Yet you remain here. Run along now.
Open Carry (security vs. us)
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Yup everyone should ask a lawyer for questions with no legal risk.I guess every thread here with a question or asking for opinions should be shut down and those people should ask lawyers.
Oh I said shut the thread down??? Nope just said if you care so much for the actual answer, ask a lawyer
Same could be said for you when you wrote a novel about running around in the dark with a flashlight pretending to be an operator. Yet we just rolled our eyes and ignored you.
Oh you mean took a class..
Weird didn't do any running hmm must have missed that part.
And yet you aren't ignoring me now..
So what is the original question you are asking now that you want thoughts and opinions on?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You need a lawyer? Let me save you a hundred bucks.
Your NY license is for this only.
(f) have and carry concealed, without regard to employment or place of possession, by any person when proper cause exists for the issuance thereof;
Sorry. You will not be able to show off in Tennessee. No look at me! Look at me! Look at me! EFing Loser.
Your NY license is for this only.
(f) have and carry concealed, without regard to employment or place of possession, by any person when proper cause exists for the issuance thereof;
Sorry. You will not be able to show off in Tennessee. No look at me! Look at me! Look at me! EFing Loser.
Stand down. You have shown you are not capable of handling this thread. Bye now.
Are you sure? What's the question you want to discuss?? Let's discuss it, just want to know what the topic of discussion is
New York requires a carry license for the concealed and open carrying of firearms. See N.Y. Penal Law §§ 265.01, 265.02, 400.00(2)(d)-(f). This general approach to the concealed and open carrying of firearms is distinct from that of some other States, which have laws specifically addressing the carrying of concealed firearms. See, e.g., Cal.Penal Code § 12025 (defining crime of “carrying a concealed firearm” and explaining that “[f]irearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed”); Va.Code Ann. § 18.2-308(A) (defining crime of “carr[ying] about [one's] person, hidden from common observation, ... any pistol”); see also N.Y. Joint Legislative Comm. on Firearms & Ammunition, N.Y. Legislative Doc. No. 29 at 13 (N.Y.1962) (“[T]he historic factor of whether the firearm is carried openly or concealed has frequently been decisive. Apparently in only nine (Conn.[,]D.C., Hawaii, Ind., Mass., N.M., N.Y., Tex., W.Va.) of the forty-five prohibiting jurisdictions does the prohibition extend to openly carried firearms.”)." Bach v. Pataki 408 F.3d 75 (NY App. 2005).
The preceding sentence clearly implies that New York licenses open carry through 400.00...not just implies but says outright, "New York requires a carry license for the concealed and open carrying of firearms." It seems fairly conclusive that "have" would be the word within 400.00(2)(f) that provides for what the court asserts here.
The preceding sentence clearly implies that New York licenses open carry through 400.00...not just implies but says outright, "New York requires a carry license for the concealed and open carrying of firearms." It seems fairly conclusive that "have" would be the word within 400.00(2)(f) that provides for what the court asserts here.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Nope. There is no open carry exemption in the penal law. When you find it, please post it.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
where are the good Gun lawyers to call to find out ?? i think FUAC banned them in NY .. where are the Good Gun DA's/PA's .. FUAC banned them ..
where are the good Gun Judges in NY .. FUAC banned them .. so who you gunna call ??
where are the good Gun Judges in NY .. FUAC banned them .. so who you gunna call ??
The best person honestly to call is your licensing officer. They are the one who gave you the permit and who can take it away. If your LO says it’s fine you’re good to go. That is really the only person that matters. I have posted before letters from judges saying you may carry open or concealed.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
who do i call to carry my glock 19 bb gun ? CCW training LMAO ..
found out don't be a passenger with it .. fkin seat belt kept snagging it getting out of the truck lol ..
found out don't be a passenger with it .. fkin seat belt kept snagging it getting out of the truck lol ..
I borderline open carried last week at Sams Club. I was wearing a Safariland ALS with G23 and just a polo shirt to cover. That’s a big setup. It’s pretty obvious but I didn’t care as it is a retention holster.
As I was walking down the main isle when I entered a cop came out of one of the side isles. They have them working there in full uniform for whatever reason. He made a friendly gesture to me so I said “hey how are you today” Then he looked down and his eyes locked on my side. As he was watching me walk by he replied “good thanks and yourself” I said “good thanks” and that was it. He clearly saw it and it wasn’t an issue. He obviously knows to look for that stuff and knows what he’s seeing where to anyone else it isn’t necessary a gun at first thought.
As I was walking down the main isle when I entered a cop came out of one of the side isles. They have them working there in full uniform for whatever reason. He made a friendly gesture to me so I said “hey how are you today” Then he looked down and his eyes locked on my side. As he was watching me walk by he replied “good thanks and yourself” I said “good thanks” and that was it. He clearly saw it and it wasn’t an issue. He obviously knows to look for that stuff and knows what he’s seeing where to anyone else it isn’t necessary a gun at first thought.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
No exemption needed because there is no prohibition. Next.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Ghostbusters?
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
$3.75 .. now you got open carry lol
This is my opinion also.
Take it a step further. To have and to carry. You can take the gun and set it on your table at a restaurant. What law was broken? You are sitting there and you have a pistol. You are licensed to do so. It makes no difference if you have it on a table or have it on your side. Now if you want to carry concealed that is an additional permission given to you by your license class. Again my opinion.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
If you can leave it in your safe (not carrying it concealed) and be legal, why can't you leave it on your hip ?
The "and carry concealed" language was added because that was an *additional* permission you were granted beyond just possession. Because at the time the law was written concealed carry was widely illegal where open carry was not.
Also look at the permit for jail wardens and guards. Their language is also to have and carry concealed yet they open carry. Armed guards and security open carry. All of the license language is the same as ours. It’s either illegal for everyone or it’s legal for everyone.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
BTW .. when do bad guys buy holsters for open carry ??
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And that made your pee pee rise. You live for that?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Again. Show me where there is an exemption for open carry. Do not mistake non enforcement of a stupid law with legality.
“To have”
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
or thou shall not open carry in NY .. should fix the law lol .. like the shall not murder someone too .. lol
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That means to possess. Otherwise the law would have said to have concealed. There is a clear distinction.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Possession is the only thing that's illegal without a permit.
Permit makes possession legal.
There is no other charge.
There is no place in NY penal law that outlaws open carry.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Funny. Every lawyer says differently than Spat. All of them. Every lawyer the NRA hired to build their website that has every state’s laws says and says whether a license is needed to do X says different. You will not find one lawyer that says that the open carry of handguns is legal in NY.
Now back to your ridiculous notion that carry isn’t illegal without a license. If not illegal, then why the license to carry concealed? You wouldn’t need it right? All you would need is a license to have. A Premises license would be sufficient right? Because possession is the only thing you need an exemption from.
And while we are at it, read Penal law 400. They make clear distinctions between the 2 words carry and possession in multiple places of the whole law. I spelled it out for you in previous threads but as usual you forgot.
Here’s just one paragraph of many that makes clear distinctions between carry and possess.
8. License: exhibition and display. Every licensee while carrying a pistol or revolver shall have on his or her person a license to carry the same. Every person licensed to possess a pistol or revolver on particular premises shall have the license for the same on such premises.
Now come next month when this clown brings up another open carry thread, in will come Spat to say the same exact thing in contrast to every lawyer out there and in contrast to nobody open carrying in public issued a category F license.