NYSP Arrested A West Virginia Man For Possessing Two Handguns!

[Darth]

OP took it down hahaha.

New York State Police Newsroom: West Virginia man arrested for possessing two handguns

Thanks.

My rank of respect has always been:

My local Sheriff (I've helped out a local friend of mine who is a deputy with pistols, specifically his on duty G22 and off duty G23, he gave me the brass) > City Cops >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NYSP.

 

[Darth]

Yeah it totally sucks, but it's his own fault. If you are traveling with a firearm, KNOW THE LAWS OF THE LAND in which you are traveling! Even if you don't agree with them, still need to follow them. I would never carry in NJ, because I'm not allowed to, don't want to get arrested and don't want to lose my right to carry / possess a firearm.

I am going to have to STRONGLY disagree with you NYGuns.

You say "Well, state laws trump the 2A. Follow them."

Fine, I completely disagree, but fine.

BUT, look at a 4473.

Specifically question 11.c.

(Paraphrased) Are you an illegal drug user?

No. AND yes. (Not for me, but follow along.) I have a pot card. This time, the State says YES, and the Feds say NO.

You won't carry in NJ, like me, because of unconstitutional threats, not because it is right.

Fuck "knowing the laws" when we can't even decide as a nation what the laws are.

 

[NYGuns]

I am going to have to STRONGLY disagree with you NYGuns.

You say "Well, state laws trump the 2A. Follow them."

Fine, I completely disagree, but fine.

BUT, look at a 4473.

Specifically question 11.c.

(Paraphrased) Are you an illegal drug user?

No. AND yes. (Not for me, but follow along.) I have a pot card. This time, the State says YES, and the Feds say NO.

You won't carry in NJ, like me, because of unconstitutional threats, not because it is right.

Fuck "knowing the laws" when we can't even decide as a nation what the laws are.

I appreciate the response! While I get what you're saying, that is a misquote. I didn't say "Well, state laws trump the 2A. Follow them." even though unfortunately that's what it is, especially around here.

Obviously I'm pro 2a, but I'm also a realist. Each state has different laws, so when I travel out of state I know which ones I can bring my firearm in. This kid could have avoided this problem, despite how unfair it is or how different the laws are in WV. Now this will be on his record forever, sucks! That's just my

 

[Darth]

I appreciate the response! While I get what you're saying, that is a misquote. I didn't say "Well, state laws trump the 2A. Follow them." even though unfortunately that's what it is, especially around here.

Obviously I'm pro 2a, but I'm also a realist. Each state has different laws, so when I travel out of state I know which ones I can bring my firearm in. This kid could have avoided this problem, despite how unfair it is or how different the laws are in WV. Now this will be on his record forever, sucks! That's just my

I appreciate not going off the rails as well.

But if I may, that response is my exact response.

"Each state has different laws" is sort of, de facto, what I mean.

Sometimes those "different laws" matter "GUNZ R BAD!", and sometimes they don't "POT IZ GUD!"

So I'm afraid I can't accept "know the rules." "Whose rules? The Feds or the states? Feds = 2A. State's = Pot OK everywhere."

 

[NYGuns]

I appreciate not going off the rails as well.

But if I may, that response is my exact response.

"Each state has different laws" is sort of, de facto, what I mean.

Sometimes those "different laws" matter "GUNZ R BAD!", and sometimes they don't "POT IZ GUD!"

So I'm afraid I can't accept "know the rules." "Whose rules? The Feds or the states? Feds = 2A. State's = Pot OK everywhere."

Fair enough!

 

[Robin]

Its a good thing politicians like cumo and the Tsarists that enacted the Sullivan act weren't around in '75 when thousands of armed men, volunteers all, passed through New York, coming from such places, called today, as Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland, on their way to Boston, because they heard there was a little dust up with a Tyrant, hell, it is known that at least one of them, and many more for sure, was armed with a hand gun, His name was George Washington, God bless his memory.
Maybe people should be required to have a United States Passport, complete with federal warnings and travel restrictions, in order to pass through this Socialist Gulag. FUNY, isn't it.
Robin

 

[GOYABEAN]

Can't we all just get along and Fuck FUAC

Its a good thing politicians like cumo and the Tsarists that enacted the Sullivan act weren't around in '75 when thousands of armed men, volunteers all, passed through New York, coming from such places, called today, as Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland, on their way to Boston, because they heard there was a little dust up with a Tyrant, hell, it is known that at least one of them, and many more for sure, was armed with a hand gun, His name was George Washington, God bless his memory.
Maybe people should be required to have a United States Passport, complete with federal warnings and travel restrictions, in order to pass through this Socialist Gulag. FUNY, isn't it.
Robin

It's just a matter of time

 

[spat]

I appreciate the response! While I get what you're saying, that is a misquote. I didn't say "Well, state laws trump the 2A. Follow them." even though unfortunately that's what it is, especially around here.

Obviously I'm pro 2a, but I'm also a realist. Each state has different laws, so when I travel out of state I know which ones I can bring my firearm in. This kid could have avoided this problem, despite how unfair it is or how different the laws are in WV. Now this will be on his record forever, sucks! That's just my

Follow the state laws for the same reason you don't walk through the hood with $100 bills hanging out of your pocket at 2am. Not because there's anything wrong with it, but because it encourages criminals to assault you.

 

[Celt]

1) There are circuit courts etc. A bunch of judges weighed in long before SCOTUS agreed to look at it and offer an opinion.
2) I am not saying I agree nor disagree with Cuomo's decision as it pertains to NYC. But I will say there is a ton recidivism in places like Bronx. Not sure that place needs more AR's, Uzi's, MAC's, etc.
3) You are correct about one thing and I chime that tune all the time. The culture of crime in America right now is really bad. And where I disagree with people on this forum is that I feel there is value in the statistics that FBI, DoJ, Dept of Prisons, and CIA collect on crime vs race. I feel there are sub-cultures in America that are race driven (a black culture, a mexican immigrant culture, a Jewish/Semitic culture, a Russian culture, and so on), and that some of these sub cultures are extremely criminal and recidivist. I do not believe you can attribute crime to poverty irrespective of race' because Appalachia is dirt poor but not as criminal as Detroit, for example.

Your last name isn't Damico is it?

1. The Safe Act hasn't even gotten to the Supreme Court so they have not had a chance review the case. The New York State Rifle and Pistol Association decided against persuing a scotus review after Justice Scalia passed away so we are stuck with the 2nd circuits judgement. Its widely known that the 2nd circuit leans far left so they are politicized and cannot be trusted.

2. Disallowing law-abiding citizens from having firearms in a high-crime area only creates more victims. Your position sounds very similar to an old Karl Marx quote: " From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". It not yours or anyone else place to tell another person what they "need" or want to use to protect themselves from evil doers.

Since you like statistics you should read up on statistics about the % of guns used to commit crimes.
Hand guns, are used overwhelmingly compared to other types of firearms. More people are killed with knives than guns so lets ban knives in cities. More kids drown in swimming pools than are killed with guns so ban swimming pools. More people are killed by drunk drivers than guns so ban cars and force mass transpo on all citizens. And, more people are killed with blunt instruments like hammers and bats so lets ban them. Or perhaps only professsional baseball players should own bats, and only licensed contractors should be able to buy hammers (and they have to fill out a bgc form at home depot upon purchase).

Requiring gun permits is just as absurd, but anti gunners, fudds, and some others have been conditioned to buy into the permitting system like its some elite club.

3. Recidivism, well lets get down to it. The cj system needs a major revamp. Violent criminals are plea bargained with and let out early for all sorts of reasons to accommodate the prison overcrowding that we are dealing with. Now , we have prison overcrowding partly because we have countless/ pointless laws on the books. We've had entire threads dedicated to this discussion but the point is that these people should stay locked up their full sentences. And their debt to society should be paid in full when they are released.

Then we need to fix the education system to create smarter future workers. We to fix the economy to create more job opportunities. And we need to reinstill the standard family values that are largely missing in inner city, single mother families.

We dont ban other protected rights when some idiots abuse them. We dont ban cars even though you have a better chance of being killed by a drunk driver, than being shot.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED... its that simple.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Your last name isn't Damico is it?

1. The Safe Act hasn't even gotten to the Supreme Court so they have not had a chance review the case. The New York State Rifle and Pistol Association decided against persuing a scotus review after Justice Scalia passed away so we are stuck with the 2nd circuits judgement. Its widely known that the 2nd circuit leans far left so they are politicized and cannot be trusted.

2. Disallowing law-abiding citizens from having firearms in a high-crime area only creates more victims. Your position sounds very similar to an old Karl Marx quote: " From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". It not yours or anyone else place to tell another person what they "need" or want to use to protect themselves from evil doers.

Since you like statistics you should read up on statistics about the % of guns used to commit crimes.
Hand guns, are used overwhelmingly compared to other types of firearms. More people are killed with knives than guns so lets ban knives in cities. More kids drown in swimming pools than are killed with guns so ban swimming pools. More people are killed by drunk drivers than guns so ban cars and force mass transpo on all citizens. And, more people are killed with blunt instruments like hammers and bats so lets ban them. Or perhaps only professsional baseball players should own bats, and only licensed contractors should be able to buy hammers (and they have to fill out a bgc form at home depot upon purchase).

Requiring gun permits is just as absurd, but anti gunners, fudds, and some others have been conditioned to buy into the permitting system like its some elite club.

3. Recidivism, well lets get down to it. The cj system needs a major revamp. Violent criminals are plea bargained with and let out early for all sorts of reasons to accommodate the prison overcrowding that we are dealing with. Now , we have prison overcrowding partly because we have countless/ pointless laws on the books. We've had entire threads dedicated to this discussion but the point is that these people should stay locked up their full sentences. And their debt to society should be paid in full when they are released.

Then we need to fix the education system to create smarter future workers. We to fix the economy to create more job opportunities. And we need to reinstill the standard family values that are largely missing in inner city, single mother families.

We dont ban other protected rights when some idiots abuse them. We dont ban cars even though you have a better chance of being killed by a drunk driver, than being shot.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED... its that simple.

I can no longer read the other side of the conversation but I guess it is still going.

Well said Celt.

 

[fartgamer]

 

[Celt]

I can no longer read the other side of the conversation but I guess it is still going.

Well said Celt.

Snappo replied to my questions yesterday, and i didnt have time to respond, but i felt some clarification was needed.

Now, it was quite a task typing all that from a phone, and it wasnt as well put together as i would have lijed, but i think the gist of my thought process is there.

In short, i do not support the pistol permitting process because it is obviously an infringement if you have to wait, pay fees, and meet certain criteria to exercise a RIGHT. And just because a politicized court upholds, or citizens dont have the financial means to challenge an unconstitutional law doesnt mean its constitutional in the eyes of "The People".

If the governor said we can no longer wear red shirts, and no one challenged it, that doesnt make it right.

 

[4excal]

MODERATOR CLOSE OR DELETE THIS THREAD PLEASE!

Good luck with that..Can't even get a moderator to help in the "help/feedback" forum. I'm all for handsoff moderating 99% but sometimes that 1% time you need an answer or assistance..it'd be cool. But is I had to chou..definitely moderate this way over the old NYF way Please!

 

[Snappo]

Your last name isn't Damico is it?

1. The Safe Act hasn't even gotten to the Supreme Court so they have not had a chance review the case. The New York State Rifle and Pistol Association decided against persuing a scotus review after Justice Scalia passed away so we are stuck with the 2nd circuits judgement. Its widely known that the 2nd circuit leans far left so they are politicized and cannot be trusted.

2. Disallowing law-abiding citizens from having firearms in a high-crime area only creates more victims. Your position sounds very similar to an old Karl Marx quote: " From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". It not yours or anyone else place to tell another person what they "need" or want to use to protect themselves from evil doers.

Since you like statistics you should read up on statistics about the % of guns used to commit crimes.
Hand guns, are used overwhelmingly compared to other types of firearms. More people are killed with knives than guns so lets ban knives in cities. More kids drown in swimming pools than are killed with guns so ban swimming pools. More people are killed by drunk drivers than guns so ban cars and force mass transpo on all citizens. And, more people are killed with blunt instruments like hammers and bats so lets ban them. Or perhaps only professsional baseball players should own bats, and only licensed contractors should be able to buy hammers (and they have to fill out a bgc form at home depot upon purchase).

Requiring gun permits is just as absurd, but anti gunners, fudds, and some others have been conditioned to buy into the permitting system like its some elite club.

3. Recidivism, well lets get down to it. The cj system needs a major revamp. Violent criminals are plea bargained with and let out early for all sorts of reasons to accommodate the prison overcrowding that we are dealing with. Now , we have prison overcrowding partly because we have countless/ pointless laws on the books. We've had entire threads dedicated to this discussion but the point is that these people should stay locked up their full sentences. And their debt to society should be paid in full when they are released.

Then we need to fix the education system to create smarter future workers. We to fix the economy to create more job opportunities. And we need to reinstill the standard family values that are largely missing in inner city, single mother families.

We dont ban other protected rights when some idiots abuse them. We dont ban cars even though you have a better chance of being killed by a drunk driver, than being shot.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED... its that simple.

1. Would you have the process of law review changed from how it has been running these past 250 years?

2. True - not my place to make laws, reverse laws, etc. Like you, the best I can do is vote for someone who I think represents my views (and hope for the best). The purpose of the three branches is to protect and represent the will of the people. There are people that apparently want more weapons restrictions, just as there are people that want the opposite. Historically, the purpose of the 2A was to keep the newly forming federal government from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a permanent standing army. Interesting that you bring up Scalia. Even though he was for our gun rights, he also cited every source that said the 2A was to protect state militias and that the weapons we could have weapons that can “have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia.” He also said weapons of a militia need not be equal to the weapons of a formal army. That's how Cuomo, Clinton, and others must have gotten away with these feature bans and whatnot; or Reagan getting away with locking down the purchase of new automatic weapons.

3. Recidivism is the most important issue. Most of the time we hear about weapons being used in crimes (which is used by the left wing media to spool up the anti 2A folks) it's recidivists. There is the occasional Adam Lansa event, but for the most part weapons related crimes are committed by people who have committed violent crimes before. I'm fine with taking race out of the equation. The law should be if you commit a violent crime, you do your time. No bargaining, no going home early because the local prison is low on beds, no "good time", etc. Do your crime and do your time. And there are a lot of non violent crimes resulting in long prison sentences that should be reversed. I don't see the value of someone being in prison for getting caught smoking pot a few times. Save those beds for violent crimes and recidivists.

4. You cannot just "re-instill values". How would you do that? There is an entire sub-culture (back to race though) that does not want to be married to have children. The males don't want to take ownership of the children financially and from a leadership perspective. You have entire groups of people that would rather be dependent on Uncle Sam than to go to school, get an education, and get a valuable job. Drug dealers make far more than the average blue collar worker, and let's be honest - there are entire groups of people without the intellect to take on work that requires academia and knowledge of complex subject matter. You cannot just look at these entire groups of people and say "get smart and get working". They don't want to.

5. The economy does not want to be fixed, in a way. Corporations own most of the intellectual capital and patents in USA. They push for the right to move technology overseas. If every patent first filed in USA never left USA and was protected from reverse engineering; we would be manufacturing microwave ovens, electronics, cellular products, most medical products, vehicles, and every other product that came out of the technological revolution. But Corporations wanted more profit, and since slavery is illegal the next best thing was some 9 year old girl chained to a work desk for $2 a day in the 3rd world. So either we want to exploit the third world so things are cheap, or we don't. And I think it's fair to say that ship already sailed and may not be something we can reverse. So you end up with idiots like Clinton and Trump that have no clue how to honestly reverse this economic road to ruin.

6. In the days of the Founding Fathers, only the elite were educated. It wasn't a "right" of any sort, and the government wasn't designed to dole out that education for free. There were haves and have-nots. Jefferson may have gone to William & Mary, but the employees that worked on his plantation had no right to the same education. It's disingenuous to think that we can be pro Founding Fathers when it suits our selfish needs and against their world view when it doesn't. You can't be "a little bit pregnant". Either we want their world view or we don't. Half of the Founding Fathers were offended by slavery but wanted the blacks sent back to Africa. That was the purpose of the American Colonization Society, which was led by people like Washington's nephew (he and Martha couldn't have kids), Henry Clay, and John Randolph. These were well known founding fathers, senators, congressmen, etc. and that wanted the blacks to be gone. Our third VP and one of the Founding Fathers was perfectly fine with making his own mercenary army so he could conquer a bordering nation and make himself the king. I doubt highly we would find that acceptable today. We killed Saddam for being that kind of tyrant.

 

[Celt]

Thats a huge response snappo and i appreciate you taking the time. I post from my phone so its harder to create such thoughtful, and long winded responses.

Ill try to keep it short.

1. I like our system of government, but i think we do need a way to keep courts in check. For example, if Hillary becomes president and were to choose up to three far-left justices in the Supreme Court; it will have a ridiculous bias to the left for potentially 30 years. This is a problem. Many of these justices are not completely trustworthy in the sense that they cannot keep their own political views out of it. This could be a very good topic for another thread and I think it would provoke a lot of good thought on how we could revamp the system to keep these people in line. But I could certainly start with being able to vote them out.

2. Keep in mind, you have the organized and the unorganized militia. And to keep it simple, basically all able-bodied people are a part of the unorganized militia and therefore; by default , we are covered under the militia portion of the Second Amendment. But more importantly there is a comma that separates those two sections of the Second Amendment. The portion that says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed is completely independent and intended to allow every good citizen to be armed the way they see fit. The intent was always to be equally armed to the Infantry Soldier.

3. I could go on about this quite extensively as I have my degree in criminal justice and I spent a lot of time on this topic. I even did a paper on recidivism for one of my classes. I am in complete agreement with you on this topic and if we were sitting down talking about it , it would take many beers to finish the conversation.

4. You're right it is not an easy task. I don't quite have the answer. But we can discourage the rampant child birth by not putting a 1 child max cap on welfate recipients, and penalize the fathers that dont support their children by denying them welfare. And on that subject we need to get rid of these EBT cards that allow people to buy what they want like its a free credit card that the hard working people have to pay for. Its time to go back to food stamps that allow people to buy essential foods only.

5. The government needs to step out of public education and it needs to be privatized. Not only is this state brainwashing future generations with their liberal ideologies, but they are dumbing down the material to decrease the disparity between certain groups of people. This practice is going to destroy our competitiveness in the world in the long-term.

 

[BerettaGuy]

I'm not a Juris Doctor and am not academically credentialed in Constitutional Law. I support a government where legislators make laws and judicial branch judges determine if the laws are legal and constitutional. Unless someone is a constitutional lawyer I would think they support the process of checks and balances.

Nothing to say that I haven't' said before.