men in black robes as if that is what the Founding Fathers intended. The Founding Father’s own quoted words no matter what party they were from go against any of those decisions rendered by these hacks.

He is for gun control. Plain and simple. That’s why he takes it personally and tries to fight tooth and nail here to defend infringements.

 

[@thewheels]

He supports tyranny. He slurps up perverse decisions from corrupt men in black robes as if that is what the Founding Fathers intended. The Founding Father’s own quoted words no matter what party they were from go against any of those decisions rendered by these hacks.

He is for gun control. Plain and simple. That’s why he takes it personally and tries to fight tooth and nail here to defend infringements.

The process is righteous but the product isn't?

 

[nortatoga]

And you and all the hack black robes since keep being wrong

Why can't you accept that corruption made the 14th tits on a bull?

Was the Bill of Rights Meant to Apply to the States? | Tenth Amendment Center

Most people have never read the preamble to the Bill of Rights. In fact, a lot of people don’t even know it includes one.

tenthamendmentcenter.com

Chief Justice John Marshall was an unapologetic advocate for national power, but he explains the limits of the Bill of Rights beautifully in his opinion in Barron v. Baltimore.

The constitution was ordained and established by the people of the United States for themselves, for their own government, and not for the government of the individual states. Each state established a constitution for itself, and in that constitution, provided such limitations and restrictions on the powers of its particular government, as its judgment dictated. The people of the United States framed such a government for the United States as they supposed best adapted to their situation and best calculated to promote their interests. The powers they conferred on this government were to be exercised by itself; and the limitations on power, if expressed in general terms, are naturally, and, we think, necessarily, applicable to the government created by the instrument. They are limitations of power granted in the instrument itself; not of distinct governments, framed by different persons and for different purposes.
If these propositions be correct, the fifth amendment must be understood as restraining the power of the general government, not as applicable to the states. In their several constitutions, they have imposed such restrictions on their respective governments, as their own wisdom suggested; such as they deemed most proper for themselves. It is a subject on which they judge exclusively, and with which others interfere no further than they are supposed to have a common interest.

Interestingly, when James Madison introduced the Bill of Rights to Congress, he proposed that the equal right of conscience, freedom of the press and the right to a trial by jury should also apply to the states.

I wish also, in revising the constitution, we may throw into that section, which interdicts the abuse of certain powers in the state legislatures, some other provisions of equal if not greater importance than those already made. The words, “No state shall pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, &c.” were wise and proper restrictions in the constitution. I think there is more danger of those powers being abused by the state governments than by the government of the United States. The same may be said of other powers which they possess, if not controuled by the general principle, that laws are unconstitutional which infringe the rights of the community. I should therefore wish to extend this interdiction, and add, as I have stated in the 5th resolution, that no state shall violate the equal right of conscience, freedom of the press, or trial by jury in criminal cases; because it is proper that every government should be disarmed of powers which trench upon those particular rights.

Congress explicitly rejected applying those particular amendments to the states, making it abundantly clear that the Bill of Rights was only intended to limit federal power.

Many will agree with this analysis, but argue that the 14th Amendment changed all that and incorporated the protections included in Bill of Rights on state governments.

And yes I left the last sentence!

Now who has the power to use the 14th Amendment to incorporate the BOR's on the States? Are the State Legislators in all States going to do it themselves?

 

[BDinPutnam]

Maybe thread title needs to be updated.

 

[@thewheels]

Now who has the power to use the 14th Amendment to incorporate the BOR's on the States? Are the State Legislators in all States going to do it themselves?

huh? Scotus certainly doesn't have the power.
There's nothing in the amendment or the constitution that gives them the authority to selectively incorporate anything. Period.
It's something they conjured up and just because they've managed to get away with it while legislators overlooked it for their own agendas, doesn't make it lawful/legal/constitutional.
It's corruption looking the other way when it sees other corruption.

 

[nortatoga]

huh? Scotus certainly doesn't have the power.
There's nothing in the amendment or the constitution that gives them the authority to selectively incorporate anything. Period.
It's something they conjured up.

So you would be Okay if they did nothing? That is also in their power!

 

[@thewheels]

So you would be Okay if they did nothing? That is also in their power!

Yes please.
However altruistic or evil their intentions, it's not constitutional. Nation of laws or banana republic.
If scotus gets away with it, no wonder legislators care less about the power grabbing laws they make and pass.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Was the Bill of Rights Meant to Apply to the States? | Tenth Amendment Center

Most people have never read the preamble to the Bill of Rights. In fact, a lot of people don’t even know it includes one.

tenthamendmentcenter.com

Chief Justice John Marshall was an unapologetic advocate for national power, but he explains the limits of the Bill of Rights beautifully in his opinion in Barron v. Baltimore.


Interestingly, when James Madison introduced the Bill of Rights to Congress, he proposed that the equal right of conscience, freedom of the press and the right to a trial by jury should also apply to the states.


Congress explicitly rejected applying those particular amendments to the states, making it abundantly clear that the Bill of Rights was only intended to limit federal power.

Many will agree with this analysis, but argue that the 14th Amendment changed all that and incorporated the protections included in Bill of Rights on state governments.

And yes I left the last sentence!

Now who has the power to use the 14th Amendment to incorporate the BOR's on the States? Are the State Legislators in all States going to do it themselves?

And what does all that dribble mean? Absolutely nothing in regards to whether the BOR applies now in NY. So why argue it? What drives your thirst to always bring up whether it applied in the past or didn’t apply?

Your passionate drive to dwell on whether it applied or not in the past is sick. Only someone who wished that it didn’t apply now would behave like this. It’s telling based on how you display infringements in bold red on your signature like it’s something to cherish and your repeated statements in all threads of how it didn’t apply in the good old days according to you.

 

[nortatoga]

Yes please.
However altruistic or evil their intentions, it's not constitutional. Nation of laws or banana republic.
If scotus gets away with it, no wonder legislators care less about the power grabbing laws they make and pass.

Plain and simple prove you a have a Constitutional right to CCW!

 

[redtail]

Statists gonna state. Deeply.

 

[Bustedknees]

My kid just handed his permit papers in last week. Wanted to see how long the process was going to take but no point in doing so now..

 

[tc556guy]

Nearly all offices are closed in the Counties.

This is nothing more than sensational news.

Police department personal are shrunk down, they are the people that handle the background checks. The workforce shut down has effected nearly all branches of local governments.

Most PD's have taken on extra duties, this, argue if you want, is not really essential.

What would be great, won't happen, if when this is over, the process is streamlined.....

One of my Schuyler customers tells me that that county somehow shifted purchase coupons to being an on-line thing that the buyer simply prints out. during the current crisis.
if one county can do that, I don't see why others can't, if indeed the stumbling block for current transfers is the signed coupon, then how is Schuyler getting around that.
Inquiring minds want to know.....
As far as the clerical staff, I believe that they're still working in the office in some counties.
I guess accepting paperwork through the window is deemed hazardous? I dunno.....

 

[GOPerfect]

One of my Schuyler customers tells me that that county somehow shifted purchase coupons to being an on-line thing that the buyer simply prints out. during the current crisis.
if one county can do that, I don't see why others can't, if indeed the stumbling block for current transfers is the signed coupon, then how is Schuyler getting around that.
Inquiring minds want to know.....
As far as the clerical staff, I believe that they're still working in the office in some counties.
I guess accepting paperwork through the window is deemed hazardous? I dunno.....

Erie County does not have these coupons that you speak of. Not sure what they are exactly. We just take the receipt of the purchase to the PP office and they print a new card.

Some of the clerks are still working, mostly just paperwork catch up. Most of the Judges are off as well, so new permits can't even be looked at.

 

[tc556guy]

Erie County does not have these coupons that you speak of. Not sure what they are exactly. We just take the receipt of the purchase to the PP office and they print a new card.

Some of the clerks are still working, mostly just paperwork catch up. Most of the Judges are off as well, so new permits can't even be looked at.

Here, buyer takes bill of sale to the pistol permit office. Gun gets added to the permit and buyer is given a coupon to take back to the dealer, who keeps the coupon as part of the transfer paperwork.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Plain and simple prove you a have a Constitutional right to CCW!

Since my accurate post got deleted, I’ll respond again.

Did the 2A say, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms OPENLY, shall not be infringed.”

It’s a simple yes or no answer. If your answer is yes that a description of a particular method of bearing is described in the clause, then we do not have a right to carry concealed and you are correct.

 

[spat]

The thing all you constitutional scholars fail to acknowledge is that it does not grant these rights. It was written to protect pre-existing rights.

It recognizes that we are endowed with these rights by our creator.

If it is not the source of the rights, then it cannot be used as the source of the authority to infringe them. Plainly an infringement of those rights can only be authorized by the creator that endowed us with them.

The various levels of government have proven that they have the power to order almost any infringement they desire. That doesn't mean they have the authority.

It also means that as a practical matter you need to be very careful if you intend to stray outside of what they have authorized. But, while you may have a legal obligation to obey their orders, you do not have a moral one.

 

[redtail]

The thing all you constitutional scholars fail to acknowledge is that it does not grant these rights. It was written to protect pre-existing rights.

It recognizes that we are endowed with these rights by our creator.

If it is not the source of the rights, then it cannot be used as the source of the authority to infringe them. Plainly an infringement of those rights can only be authorized by the creator that endowed us with them.

The various levels of government have proven that they have the power to order almost any infringement they desire. That doesn't mean they have the authority.

It also means that as a practical matter you need to be very careful if you intend to stray outside of what they have authorized. But, while you may have a legal obligation to obey their orders, you do not have a moral one.

Mark Levin is that you ?

 

[Shadow2]

Their should have been a lawsuit filed today over this.

 

[Acer-m14]

Their should have been a lawsuit filed today over this.

GOA and a few Others are working on just this now .. they are sending out notices and other things in the works .. the NRA is silent so far except for there announcement of backing a anti gun guy now ..

 

[Grimscale]

Erie County does not have these coupons that you speak of. Not sure what they are exactly.

Unless something has changed since I last added a pistol...

In Orleans County they have what is called a "pre-purchase coupon". This is a document you can keep with you that states you may receive a newly purchased pistol from a dealer/ffl before having it added to your permit. When you purchase the pistol you hand this coupon over to the dealer and take your new gun home that day. You then go to the County Clerk on YOUR time to have that pistol added to your permit.
Yes, the unwritten rule is that you take that pistol home immediately and not carry it about until it IS on your permit, but it significantly streamlines the process.
I have used these coupons when purchasing pistols at gun shows so I don't have to then travel to wherever the vendor's store is located at a later time.