NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[maverick52]

yeah ,, Doesn't work with a few hundred ppl

Even if every gun owner came out it wouldn’t make a difference. They have a super majority and can do whatever they want. And they know it. They scoff at a protest.
I really blame SCOTUS for this shit show. They could have written a better ruling, or ruled more broadly. I mean c’mon you mean to tell me Clarence Thomas didn’t see this coming?

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

Even if every gun owner came out it wouldn’t make a difference. They have a super majority and can do whatever they want. And they know it. They scoff at a protest.
I really blame SCOTUS for this shit show. They could have written a better ruling, or ruled more broadly. I mean c’mon you mean to tell me Clarence Thomas didn’t see this coming?

Va. 2yrs ago

 

[maverick52]

Va. 2yrs ago

VA has way more gun owners and way more pro2A republicans. Different culture. Different state.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

VA has way more gun owners and way more pro2A republicans. Different culture. Different state.

so just do nothing then ?

 

[maverick52]

so just do nothing then ?

I didn’t say that. Do all you want. I’m just saying it’s not going to persuade the lawmakers in Albany one iota.

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

Hello, I am new here, I just found this website and appreciate that it is here during these times. I am involved in the security industry in rural New York, and if I can be of any help please ask.

What I will tell you is that finding schools to re-certify security personnel in rural New York is a challenge. With the school that I attend, we had one instructor die of COVID and it put several companies that utilize armed security guards into a panic.

And that was for a rural county that has, at my estimation, about 30 to 40 unarmed guards and roughly as many armed guards.

That's less than 100 total.

For those that do not already know, it takes 8 hours to become an unarmed guard, and another 47 hours for armed. The 47 is once in your life, and it is good forever.

Each following year, for armed, you have to do one day unarmed and one day armed. The license renews every two years.

I am telling you this not because, as noted and argued above, it is a justification for requiring a citizen to take training, I am telling you this because it gives you an idea of the volume (or lack of) that these schools can handle. From what I hear, it is actually worse downstate because there are so many more people looking to re-certify and a lack of schools to do so.

As far as the training is concerned, I consider myself lucky, simply because I know a few instructors and can most likely wriggle myself into a class here and there to fulfill the new requirements. If I were coming at this as a total outsider, it would suck even more.

Good luck to all, and stay strong. My wife and I both have deep roots in New York, and despite the tyranny of COVID, we did not get vaxed, did not stay home, did not miss a day of work, and feel we are stronger for having persevered.

M1A

 

[GTN]

There are plenty, usually because they are too old, uncommon or too ridiculous for a commercially made pistol. 8mm mauser, 50bmg. 416 Barret, 6.5 Carcano, 303 British, 7.62x54r, etc, etc. I am sure many if not all of those have been chambered in a pistol at one time or another by adventuresome folk, but not commercially to my knowledge.

None of those are used in bolt guns?

 

[redtail]

Hello, I am new here, I just found this website and appreciate that it is here during these times. I am involved in the security industry in rural New York, and if I can be of any help please ask.

What I will tell you is that finding schools to re-certify security personnel in rural New York is a challenge. With the school that I attend, we had one instructor die of COVID and it put several companies that utilize armed security guards into a panic.

And that was for a rural county that has, at my estimation, about 30 to 40 unarmed guards and roughly as many armed guards.

That's less than 100 total.

For those that do not already know, it takes 8 hours to become an unarmed guard, and another 47 hours for armed. The 47 is once in your life, and it is good forever.

Each following year, for armed, you have to do one day unarmed and one day armed. The license renews every two years.

I am telling you this not because, as noted and argued above, it is a justification for requiring a citizen to take training, I am telling you this because it gives you an idea of the volume (or lack of) that these schools can handle. From what I hear, it is actually worse downstate because there are so many more people looking to re-certify and a lack of schools to do so.

As far as the training is concerned, I consider myself lucky, simply because I know a few instructors and can most likely wriggle myself into a class here and there to fulfill the new requirements. If I were coming at this as a total outsider, it would suck even more.

Good luck to all, and stay strong. My wife and I both have deep roots in New York, and despite the tyranny of COVID, we did not get vaxed, did not stay home, did not miss a day of work, and feel we are stronger for having persevered.

M1A

With this knowledge of facts one would think 2A counsel would have no problem proving it to be excessive and unreasonable. (Almost impossible) Worth an Injunction at minimum.? Any lawyer types want to chime in?

ETA- Of note that this thread already has 5k views in a weeks time.

 

[FP1201]

If all this is true than yes it’s far worse than before. I suppose I understand the idea that somewhere in the future we will win. But in the mean time our rights have been utterly eviscerated. There is no way I will comply with all that. Not worth it. Keep hoping on the courts to vindicate us. Lol. I’ll surrender my license before dealing with all that shit.

That's what they want; everybody knows that all gun owners are criminals and you're being disarmed makes them safe, oh and you'll have to give up all your semi-automatics too.

 

[Truebeliever]

Even if every gun owner came out it wouldn’t make a difference. They have a super majority and can do whatever they want. And they know it. They scoff at a protest.
I really blame SCOTUS for this shit show. They could have written a better ruling, or ruled more broadly. I mean c’mon you mean to tell me Clarence Thomas didn’t see this coming?

The ruling is pretty good and specific for the case in front of them. It’s just how it works. They gave instructions on how these cases should be ruled and now the lower courts enforce the court’s opinion.
If the lower courts follow SCOTUS, most of the new laws will be slapped down. Hopefully we get an injunction while the case works it’s way thru the system .

 

[LibertyWins]

Here's the problem.

You carry your legal gun into a store (that does not have a "guns ok here" sign) as you've done 100 times before. Minding your own business like everyone else. While you're there someone starts shooting and you have to defend yourself ( since you shouldn't have legally had your gun on you now for defending yourself you can be made an example out of, go to prison become a felon and lose all your guns.

In 2-5 years sure it can be deemed unconstitutional and get struck down but tough shit for you, you're still going to be punished.

This is egregious

I was thinking about this same hypothetical situation this morning. It's like it's not even worth concealing in a place with no sign anymore if that's written in the law. And what good is it locked in a box in your car? No time to protect yourself with all the BS and it's too risky to just not comply, at least to me. This is exactly what the left wants. And all the while the criminals who already have multiple felonies are let out onto the streets -- and you can bet your bottom dollar they don't care about any gun law.

 

[Truebeliever]

Imagine ( although possibly illegal) that a protest movement just put the signs “ CCW permitted “ or whatever the legal language on every business that they see. If just 5 people did it, it would send a message . Hundreds of businesses.

And for the record, I am not doing it or advocating any illegal activity. But It would also nullify the law.

And just for the record, if they don’t write the law correctly, business owners who have a gun will have it illegally in their own businesses and security guards can’t come to pick up the payroll or deposits either

 

[Truebeliever]

This who taught democrats about guns

 

[maverick52]

If the lower courts follow SCOTUS, most of the new laws will be slapped down. Hopefully we get an injunction while the case works it’s way thru the system

I hope your right.

 

[LibertyWins]

Even if every gun owner came out it wouldn’t make a difference. They have a super majority and can do whatever they want. And they know it. They scoff at a protest.
I really blame SCOTUS for this shit show. They could have written a better ruling, or ruled more broadly. I mean c’mon you mean to tell me Clarence Thomas didn’t see this coming?

I would also add that if anyone is like myself here, they wouldn't feel all that comfortable protesting for gun rights in public the way things have been lately in this country, under leftist rule dictatorship ... (*cough, J6 cough*).

As sad as it is, it's the reality. Because we all know they like to make lists and go after people later. Strange, I remember learning about other Authoritarian regimes in history who did the same.

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

I would also add that if anyone is like myself here, they wouldn't feel all that comfortable protesting for gun rights in public the way things have been lately in this country, under leftist rule dictatorship ... (*cough, J6 cough*).

As sad as it is, it's the reality. Because we all know they like to make lists and go after people later. Strange, I remember learning about other Authoritarian regimes in history who did the same.

I'm not showing up anywhere under any banner with what has happened since Jan 6.

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

And just for the record, if they don’t write the law correctly, business owners who have a gun will have it illegally in their own businesses and security guards can’t come to pick up the payroll or deposits either

I just wrote my employer an email stating that I am not showing up for work armed if doing so is unlawful. I will not accept "Well, they cannot do that...." as an answer.

 

[Cavalry]

None of those are used in bolt guns?

Ahhh you got me, I was being obtuse. I am sure something in some obsolete, foreign, 100 year caliber that does exist but I cannot think of one. So, for all intents and purposes there is none.

 

[mark60]

If every gun owner in NY would get off their ass and vote we wouldn't even have the Safe Act.

 

[Steal2B]

What ammo is exclusive to semi-auto rifles?

Really does not matter. The bill's intent is to add another headache and discourage ownership. My guess if someone has a bolt, pump, lever action that is primarily a pistol caliber there are likely fewer options to purchase ammo without a permit. Similarly if one is shopping for a round for likely a semi-auto application like 223 / 5.56 without a permit, it may be a bit more difficult to feed it. I also think that our bitch of Attorney General will dry up many of available on line ammo purchase options and any that are willing would now only ship to an FFL raising costs of ownership.

 

[Jchrisls]

you're probably pretty close here, my only question would be ~~~wheres the money coming from to do all this.

Your suggestions are good, but someone is going to have to pay from all this shit. Like the ammo data base, even cumhole couldn't make it work. Heir Hochol will have to come up with an entirely new computer system, that no one have designed yet. The state will have to hire programers/code writers and work for the next three years to make it work, without bugs. It will have to come online, flawlessly. NY does not have the capability to do that. Who knows, maybe hochol will hire the chinese to come up with a program, LOL
I don't really give a shit one way or another, I'll soon be outa New Yorkistan, forever

Funny part is, during covid, the couldn't even get the unemployment system to operate properly...
As it was based on coding for nearly 40 years ago. To think they could do this successful at all would take a miracle.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

If every gun owner in NY would get off their ass and vote we wouldn't even have the Safe Act.

Still wouldn't have enough numbers and too many fudds.

 

[Cavalry]

So at what point is the fourth box opened?

 

[Jchrisls]

"Moral character"
That is (one area) where Hochul will try to screw gun owners.
Remember that she is looking to fold in a review of applicants' social media history when applying for/renewing licenses. Any references to drug use, violence, religious/political/racial/LGBT animus toward others will become disqualifiers. This, along with expanded red flag mechanisms are the playgrounds of tyranny.

Already there. During my interview for my permit in April, they had already asked for all social media accounts on the phone.

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

So at what point is the fourth box opened?

They are already acting as if they know it's coming.

 

[LibertyWins]

Already there. During my interview for my permit in April, they had already asked for all social media accounts on the phone.

Damn, I deleted all my social media over 10 years ago. Aside from some chat boards, like this one, I really don't use any social media these days. Of course, they would probably reject someone for claiming that.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Damn, I deleted all my social media over 10 years ago. Aside from some chat boards, like this one, I really don't use any social media these days. Of course, they would probably reject someone for claiming that.

Same. I deleted all Facebook and that crap forever ago. I want no part of that.

 

[GTN]

I lost all my social media passcodes along with my guns in a boating accident

 

[maverick52]

Already there. During my interview for my permit in April, they had already asked for all social media accounts on the phone.

Where did you apply for a permit that requested your social media accounts?

 

[maverick52]

N.Y. Democrats to Pass New Gun Laws in Response to Supreme Court Ruling (Published 2022)

Lawmakers convened a special session in Albany to pass measures that would prohibit concealed weapons in many public places.

www.nytimes.com

i know there’s a paywall. But according to the times that received memos from the assembly there will indeed be a felony charge for carrying in a banned area with a four year sentence. In addition the mandatory training and taking a written test to qualify.