NYPD confiscation

[libertysnake]

A rifle is not a firearm.

True, but I wasn't sure how it applied as far as the city went. I had assumed mere possession was a crime.

 

[libertysnake]

The problem is because most cops do so, they are in that position. Now imagine if all cops said, "no!" Every single one of them. Every single one of the new ones too. It'll never happen but nonetheless it could like I would hope it would if it ever got to Nazi Germany type infringements.

That's basically what Missouri just did. A big "fuck you" to the current law federally.

I agree with your previous post it is complicated as it opens a Pandora's if the feds are viewed as ball-less. (Although maybe it'll force them to crack down on rogue governors and federal violations at the state level overall.)

 

[Mosinitis]

The easy answer is don’t put someone in a position to make that choice.

Those “tragic” examples happen all to often where the cop cuts a break to the person and it comes back to haunt him. Not all involving firearms.

The officers didn’t search the house for a gun. The wife put them in that spot . He put them in that spot.

Imagine if airborne got that “job “ and was canned for not taking the rifle. Who do you think they would replace him with. Probably someone who would search for those guns etc etc.

If the guy had renewed permit, he probably would still have the gun especially if Airborne has responded to the job. Many others would have taken the gun for safekeeping even with the permit.

I agree with your first sentence. If he didn't register his rifle in a first place, he would still have it. It wasn't the wife who told them about the rifle. They came back for it later after investigation showed he had a rifle which was registered in the past.

 

[Airborneguy]

Incorrect. Again.

 

[Mosinitis]

Incorrect. Again.

I stopped trusting your inside information when you posted he has a chance to get his rifle back. You can fool others, you are not going to fool me.

 

[Acer-m14]

will just have to wait for the photo op photos / vid of them handing the gun back to him ..

 

[Airborneguy]

I stopped trusting your inside information when you posted he has a chance to get his rifle back. You can fool others, you are not going to fool me.

I don’t care.

I keep responding to you only because it has egged you on to post further false info which it seems mostly everyone here recognizes is the case.

PS, can’t fool a fool so I don’t plan to try. Lol

 

[Airborneguy]

“The victim stated that there was a hunting rifle in the house and the offenders license to have it has been expired for years. She further stated she would feel more comfortable if it was not in the house any longer.”

I don’t have to assume and lie. I can read the reports.

I’d post a picture of the narrative but we have perps who frequent this forum.

 

[Mosinitis]

If you say so. You have a few cheerleaders here, but most people don't buy your stories.

 

[nortatoga]

“The victim stated that there was a hunting rifle in the house and the offenders license to have it has been expired for years. She further stated she would feel more comfortable if it was not in the house any longer.”

I don’t have to assume and lie. I can read the reports.

I’d post a picture of the narrative but we have perps who frequent this forum.

Read the report and you believe your Lying Eyes LOL!!!!

 

[Airborneguy]

If you say so. You have a few cheerleaders here, but most people don't buy your stories.

The best part of this whole discussion is that you know so little of what you speak that you don’t even realize that any scenario besides the one that actually happened would have required a search warrant to find and remove the firearm.

 

[Mosinitis]

The best part of this whole discussion is that you know so little of what you speak that you don’t even realize that any scenario besides the one that actually happened would have required a search warrant to find and remove the firearm.

Not really, once they knew it was there, they could have pressed her or him to admit it and surrender the rifle.

 

[subsonic]

I’m always going to be willing to remove a firearm from a DV household when the camera the cop hating public demanded we wear records someone in that household saying, “He has an illegal gun.” No one will ever convince me that makes me an “oathbreaker”.

By “DV household” you mean you dispatched for a “domestic.” As a cop you know that had there been any probable cause that any crime had been committed they would have had to make an arrest in a domestic violence incident. There was no arrest, hence there was no “domestic violence.” The only “crime” here was possessing a hunting rifle, which wasn’t used in the incident. You assume someone in the house voluntarily uttered the words “illegal guns.” Impossible that a cop asked if there were any weapons in the house and then did some fishing to check their status?

Domestic Violence officers don’t come to the house for the initial call. This was a visit conducted because the home has documented incidents of domestic violence.

Even if this were true, and I don’t believe it, why does the fact that my neighbors called the cops on me more than once mean they should confiscate my guns? That’s like red flag squared.

She mentioned the gun, no cop initiated this. No cop is going to lose their job over two idiots who rat on each other and will likely stay together afterwards as well. They’re not wrong here, 100% regardless of what any of you say.

Do you have inside information? Edit: I see you quoted a police report that wasn’t in the media so you were using “inside information.” But it could have gone another way regardless. Makes no difference.

Also do you have any idea how many cops lose their job and livelihood to words of an unfaithful, lying whore? One who “feels unsafe?”

Also, classy with the “likely stay together” bit. Its great when cops and social workers get to decide that if a married couple has a shouting match, regardless of circumstances and who is at fault, they should get a divorce and split up the house and kids. You wonder why our society is fucked?

 

[subsonic]

Those “tragic” examples happen all to often where the cop cuts a break to the person and it comes back to haunt him. Not all involving firearms.

So a cop is cutting a break when they respond to a call, find no crime has occurred and they don’t make an arrest or seize property?

That’s not Bloomberg standards, that’s banana republic standards.

The officers didn’t search the house for a gun. The wife put them in that spot . He put them in that spot.

You have no idea what happened so you should probably stop talking. Here is a realistic scenario that plays out all the time.

Neighbor hears shouting (maybe just the wife spazzing out; shouting is not a crime), is annoyed, calls cops.

Cops show up to “investigate.” Husband and wife say it’s fine, go away. Cops now say (probably bluffing) that they need to start cooperating, if nothing happened they should talk, if they don’t cooperate then they will have to make an arrest; maybe arrest both of them. Cops either find the expired gun in the computer (“We know you have a gun, where is it? If you just tell me where it is there won’t have to be any trouble, otherwise,” clinks handcuffs) or uses pressure and interrogation to ask the wife about guns in the house.

Cops still don’t have any evidence of domestic violence OR ANY CRIME, but they now have a gun they can seize and ticket.

Even if the wife called the cops and said “my husband is mean and had an unregistered rifle,” guess what? HE still didn’t put the cops in that situation. SHE did and it is his gun that is seized and him who is charged for it.

With gun rights advocates like you guys, who needs enemies in New York? Y’all should be stoked about red flag laws.

 

[Airborneguy]

By “DV household” you mean you dispatched for a “domestic.” As a cop you know that had there been any probable cause that any crime had been committed they would have had to make an arrest in a domestic violence incident. There was no arrest, hence there was no “domestic violence.” The only “crime” here was possessing a hunting rifle, which wasn’t used in the incident. You assume someone in the house voluntarily uttered the words “illegal guns.” Impossible that a cop asked if there were any weapons in the house and then did some fishing to check their status?


Even if this were true, and I don’t believe it, why does the fact that my neighbors called the cops on me more than once mean they should confiscate my guns? That’s like red flag squared.


Do you have inside information? Edit: I see you quoted a police report that wasn’t in the media so you were using “inside information.” But it could have gone another way regardless. Makes no difference.

Also do you have any idea how many cops lose their job and livelihood to words of an unfaithful, lying whore? One who “feels unsafe?”

Also, classy with the “likely stay together” bit. Its great when cops and social workers get to decide that if a married couple has a shouting match, regardless of circumstances and who is at fault, they should get a divorce and split up the house and kids. You wonder why our society is fucked?

I’m not assuming anything. I have access to and read the relevant reports. Due to that major discrepancy, I don’t see the need to respond to any of your other statements.

I really don’t care what you believe or not, but being a Domestic Violence supervisor in an adjoining precinct for 4 years, I know a little more about how this works here than you do. We don’t respond to the initial calls. Believe whatever the fuck you want. Doesn’t change anything and I’m still right.

 

[Airborneguy]

I just read the two above posts fully and honestly, they're worse than Moisonitis’s.

 

[Airborneguy]

Goperfect, I may send you the home visit tomorrow when I get back to work so you can laugh at everyone’s mental gymnastics with me.

There’s some other stuff in there you’ll like which I’m not at liberty to say due to the perps who post here.

 

[Mosinitis]

BTW, I am not a perp and I am not a cop hater. Many of my friends are cops. When similar conversations come up, they are very honest about what's going on in the real world. I don't need to know your job better than you to raise BS flag.

 

[Airborneguy]

First, if I thought YOU were a perp, I’d say that. There are perps who post here. I did not say you are one of them.

Secondly, if you think I being dishonest, tell me straight up so I can block you.

That’s a bold accusation and I’ve no interest in ever interacting with someone who thinks that of me. The quote I posted is directly from the home visit documentation filed in regards to this case. Period, 100%. If you think I am lying put that in writing so I can block you. In person I’d fight over such an accusation but we obviously cannot do that.

I don’t talk out of my ass here. When I am not stating an opinion, I make that clear. I am no longer stating opinions here as I have reviewed the paperwork. That’s a statement of fact.

 

[subsonic]

BTW, I am not a perp and I am not a cop hater. Many of my friends are cops. When similar conversations come up, they are very honest about what's going on in the real world. I don't need to know your job better than you to raise BS flag.

Cops just love it when you know your rights and don’t cooperate. They love it when “perps” don’t “rat” on each other and they don’t get to go off to officer.com to laugh about their latest collar. But don’t worry, they have inside information about their colleague’s report and they know it’s all good.

I’m friends with cops too and I don’t envy most of their jobs. What I don’t respect is the city cop attitude of profiling people and stomping on their constitutional rights. Like frisking men down, finding a folding knife and getting a “collar” and putting yourself on the back that you sent a “perp” who was minding his own business off to Riker’s for a knife from Home Depot. The inside info said that guy was nasty and had it coming too.

 

[Mosinitis]

First, if I thought YOU were a perp, I’d say that. There are perps who post here. I did not say you are one of them.

Secondly, if you think I being dishonest, tell me straight up so I can block you.

That’s a bold accusation and I’ve no interest in ever interacting with someone who thinks that of me. The quote I posted is directly from the home visit documentation filed in regards to this case. Period, 100%. If you think I am lying put that in writing so I can block you. In person I’d fight over such an accusation but we obviously cannot do that.

I don’t talk out of my ass here. When I am not stating an opinion, I make that clear. I am no longer stating opinions here as I have reviewed the paperwork. That’s a statement of fact.

The report wouldn't say what pressures she was subjected to. I know about gun related incident where the wife was told if she doesn't rat on her husband, they both are going to jail and children will go into Forster care. Things like this are not put into reports. You talk like you have some kind of special status here. Get over yourself, you are not all that important.

 

[Airborneguy]

I’m no longer interested in your opinion on extraneous matters or what further information you think may be missing. I’m asking you to state as a man exactly what you meant by your implication of dishonesty in a prior post.

 

[Truebeliever]

So a cop is cutting a break when they respond to a call, find no crime has occurred and they don’t make an arrest or seize property?

That’s not Bloomberg standards, that’s banana republic standards.



You have no idea what happened so you should probably stop talking. Here is a realistic scenario that plays out all the time.

Neighbor hears shouting (maybe just the wife spazzing out; shouting is not a crime), is annoyed, calls cops.

Cops show up to “investigate.” Husband and wife say it’s fine, go away. Cops now say (probably bluffing) that they need to start cooperating, if nothing happened they should talk, if they don’t cooperate then they will have to make an arrest; maybe arrest both of them. Cops either find the expired gun in the computer (“We know you have a gun, where is it? If you just tell me where it is there won’t have to be any trouble, otherwise,” clinks handcuffs) or uses pressure and interrogation to ask the wife about guns in the house.

Cops still don’t have any evidence of domestic violence OR ANY CRIME, but they now have a gun they can seize and ticket.

Even if the wife called the cops and said “my husband is mean and had an unregistered rifle,” guess what? HE still didn’t put the cops in that situation. SHE did and it is his gun that is seized and him who is charged for it.

With gun rights advocates like you guys, who needs enemies in New York? Y’all should be stoked about red flag laws.

I don’t need to see the report of what happened to know what happened.

The DIR( domestic incident report) has a question to ask the people about firearms in the house. Somebody answered “ yes”. A check in the computer for an expired rifle permit is not enough to search a house. Why? Because the NYC rifle owner can keep a rifle without a permit if he keeps the rifle out of the city limits. Many on Long Island store rifles for their city friends.

The wife told them about the gun.

 

[M_F]

I don’t need to see the report of what happened to know what happened.

The DIR( domestic incident report) has a question to ask the people about firearms in the house. Somebody answered “ yes”. A check in the computer for an expired rifle permit is not enough to search a house. Why? Because the NYC rifle owner can keep a rifle without a permit if he keeps the rifle out of the city limits. Many on Long Island store rifles for their city friends.

The wife told them about the gun.

I'm not trying to derail this post but keeping your long gun outside city limits with your friend is now a class A misdeameanor if you don't conduct a background check (thanks FUAC).
Only exceptions are parent/stepparent/child and spouse combinations.

 

[Truebeliever]

I just want to add that the computer name checks done in the field don’t come up with permits unless they specifically search for it. It’s not done routinely especially for something that amounts to a ticket. Yes, a ticket. The name check for orders of protections or warrants might be done. But aren’t routinely done by patrol guys who answer the 911 calls.

Of course that might have changed in the past few years but Airborne is saying it hasn’t.

 

[GOPerfect]

I do not care one way or another about the two that were part of this incident. No care whatsoever.

As all here, well at least most here, I hate the gun laws in New York State. Not sure if there are too many that I agree with.

This man lost his gun because he did not follow the law. Seems like many should have a larger issue with the politicians than those hired to enforce these bullshit laws.

One thing that many fail to realize, some cops, hell, many of them, are not gun guys. Some have no idea that they are "breaking" their oath.

Some actually think that when the highest court in the land rules on something, it is in fact Constitutional.

BTW, I am not speaking of myself.

 

[subsonic]

I don’t need to see the report of what happened to know what happened.

The DIR( domestic incident report) has a question to ask the people about firearms in the house. Somebody answered “ yes” ...

The wife told them about the gun.

In other words, you concede that she didn’t need to volunteer it, she was asked. She may well have had no intention of throwing her husband under the bus. She might not have known about the permit issue.

When a cop with guns is at your house asking you a question, your choices are answer honestly, lie (which is potentially a crime itself, and at the very least can be held against you to prove consciousness of guilt and dishonesty), or refuse to cooperate. And how do you think the police would react if she said “I don’t want to answer that question?” Or better yet, said “I invoke my right under the fifth amendment to remain silent.” Or, “I don’t want to answer that question without my attorney present.” It’s not impossible, but in my experience I find it highly unbelievable that they would have said “alright ma’am, we’ll skip that one.” and carried on. Most people will naturally be pressured to comply with cops in that situation and most cops will use all their tools at hand to gain compliance.

 

[subsonic]

I'm not trying to derail this post but keeping your long gun outside city limits with your friend is now a class A misdeameanor if you don't conduct a background check (thanks FUAC).
Only exceptions are parent/stepparent/child and spouse combinations.

That’s iffy. If you keep it in a case (better yet, a locked case) and they hold it for you and don’t open it themselves then that shouldn’t be considered a transfer. NYSP might take a different view, but the ATF even gives guidance that you can ship guns to yourself with an out-of-state friend for them to keep for you for when you come over, as long as they don’t open and take personal possession of the contents, and that holding in bailment is not considered a transfer by the ATF. They say to address it to yourself care of the recipient to make that clear.

Also, city people can certainly have a cabin, apartment, or other storage of their own for hunting or shooting upstate. Even a second house, as some Manhattanites have. It’s perfectly fine to live in the city and buy and keep a long gun upstate or on Long Island without a city permit if you don’t bring it back to the city, and I’m some FFLs must do this business.

The NYSRPA case concerns firearms (pistols) which according to NYC’s insane regulations you cannot remove from the city. The state does claim that city folks could get a permit in another county and buy and keep pistols on another county’s permit in that county, but that might not be possible for most folks who don’t have a bond fide second residence.

 

[Jem45472]

"The state does claim that city folks could get a permit in another county and buy and keep pistols on another county’s permit in that county, but that might not be possible for most folks who don’t have a bond fide second residence."

If this is true, then how come people in counties who put restrictions on permits can't get an unrestricted permit in a friendlier county?

 

[Mosinitis]

I’m no longer interested in your opinion on extraneous matters or what further information you think may be missing. I’m asking you to state as a man exactly what you meant by your implication of dishonesty in a prior post.

How many times do I need to say that your claim, he can get his gun back is BS.