Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Man, talk about strict. No forearms?
NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)
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US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
I was going to pick up a gun from my aging father. I added it to my license (took 5 minutes) and then went to pick it up. The description of the gun and serial # I took to the pistol clerk was scrawled on a stickie note. No problem.Let's not forget the time it takes to add a gun to your permit. Recently it took almost 8 weeks from the time of purchase until I could pick it up. Tell me again how this is like other pro gun states?
They were really good here. Not anymore, I predict.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
I used to be able to buy a pistol, bring the receipt to the permit department, leave with an amended permit and coupon and go back to the store to do the 4473/walk out with pistol in hand. All in the same day. That changed a number of years ago. This time a judge had to sign off on the amendment. Almost 8 weeks for that to happen. One giant rights extinguishing cluster fuck.
US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
New York has always been a patchwork, and even specific counties changed policies when they changed judges. Or even when the judge changed his mind over policy issues.
Life is also about contrasts and what you are used to. I grew up in NYC when having a pistol license was incredibly rare, even just for target. I guess from my vantage point and background, upstate seemed wonderful. I did not grow up in Vermont or Montana. Or even upstate NY when open carry was OK. I suppose my mindset would be different if I had.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Grew up on Long Island. Wasn't involved with firearms. Ulster county changed for the worse over the recent years. Really no reason to have to wait 8 weeks to add a pistol to a permit other than burdening the law abiding citizen.
US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
When my father was going through the NYC application process in the 1970s, it was done at the local precinct. Totally $$$ corrupt.
He used to say that once they have your name, DOB and address and take your prints, everything else is purely harassment.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Still a huge hassle to have to drive back and fourth between gun store and permit office. I remember when I first got my permit, my judge took almost a month to sign off on my first handgun. I went and bought another just to remind him I was still waiting on the first, lol. He signed off on both shorlty after, lol. It eased up tho. I guess the judge started to allow other judges to sign off on his subject's amendments. That or the clerk just handed the amendment forms to other judges because my judge took so long. Idk. Even with counties that gave you coupons in advance, it's still a pain in the ass.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
The BS with FFLs needing to keep video and audio recording for 2 years, did that make it to law the witch signed?
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
That was in a different bill.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Ok, was kinda confused with some of the games being played. Was that Bill passed and signed, or still being hashed out?
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Especially when they are more likely to commit a crime when compared to a permit holder.
I have been privileged (yes, I'll use that word) to live in Orleans County.
Our Judge doesn't drag his feet with permit applications. Mine too two months, the wife's took one month.
We also have "pre-purchase coupons" that allow us to buy a pistol and take it home that day, and THEN add it to our permit.
And still I was incensed when they took away the lifetime permits, and I'm absolutely outraged they are further infringing by lowering the time to three years, and requiring classes just to recertify.
Add to that the delays we can expect from the State Police when buying guns or ammo, the additional costs, the databases of what we own, the elimination of our ability to defend ourselves...
For a Right that is supposedly protected by such strong language as "shall not be infringed" it's pretty damned infringed.
I was going to say a few other things, but I would expect my door to get kicked in if I do. Suffice to say, we should do everything in our power, legally, to oppose this tyrant in EVERYTHING she does or wants.
If we see her in public we should immediately protest her, and call our friends to protest her. Apparently that is perfectly legal.
Maybe we should picket outside her residence? That also appears to be perfectly legal.
No violence. Just make sure our voices are heard.
There is that pesky little thing of "Probable Cause" and it's pretty strongly defined when it comes to vehicles and traffic stops.
The self defeatist's will be along to doom & gloom my post with 'Doesn't matter, we can't win" and if the effort is abysmal, they will be correct.
IF the Gun Owners of this State would collectively do two things, the entire Legislature and Governor could be replaced, but therein lies the problem.
4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
so isn't “ Not To Be Infringed ”
US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
The only state which has not ever 'infringed' to my knowledge and within my lifetime is Vermont. Today, Constitutional Carry is the law in 25 states.
The pendulum is clearly swinging in our direction, and IMO will continue to do so.
Justice Thomas turned that pendulum into a wrecking ball last week, and also IMO the Hochul Act is a 'throw everything at the wall' temper tantrum.
Yes, she is backed by forces unknown, and this may very well go up to the very, very top.
In my own mind, privately, I prayed for an alternate history in which Bruen never existed, there would be no Hochul reaction, and things would go on as normal. However, I realize they probably would not have gone on as normal.
I now am of the opinion that this was planned all along, and they were just waiting for Bruen to hit, and then to throw this out there afterward so it could not be added to the Bruen decision.
Bruen will prove to be our best hope.
Whenever I discuss history, I notice that the natural reaction for many people is to doubt how critical everything felt at the time. Of course we know General Washington won, as did the Union, as did the Allies. They must have known too. Didn't they?
No, they did not. Not at the time.
There will be periods of time ahead when it seems like nothing happens. And then things will happen all of a sudden.
I remember when Heller hit. And Michael Savage was, as best as I could tell from the radio, near tears.
It took some time for things to settle down, but it was a first, and many people on both sides had no idea what hit them.
A few years later, I planned a trip, armed, which took us through Illinois. Legally armed. Imagine that.
We went a different route, but you get the idea. People are used to pro-2A decisions now, and we have a stronger majority than they did then.
During COVID, people got into a habit of saying 'stay safe' at the end of conversations. Safe? From what? Microscopic organisms? Am I supposed to duck and weave from the germs as if I were a hypochondriac Muhammad Ali?
Well, now it is time to wheel out that old trope, but for a more realistic scenario. Some will carry, some will limit their activities, that is their decision. I am no longer interested in that conversation.
It's the 4th, my kids are visiting, and I am going a stone's throw into NY to hike a favorite trail. Yesterday I tried it with the gun in a backpack, easier to get it out of the way and into the back of the car come Sept. I know, some of you may hate that, but I don't want to know. I have a financial and career concern in retaining my license, so my judgment may be different than yours. Please respect that.
It wasn't at all uncomfortable or inconvenient. I may do that from time to time no matter what happens in the future so I don't have to wear 2 shirts in the summer.
But I absolutely hated the idea of changing my habits one iota to please anyone. I did. I really did.
M1A
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
When was she held in contempt by SCOTUS?
She hasn't been.. lmfao
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
I think he was just giving his opinion compared to it actually happening.
The second she signed the law that did exactly the opposite of the current Supreme Court ruling.
The court just specifically and clearly addressed sensitive area overuse. After the fact she signed a law making 99% of the state sensitive areas outside of private homes.
What she signed is the exact definition of contempt.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
She's a dirty power hungry dickbag who just gave SCOTUS and NY gun owners a giant middle finger, we agree on that. Not the same as being officially held in contempt.
Here is the interview in question:
Legal expert Paul Cambria scrutinizes gun reform bills in NYS
“There will be lots of challenges, there’s no doubt about that” Buffalo attorney Paul Cambria reacted Friday to a wave of new gun restrictions looming in New York State after the Supreme Court last week struck down the state’s concealed carry law.
www.audacy.com
He addresses the outlawing of semiautos about 2/3 thru the interview, I believe. He doesn't expound on the basis for his opinion, but he suggests NYS will be "more successful" in going after semiautomatic firearms.
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Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
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Hochul doesn’t need that information."“We find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers,” the report says. “Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000.10. That is just one-seventh of the rate for police officers.”"
Report Finds These Gun Owners Are Least Likely Criminals
Concealed-carry permit holders are nearly the most law-abiding demographic of Americans, a new report by the Crime Prevention Research Center says—comparing the permit holders foremost with police. “Indeed, it is impossible to think of any other group in the U.S. that is anywhere near as...nationalinterest.org
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Going to some events today. Figure I should be as patriotic as possible given recent events…
Officially no but clearly is.
This is the equivalent of getting a restraining order from a judge for your girlfriend and then tell him your moving in with her.
US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
Since the ability of the Supreme Court to strike down laws is not in the Constitution (Marbury v. Madison) I have no idea if it has the statutory ability to enforce its rulings. That corrupt POS in 'Justice' (ha ha) certainly would not.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Sure. I did mention auto exception and search warrant right? Probable cause might not be that hard to establish as you think.
And if they do seize the box, to get a search warrant, and it’s denied, you still have to go pick it up
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
They have powers to do other things like declare constitutional carry is legal. Overturn any convictions etc
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
When I was a kid, a Trooper used loud exhaust as probable cause to search my car. Went so far as to pop the rear seal out and leave it on the sidewalk along with anything else I had in the car. Asked him if he was going to put everything back seems he did this for no reason.... nope, not my problem.
All of this garbage is UN Constitutional. All of it! They do not have the authority at all to tell us when and how much of our rights are allowed. Their job is to protect our rights! not to determine what they believe we should have as "rights". Stop complying period!! Quit being a slave. "We the People" are the Boss. That's the way the Constitution was written. I am not their property nor do I have a contract with them stating I agree with their edicts. Offer, Declined!!