Simple poll. Have you all made up your mind on the side you support?
Russia or the Ukraine? Which side do you support?
- Thread starter GOPerfect
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I voted for both.
ManualF150
.308 Win
I voted for both too.
I have friends that are Ukrainian and I have Russian friends. So it's like, eh...
Do I agree with what is going on? No, lives are being lost.
Then again, this "war" has been going on for many, many years. Russia finally saw the opportunity to seize the moment.
I have friends that are Ukrainian and I have Russian friends. So it's like, eh...
Do I agree with what is going on? No, lives are being lost.
Then again, this "war" has been going on for many, many years. Russia finally saw the opportunity to seize the moment.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I have friends from both places as well as others in the area. I support Ukraine as they are their own country and can do as they please. I understand Putins reasons but I dont support him.
I support Ukraine's independence, I hope Russia gets all the dirt on our dirty politicians and releases it. I don't care about either country.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
I don't care about the politicians, I care about the average Ivan who has no use for corrupt governments. Some old Ukrainian lady just got creamed in her car by a Russian tank. Screw that shit. If the president of Russia has a problem with the president of the Ukraine, solve it the old fashioned way with dueling pistols or swords.
What kind of a stupid question is that?
Any American that supports Russia in this is a total peice of shit. We do have a piece of shit here too. We all know who it is
Any American that supports Russia in this is a total peice of shit. We do have a piece of shit here too. We all know who it is
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
I feel for the civilians on both sides. Putin wants to secure its borders. They are a communist country and the last thing they want is NATO at its borders.
I absolutely blame our piece of shit POTUS. Putin wanted guarantees that Ukraine would not join NATO. And Biden thought he was playing with an amateur And never gave him that assurance.. Putin is a result of a communistic Soviet union very well well versed in having control and very hardened.
Biden played his bluff and lost immensely.
With that said I absolutely feel Putin is wrong in doing what he’s doing but He placed a stake in the sand and called dickheads bluff. And now we have to deal with the aftermath.
Biden doesn’t believe in peace through strength. He thinks that negotiations solve all problems.
I absolutely blame our piece of shit POTUS. Putin wanted guarantees that Ukraine would not join NATO. And Biden thought he was playing with an amateur And never gave him that assurance.. Putin is a result of a communistic Soviet union very well well versed in having control and very hardened.
Biden played his bluff and lost immensely.
With that said I absolutely feel Putin is wrong in doing what he’s doing but He placed a stake in the sand and called dickheads bluff. And now we have to deal with the aftermath.
Biden doesn’t believe in peace through strength. He thinks that negotiations solve all problems.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I’m on team Ukraine since how can you not be? Their country is being invaded and it’s wrong.
As for Putin getting dirt on our politicians he’s KGB he already has it or if he gets it he will not release it to use he will blackmail them to get something he wants more. Maybe he wants chaos in the USA and will release it, but something tells me he wants Ukraine back and sanctions lifted.
As for Putin getting dirt on our politicians he’s KGB he already has it or if he gets it he will not release it to use he will blackmail them to get something he wants more. Maybe he wants chaos in the USA and will release it, but something tells me he wants Ukraine back and sanctions lifted.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
None. Fuck all politicians in both.
Now the people will suffer.
Now the people will suffer.
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I'm half Ukranian so I guess you know my answer.
kaliber
.44 mag
Sad and senseless to see loss of life on both sides, especially the civilians in the crossfire. European borders have been shaped and re-shaped for centuries, Ukraine looks like a very modern and functional country that posed no threat to Russia. I’m hoping for a backlash within Russia and inside the Russia military.
No sovereign nation should be invaded - regardless of Putin's reasoning his attitude is no better than the Communist leaders he originated from. Regular people who want to live their lives are being destroyed.
And as far as Putin getting dirt on our scumbag politicians? Dozens of the pieces of shit traveled with Epstein and Maxwell multiple times and look what happened with that. The corruption is too deep, and the sheeple in this country too stupid and apathetic. "We're Americans - that can't happen here!" CNN will say Putin is lying, and 52% of the people will believe every word of it, and a lot more will just shrug. The ones truly angry and wanting to do something about it are few enough to be carted away by the PoPo on Ghost Gun charges if they make too much noise. Ultimately, what's the difference between them and us?
And as far as Putin getting dirt on our scumbag politicians? Dozens of the pieces of shit traveled with Epstein and Maxwell multiple times and look what happened with that. The corruption is too deep, and the sheeple in this country too stupid and apathetic. "We're Americans - that can't happen here!" CNN will say Putin is lying, and 52% of the people will believe every word of it, and a lot more will just shrug. The ones truly angry and wanting to do something about it are few enough to be carted away by the PoPo on Ghost Gun charges if they make too much noise. Ultimately, what's the difference between them and us?
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
Don’t have a horse in this race. Small country with an over abundance of corrupt foreign involvement is attacked by large nationalist country that wants its opponents a little further from its fences?
I quite fail to see the benefit to anyone here. It seems to be Russia swinging it’s dick, honestly. Sadly, I think it’s swinging at Biden and I’m afraid more of our soldiers are going to be sent unnecessarily into yet another proverbial land war in Asia.
I quite fail to see the benefit to anyone here. It seems to be Russia swinging it’s dick, honestly. Sadly, I think it’s swinging at Biden and I’m afraid more of our soldiers are going to be sent unnecessarily into yet another proverbial land war in Asia.
I will admit, I am a bit surprised at some of the choices as well as some of the responses.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Understood, but are you not concerned how it will effect our wallets? Fuel, food, etc... the costs will increase even more. If we had a stronger administration it may not have had to come to war. Because the world is a global trading market, we have to be involved with the world to some extent... Unless we could become completely self sufficient we will always have to be involved with the rest of the world.
But the fact is, we DON'T have a strong administration. We have an Administration that is hell-bent on eliminating fuel completely and driving up costs on everything else until we are all stuck as wage-slaves to their "New Deal".
It's hard to care about something thousands of miles away when we have problems right here, right now.
Honestly, part of me is hoping Russia seizes evidence of Xiden's corruption and shows it to the world.
But, either way, I'm having a hard time caring. Call it "unnecessary war burnout" if you wish.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
White House asks Congress for $6.4 billion for Ukraine crisis
WASHINGTON, Feb 25 (Reuters) - The White House asked Congress on Friday to approve $6.4 billion in aid to address the humanitarian and security crisis in Ukraine after Russia invaded the country this week, Biden administration and congressional aides said./cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/J3BOZTK4AFLD5EEI3LEHAAJD6I.jpg)
White House asks Congress for $6.4 billion for Ukraine crisis
The White House asked Congress on Friday to approve $6.4 billion in aid to address the humanitarian and security crisis in Ukraine after Russia invaded the country this week, Biden administration and congressional aides said.
www.reuters.com
A lot of corruption out there. After the big guy gets his 10 % ... Hunter is sent in to administer the aid. How much will reach the average common folk. One only has to look to Haiti and the Clinton foundation... Where did all that money go... ? Average person never saw a dime of improvement in their lives.
Same will go on here. ... A lot of money laundering being done ... If one delves into this situation. Oh I am sure one hospital will be built that will be a "prop " in how our money got spent.. We have been played for decades folks.
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I understand why Putin felt backed into a corner. I understand they are nervous about NATO incrementally moving eastward directly to their border. If I was the Russian president I would probably feel similar.
I really don't care about the Donbass region. As an outsider looking in it seems most of them would rather be in Russia so I don't care.
But for the rest of Ukraine...
I really feel for the Ukrainian people though. They seem to want peace a democracy and to be aligned with the west. They seem like good people. Their country is invaded and their world has gone to shit.
Putin wanted a buffer zone between him and NATO and he thought he could take Ukraine. The Baltics and Finland should keep their eyes and ears open. Stack it deep boys.
My concern is what happens next. What happens if Putin isn't achieving his objectives and Ukraine beats him back. Will he up the ante and use tactical nukes or anything?
What if Ukraine drags NATO into this then are we starting at ww3?
None of it is good.
I really don't care about the Donbass region. As an outsider looking in it seems most of them would rather be in Russia so I don't care.
But for the rest of Ukraine...
I really feel for the Ukrainian people though. They seem to want peace a democracy and to be aligned with the west. They seem like good people. Their country is invaded and their world has gone to shit.
Putin wanted a buffer zone between him and NATO and he thought he could take Ukraine. The Baltics and Finland should keep their eyes and ears open. Stack it deep boys.
My concern is what happens next. What happens if Putin isn't achieving his objectives and Ukraine beats him back. Will he up the ante and use tactical nukes or anything?
What if Ukraine drags NATO into this then are we starting at ww3?
None of it is good.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
If and this is a big if, Putin is doing things to hit the deep state players than I am all for it. As long as there is only damage to "their" system and way of doing business so to speak we would look back on this at some point and understand. Sadly there may be collateral damage but it would pale in comparison to the death and destruction the globalists have caused worldwide.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Globalist will want to cause worldwide
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I get it, but this war will negatively effect us whether we support it, ignore it or any other option.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
But what if his intent isnt to find and expose such evidence but to find and destroy it? After all, it wasnt Trump colluding with the Russians, it was Clinton and the DNC.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Look at the Donbas as NY. Just because a large % of the population wants to be part of another country doesnt mean it should be. If a majority of NYers wanted to be part of Canada does that mean its ok? HELL NO, we are still US citizens.
I get what you are saying but I think It's more convoluted and less clear cut.
The Donbass has at multiple times been apart of Russia/USSR.
There are no good answers.
kaliber
.44 mag
How are these not war crimes perpetrated by Putin, Ukraine is clearly an independent and sovereign nation at this point in time. No excuse for the slaughter of civilians and a sovereign nation.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
NY? Id let them go.