And the law makes no such prohibition. To have AND to carry concealed. If it is sitting on a table in front of me I “have” it. If it is clearly visible on my person I “have” it. If it is hidden on my person I have it “concealed”.
Open Carry (security vs. us)
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Have is the ability to legally be able to have it. Not carry it. You can have it and possess it to transport it. That’s why there is a separate distinction. Premises permits say to have and possess. F says to have and carry. The carry part wasn’t put on a premises permit for a reason. Possess and carry are two separate words with two separate meanings.
You do what you want. Argue what you want here on the internet too. But in real life, I doubt you will carry openly in the supermarket.
You do what you want. Argue what you want here on the internet too. But in real life, I doubt you will carry openly in the supermarket.
Security guards do with the exact same license. Many other places too. Even out in public places doing protection of others as the company I will work for does. The license for carry is all the same (F). There is zero difference in the penal law between them and anyone else with (F). If you know of some secret law written in invisible ink please share it with us here.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It isn’t enforced because it’s stupid for a uniformed guard to carry concealed. That’s why they carry openly. Same as us to carry concealed when hunting or at the range. It just wouldn’t make sense to.
Lots of laws are overlooked because they don’t make sense.
Lots of laws are overlooked because they don’t make sense.
spat
.950 JDJ
You've got that backwards.
Nobody has found the part where it says they, or anyone else, can't (once they've got a permit that exempts them from PL265 anyway).
spat
.950 JDJ
We won't OC in a supermarket, but not because we are worried about PL265 or PL400.
The fact that you can't find a single example of such a prosecution in over 100 years of that law's existence is proof that nobody needs to worry about it.
“Selective enforcement” - a very valid and used legal defense. “It’s not enforced for them but it is for me” isn’t gonna fly in court. What’s right for one is right for all.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No argument there.
Wanted to piggy back on this thread and get your opinions on this. I am going to make a trip down to Tennessee when the GlockStore opens soon. They are building quite a facility and state of the art range They are also now a Sig dealer too.
Tennessee has two types of permits. There is a basic concealed carry permit that allows for concealed carry only, and there is an enhanced pistol permit that allows open and concealed carry.
They honor every state’s permit and it functions there just as it would in your state. So if you are restricted to conceal carry only you also carry that restriction there. If you can carry openly on your permit you may do so as well in Tennessee.
Would your NY permit pass as open carry as it is not specifically illegal in NY but more frowned upon?
I couldn’t see a cop down there trying to research NY law in order to give you a hard time over it.
My ace in the hole is my PA license I guess but I am curious for thoughts on this.
By the way this is what every state’s permit system should be like if we can’t get a nationwide bill passed. Good for Tennessee.
*This is a limited and specific question and not intended for concealed carry ninja warriors to tell us how scary OC is and how you might offend someone.
Tennessee has two types of permits. There is a basic concealed carry permit that allows for concealed carry only, and there is an enhanced pistol permit that allows open and concealed carry.
They honor every state’s permit and it functions there just as it would in your state. So if you are restricted to conceal carry only you also carry that restriction there. If you can carry openly on your permit you may do so as well in Tennessee.
Would your NY permit pass as open carry as it is not specifically illegal in NY but more frowned upon?
I couldn’t see a cop down there trying to research NY law in order to give you a hard time over it.
My ace in the hole is my PA license I guess but I am curious for thoughts on this.
By the way this is what every state’s permit system should be like if we can’t get a nationwide bill passed. Good for Tennessee.
*This is a limited and specific question and not intended for concealed carry ninja warriors to tell us how scary OC is and how you might offend someone.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Just conceal it like you do here in NY everyday without issue. You don’t need to show off over there. Hell the majority of the residents of Tennessee conceal compared to carrying openly.
Imagine trying to get legal advice off an online forum instead of spending a few bucks to talk with a lawyer 
I already reached out to Tennessee and got a response. I stated in the post moments ago that either way I am covered by PA license. This is a discussion board to - discuss this. I asked for thoughts and opinions and nothing more.Imagine trying to get legal advice off an online forum instead of spending a few bucks to talk with a lawyer
I already reached out to Tennessee and got a response. I stated in the post moments ago that either way I am covered by PA license. This is a discussion board to - discuss this. I asked for thoughts and opinions and nothing more.
"I already stated that I was covered and that there is no need for a discussion but I wanted to make sure everyone knew that I wanted to OC and that I can OC in a state that allows OC"
Show me where you said you contacted Tennessee and they responded???
Yup look at me. Carrying a firearm - - at a firearm facility
I’m sure a lot of people at a state of the art firearm complex in the south will be really on edge about it.
I stated that I am covered under PA. You suggest I should spend hundreds to talk to a lawyer. Refer back to me stating I am already covered either way.
Good grief. The concealed ninja is at it again. Typical afraid gun cuck.. Hide it quick! Someone might be offended! Not sure how you walk around on egg shells all day but I know I couldn’t.
Also there is nothing to discuss, you said you contacted them, what did they say is it covered by YOUR NY license?
Yup look at me. Carrying a firearm - - at a firearm facility
I’m sure a lot of people at a state of the art firearm complex in the south will be really on edge about it.
I stated that I am covered under PA. You suggest I should spend hundreds to talk to a lawyer. Refer back to me stating I am already covered either way.
Good grief. The concealed ninja is at it again. Typical afraid gun cuck.. Hide it quick! Someone might be offended! Not sure how you walk around on egg shells all day but I know I couldn’t.
Really hundreds huh? Wow pretty impressive, last lawyer I talked to charged $100 an hour. Pretty sure I could ask them if I was covered in less than an hour.
Also you stated you already contacted TN.. well did they say that the NY license was covered?? Not much to discuss if you already contacted them and asked.
And hahhaha
Concealed ninja?? Where did I ever say, cant/don't OC?? Fucking moron
Well what did they say about the NY license?
Tennessee doesn’t know anything about a NY license. They said whatever my license is for they honor it just the same down there. The question was about the N.Y. license for this forum. You suggesting I need a lawyer instead of getting advice here holds no water as I can can carry any way I want with a PA license which I stated I also possess. Let’s get back on topic here.
Also I had this brought to my attention by someone else. Look at NY 400 2 E. It is the license for prison guards, jail wardens, corrections officers etc etc. The wording for that license is exactly as it is for ours. Have And Carry Concealed. Yet they don’t only and exclusively carry concealed. They carry openly also. This adds more evidence that it is not illegal for us to OC in NY.
I mean it does hold water since you are asking about your NY license . Aka go ask a lawyer
Or b it doesn't hold water because like you said you are covered (TN doesn't know anything about NY license but knows about PA??
) then there is nothing to discuss
Want to know a better why to find out, ask a person who specializes in legal matters.. i think there is a term for those kind of individuals, oh yea thats right they are called lawyers.
You want to know these answers so bad why not oh idk stop being a poor and ask a lawyer
PA allows for OC specifically. TN mirrors whatever the license you possess allows. Didn’t think it had to be explained.I mean it does hold water since you are asking about your NY license . Aka go ask a lawyer
Or b it doesn't hold water because like you said you are covered (TN doesn't know anything about NY license but knows about PA??
It is just a discussion of thought and opinions. Nothing more. Not sure how many times that needs to be said. Thanks for chiming in and talking about everything except for the limited question in bold.
PA allows for OC specifically. TN mirrors whatever the license you possess allows. Didn’t think it had to be explained.
It is just a discussion of thought and opinions. Nothing more. Not sure how many times that needs to be said. Thanks for chiming in and talking about everything except for the limited question in bold.
And yet you were asking about the NY license.
Weird no one has disputed the claim that you can use the PA license..
And yet you keep saying you want to discuss if the NY license is covered, ask a fucking lawyer if you want to know
And yet you keep saying you want to discuss if the NY license is covered, ask a fucking lawyer if you want to know
Correct. Thoughts and opinions of the N.Y. situation. If those thoughts and opinions are wrong the risk to me is zero as I have a PA license which covers me. No lawyer needed. It is a discussion here in a discussion forum. You clearly have no thoughts or opinions of the bold question. Not sure what you’re doing here if not participating in the topic.
The limited question.. you mean would you be covered to OC with you NY license???
Well if you want to know... ask a fucking lawyer
Why even care about thoughts or opinions, if you want to know so fucking bad if you can with your NY license go ask a lawyer
Yup everyone should ask a lawyer for questions with no legal risk.
I guess every thread here with a question or asking for opinions should be shut down and those people should ask lawyers.
my thoughts and opinions don't mean shit on a subject I
1) don't give a fuck about
2) if I did give a fuck about id ask a lawyer versed in the subject because "thoughts and opinions" don't mean shit in court
1) don't give a fuck about
2) if I did give a fuck about id ask a lawyer versed in the subject because "thoughts and opinions" don't mean shit in court