"Sandy Hook + freedom of women"

[@thewheels]

Once it leaves the womb it is a baby.

Wrong.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

IF you don't need more than 10 rounds, then your car/truck should have less than 100 hp. Boats should only have 10hp motors.....ATV's/snowmobiles at 5hp...chainsaws should only have a 14 inch bar....where does it end...

 

[@thewheels]

Roe v. Wade concerns a constitutional right

Another manufactured constitutional right by the mental gymnasts at SCOTUS.

 

[@thewheels]

Why redefine this age-old term for the begining of life?

Because science.
New technology and research makes us question what we think we know all the time.

 

[Defilade]

I still say Snappo...

You beat me too it. Either he has had a wife or Daughter that had an abortion and is trying to justify it or it may be Snappo's Cousin or the loon himself.

 

[Airborneguy]

It’s the same type of arguing, just slightly toned down. I guess he wanted to come back a third time (ADK was #2), and realized to last he’d have to be less confrontational. Either that or the doctor changed his meds.

 

[freddy]

IF you don't need more than 10 rounds, then your car/truck should have less than 100 hp. Boats should only have 10hp motors.....ATV's/snowmobiles at 5hp...chainsaws should only have a 14 inch bar....where does it end...

Exactly! The government should stay out of private matters.

 

[freddy]

It’s the same type of arguing, just slightly toned down. I guess he wanted to come back a third time (ADK was #2), and realized to last he’d have to be less confrontational. Either that or the doctor changed his meds.

Damn, you got me pegged. Rx upped last week!

 

[freddy]

You beat me too it. Either he has had a wife or Daughter that had an abortion and is trying to justify it or it may be Snappo's Cousin or the loon himself.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Damn, you got me pegged. Rx upped last week!

What's gotten into you man?

 

[freddy]

Because science.
New technology and research makes us question what we think we know all the time.

Science is a surrogate for religion these days.

 

[freddy]

What's gotten into you man?

A few hundred milligrams lithium.

Do we all have to agree on everything? What is the problem if I support a womans right to choose as she sees fit to do with her own body. You feel otherwise. You are entitled to that opinion just as much as I am to mine. We are joined by a passion for firearms, but that does not mandate other opinions. This would be a pretty boring place if we were all carbon copies of each other.

 

[Marine Cpl]

A few hundred milligrams lithium.

Do we all have to agree on everything? What is the problem if I support a womans right to choose as she sees fit to do with her own body. You feel otherwise. You are entitled to that opinion just as much as I am to mine. We are joined by a passion for firearms, but that does not mandate other opinions. This would be a pretty boring place if we were all carbon copies of each other.

It's not even that. According to you, a woman right in the middle of labor with the head peaking out can jam a wire hanger into the baby's skull, pull him or her out, and throw him or her into a dumpster behind McDonald's and it wouldn't be murder.

That's what you are arguing here. It's not even a rational argument anymore.

 

[@thewheels]

It's not even that. According to you, a woman right in the middle of labor with the head peaking out can jam a wire hanger into the baby's skull, pull him or her out, and throw him or her into a dumpster behind McDonald's and it wouldn't be murder.

That's what you are arguing here. It's not even a rational argument anymore.

It stopped being a rational argument a long time ago. Making it all about choice instead of the death of a human.

 

[Defilade]

Nailed it people!

 

[freddy]

It stopped being a rational argument a long time ago. Making it all about choice instead of the death of a human.

Death before birth... now that is magic!

Since you believe in magic why not take it further? Life before conception? Your semen is property of the state. You may not masturbate. Felony masturbation. All men would by serving life.

At least the supreme court got this one right.

 

[@thewheels]

Death before birth... now that is magic! Magic has nothing to do with it. Your construct of birth and it's power to magically confer humanity is illogical.

Since you believe in magic why not take it further? Life before conception? Your semen is property of the state. You may not masturbate. Felony masturbation. All men would by serving life.

Changing the subject shows how weak your argument is. Nobody here is arguing that a human exists before conception. And your semen example is intentionally misleading. Women are free to do as they please with their eggs.

At least the supreme court got this one right.
Agreeing with their decision on this in spite of all their other glaring screw ups? Weird

 

[dsdmmat]

Interesting how a thread about gun control legislation turned into an abortion discussion.

For the record I support abortion and that is purely based upon economics. The less unwanted children being born into poverty, the less crime and the less on welfare. I support the liberals desire to abort themselves into extinction.

 

[Airborneguy]

Science is a surrogate for religion these days.

So simply guessing is the new way to go then?

 

[Airborneguy]

Interesting how a thread about gun control legislation turned into an abortion discussion.

For the record I support abortion and that is purely based upon economics. The less unwanted children being born into poverty, the less crime and the less on welfare. I support the liberals desire to abort themselves into extinction.

I actually have no issue with the legality of abortion either, though I never would have done it myself. I firmly believe that once a baby can live outside the womb though, it’s murder.

 

[stuck in ny]

Death before birth... now that is magic!

Since you believe in magic why not take it further? Life before conception? Your semen is property of the state. You may not masturbate. Felony masturbation. All men would by serving life.

At least the supreme court got this one right.

If my semen is microscopic babes, then empty cases are ammo. Its not the complete item.

 

[freddy]

If my semen is microscopic babes, then empty cases are ammo. Its not the complete item.

Exactly. The complete item nurses, cries, and gets burped by a parent.

 

[freddy]

So simply guessing is the new way to go then?

No guessing needed. Not one bit.

 

[Sixbennetts]

A woman has the absolute right to choice, up until the moment of conception. From that magical, mystical moment onwards, ending that life that just started inside her is wrong. It's already another person, with different DNA than both parents.

It's not the flesh of the mother any longer. It is a separate person, and needs to be treated as such. It is a human at its most fragile point in life.

If we found a single, live cell on Mars, it would be

L. I. F. E!

Why not here?

 

[Darth]

View attachment 20885

A woman has the absolute right to choice, up until the moment of conception. From that magical, mystical moment onwards, ending that life that just started inside her is wrong. It's already another person, with different DNA than both parents.

It's not the flesh of the mother any longer. It is a separate person, and needs to be treated as such. It is a human at its most fragile point in life.

If we found a single, live cell on Mars, it would be

L. I. F. E!

Why not here?

This line has already been addressed once, but for those that missed it:

LIFE != Being a human.

We dispose unwanted life on this planet every day, Abortion or not.

Do these talking points just get plucked from a very shallow hat?

As for conception e/after, you say it'swrong, I don't. You try and force your belief on everyone, I don't. That's the big kicker.

Republicans are all for that small government until they realize there is something they think they should be controlling that doesn't jibe with their, often in this case, religious views.

Government is doing a real bang up job on everything so far, let's let them decide what a mother should do with her (yes, her, I've also already dunked the "it's no longer just her" talking point) body as well.

Too funny.

 

[freddy]

This line has already been addressed once, but for those that missed it:

LIFE != Being a human.

We dispose unwanted life on this planet every day, Abortion or not.

Do these talking points just get plucked from a very shallow hat?

As for conception e/after, you say it'swrong, I don't. You try and force your belief on everyone, I don't. That's the big kicker.

Republicans are all for that small government until they realize there is something they think they should be controlling that doesn't jibe with their, often in this case, religious views.

Government is doing a real bang up job on everything so far, let's let them decide what a mother should do with her (yes, her, I've also already dunked the "it's no longer just her" talking point) body as well.

Too funny.

"Republicans are all for that small government until they realize there is something they think they should be controlling that doesn't jibe with their, often in this case, religious views."

Ha! Exactly correct. 100%

 

[Robin]

No it isn't, sheesh!
Robin

 

[Marine Cpl]

Nope. Murder is already illegal. It has nothing to do with wanting the govt to get bigger. When you jam a wire hanger into the fetus's skull that has hair, eyes, ears, a mouth, a heartbeat, brain activity, ect it isn't the right to choose. It's the right to murder.

We aren't talking about egg and sperm and a few growing cells here.

 

[Sixbennetts]

This line has already been addressed once, but for those that missed it:

LIFE != Being a human.

We dispose unwanted life on this planet every day, Abortion or not.

Do these talking points just get plucked from a very shallow hat?

As for conception e/after, you say it'swrong, I don't. You try and force your belief on everyone, I don't. That's the big kicker.

Republicans are all for that small government until they realize there is something they think they should be controlling that doesn't jibe with their, often in this case, religious views.

Government is doing a real bang up job on everything so far, let's let them decide what a mother should do with her (yes, her, I've also already dunked the "it's no longer just her" talking point) body as well.

Too funny.

I never brought government OR religion into this. Don't project.

This is a gun forum. We're all here because we believe taking a life saves lives. We take oaths stating such. Many here have actually had to do just that.

It's not a tumor, a cyst, or a growth in a uterus. Those things will never smile back at you if allowed to grow to its full potential. It is a life, and no rationalizing about sliding scales and what's human or not will ever change that.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It's the first one.

Being an oathtaker is hard, but being an oathkeeper is much, much harder.

Defend life, all life.

 

[@thewheels]

Abortion, non-voluntary euthanasia and eugenics are r

When you jam a wire hanger into the fetus's skull that has hair, eyes, ears, a mouth, a heartbeat, brain activity, ect it isn't the right to choose. It's the right to murder.

According to SCROTUS, the constitution states that women are more equal.