Now Trumps a sell out and bans bump stocks.

[Curmudgeon]

And but but I keep giving the NRA money

Fool me once...

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Darth]

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We so got national reciprocity now though!

 

[Saltwater60]

Not defending this BS ban but our system of gov doesn’t work like that. The president isn’t a dictator and can’t make the legislature do anything regardless of what party controls it. And It sucks but no big 2A win would get past a Senate filibuster between the dems and the RINOS it would be DOA.

As for the DOJ I don’t want depts to be able to policy my rights regardless of who is in the White House

And it really sucks that our only real hope is more pro 2A (pro constructionist) judges on the bench and only time will tell if he picked well

The only thing the president pushed for 2a wise was theirs and red flag laws. He never really pushed for National ccw after his campaign. Now he’s backing down on the boarder wall and going to sign criminal justice reform. Seems like he’s switching sides to me.

 

[S&W Fan]

@GOPerfect Bump stocks are inanimate pieces of plastic which, on their own, do nothing. They are no more a "firearm" than politicians are "servants of the public". They are an accessory that effectively mimic Jerry Michulek's right finger.

They’re gonna have to cut off Jerry’s finger now

 

[pjzwtl]

The only thing the president pushed for 2a wise was theirs and red flag laws. He never really pushed for National ccw after his campaign. Now he’s backing down on the boarder wall and going to sign criminal justice reform. Seems like he’s switching sides to me.

You will get no argument from me there.

 

[pjzwtl]

And yet the president DEMANDED that the ATF reclassify bump stocks as machine guns...

Which I believe I addressed further down in my post

“As for the DOJ I don’t want depts to be able to policy my rights regardless of who is in the White House”

 

[nortatoga]

We so got national reciprocity now though!

60 Votes?

 

[Edwardteach72]

60 Votes?

Sarcasm

Remember its bump stocks for HR 38

just like machine guns for FOPA

 

[Curmudgeon]

Sarcasm

Remember its bump stocks for HR 38

just like machine guns for FOPA

Is FOPA like FUPA?

 

[nortatoga]

Sarcasm

Remember its bump stocks for HR 38

just like machine guns for FOPA

Were bump stocks banned by the Senate and the House with a law? Which has a better chance of being overturn in the Courts a Regulation banning or a passed Law banning?

 

[Edwardteach72]

Were bump stocks banned by the Senate and the House with a law? Which has a better chance of being overturn in the Courts a Regulation banning or a passed Law banning?

I was explaining why he said what he said.

Let me guess 4D chess from trump huh? This was his plan the whole time

 

[Edwardteach72]

 

[Edwardteach72]

Were bump stocks banned by the Senate and the House with a law? Which has a better chance of being overturn in the Courts a Regulation banning or a passed Law banning?

Here is a weird fucking idea. Follow me cause it's hard for people to grasp..

Alt. Universe, Trump is actually Pro 2A

And the house and Senate pass some bill banning bump stocks.

Trump, as PRESIDENT can veto it and tell them to fuck off.


But 498271^6 chess

 

[nortatoga]

I was explaining why he said what he said.

Let me guess 4D chess from trump huh? This was his plan the whole time

They were going to get banned one way or another! Would you rather see a bill go to the Senate and hope Trump could Veto it and have it not get over-ridden ( It will for sure pass in the new House!)

 

[Edwardteach72]

They were going to get banned one way or another! Would you rather see a bill go to the Senate and hope Trump could Veto it and have it not get over-ridden ( It will for sure pass in the new House!)

So you just dont want to openly admit you are one of the "4d chess" guys huh?

 

[nortatoga]

So you just dont want to openly admit you are one of the "4d chess" guys huh?

So you think it would withstand a Veto Over-ride?

 

[subsonic]

I don't "care" about bump stocks either but I do care about a regulatory agency rewriting the law and banning a previously approved device without compensation. The question now is who is going to step up and sue the ATF?

The 'right' way to ban bump stocks, if it was, would be for Congress to pass a law and either grandfather in those in circulation, or if they decided to go the lovely route of confiscating private property, buying them back at fair pre-ban value. This is a regulatory taking and if it's not afoul of the 2nd amendment it's afoul of the 5th.

It takes very little imagination to extend this to a future administration coming for our Ruger 10/22s. Washington state voters declared them evil assault weapons in the last election and made them expensive and onerous to own, essentially creating a registry.

 

[Edwardteach72]

So you think it would withstand a Veto Over-ride?

There wouldn't be a veto, trump isn't pro 2A

 

[nortatoga]

There wouldn't be a veto, trump isn't pro 2A

Here is a weird fucking idea. Follow me cause it's hard for people to grasp..

Alt. Universe, Trump is actually Pro 2A

And the house and Senate pass some bill banning bump stocks.

Trump, as PRESIDENT can veto it and tell them to fuck off.


But 498271^6 chess

So as I said they were going to be banned one way or another!

 

[Edwardteach72]

So as I said they were going to be banned one way or another!

And the legal way would expose the RHINOS or even reopened the machine gun registry

And not open up the doors for the atf to rewrite laws and other shit that you apologist seem to overlook

 

[nortatoga]

And the legal way would expose the RHINOS or even reopened the machine gun registry

And not open up the doors for the atf to rewrite laws and other shit that you apologist seem to overlook

Why the need for insults?

I quite sure we know who the Rhino's are!

Now the NFA of 68 was passed as a Law not an ATF Regulation.

National Firearms Act - Wikipedia

 

[Edwardteach72]

Why the need for insults?

I quite sure we know who the Rhino's are!

Now the NFA of 68 was passed as a Law not an ATF Regulation.

National Firearms Act - Wikipedia

The NFA started in 1934

Reagan in 1986 with the advice of the NRA signed the Hughes amendment banning any new manufacturing and sales of "machine guns" to the civilian market, only allowing the transfers of already registered guns.

And as you pointed out '68 was passed as a law and not the ATF doing. And yet here we are watching the ATF rewrite a law to include bumpstocks and what's this they arent the legislative branch..

So no insults at all you are making excuses and validating Trump and the NRA complete disregard for not only the 2nd amendment but others as well

 

[nortatoga]

The NFA started in 1934

Reagan in 1986 with the advice of the NRA signed the Hughes amendment banning any new manufacturing and sales of "machine guns" to the civilian market, only allowing the transfers of already registered guns.

And as you pointed out '68 was passed as a law and not the ATF doing. And yet here we are watching the ATF rewrite a law to include bumpstocks and what's this they arent the legislative branch..

So no insults at all you are making excuses and validating Trump and the NRA complete disregard for not only the 2nd amendment but others as well

Regulations and Laws are to different things! And I'm not at all making excuses, Again these were going to be banned by a ATF regulation or a act of Congress! Regulation can be overturned much easier the a Law! Do I think it will happen NO! And as was asked before do you really think that Bump-stocks are protected under the 2A?

 

[Edwardteach72]

What proof do you have that Congress would have passed it?

And no they are now illegal BY LAW not regulation

 

[Edwardteach72]

So you are ok with magazine bans?

 

[Saltwater60]

They were going to get banned one way or another! Would you rather see a bill go to the Senate and hope Trump could Veto it and have it not get over-ridden ( It will for sure pass in the new House!)[/QUOT

I want the government to follow the law and do things properly.
If they want to ban bump stocks yes they need to pass a bill in the house and senate none of this Blackfoot bullshit. Then there is a process it imeither passes or fails. If passes it can be put to the test of constitutional law, as this can.

How does the department of justice just decide after all these years and ruling that they were not machine guns that now since president trump says they are machine guns that now they are. How does that happen.

It’s like Obama signing an executive order on daca and trump signing an executive order stopping daca. One was allowed to crest daca, but the other can’t wnd it? How does that happen. All these bullshit work around a need to end.

 

[DaveM4P99]

Yeah guys this is bad whether or not you "like" bump stocks or not. This is only the beginning of a slippery slope.

 

[pjzwtl]

Now what’s to stop the ATF to rule AR’s with a trigger pull less then 10 lbs are illegal to attempt to thwart the belt loop bump? Silly yes but possible.
After all we need to protect you from yourself.

 

[nortatoga]

What proof do you have that Congress would have passed it?

And no they are now illegal BY LAW not regulation

And what proof do you have that Congress would not have?