Schumer: we will sue POTUS if he uses EO to help Americans
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This, I think is just Political theater.
I have asked a couple of friends about this EO, much smarter they are than me. None are fully sure if this is legal or not.
Either way, makes the Libtards look horrible. They look like complete bafoons not even acting like they support this type of assistance to the American people.
I am against all of this bailout shit. Stimulus checks, tax free periods, extended and extra unemployment. All of it. City, County and State bailouts, yeah, I am against those as well.
There will always be rainy days; both for the people as well as the local and State governments. When times are good, that is the time to stock up on needed resources. Money, food, water, supplies and the whatnot. When times are worse, as in now for many, that is what the savings and the stock of resources are for.
During these tougher times, made up or not, is the times for serious cutbacks. Cutting back on that which is not needed. In a household, that might mean things like cancelling cable of the cellphone, stopping smoking and drinking. No more going out for dinner.
In a government setting, this is the time that we should be cutting things that are extra; this list is far to long to put up here. I would start with all of the free money that we the taxpayers give to the poor and the lazy.
I have asked a couple of friends about this EO, much smarter they are than me. None are fully sure if this is legal or not.
Either way, makes the Libtards look horrible. They look like complete bafoons not even acting like they support this type of assistance to the American people.
I am against all of this bailout shit. Stimulus checks, tax free periods, extended and extra unemployment. All of it. City, County and State bailouts, yeah, I am against those as well.
There will always be rainy days; both for the people as well as the local and State governments. When times are good, that is the time to stock up on needed resources. Money, food, water, supplies and the whatnot. When times are worse, as in now for many, that is what the savings and the stock of resources are for.
During these tougher times, made up or not, is the times for serious cutbacks. Cutting back on that which is not needed. In a household, that might mean things like cancelling cable of the cellphone, stopping smoking and drinking. No more going out for dinner.
In a government setting, this is the time that we should be cutting things that are extra; this list is far to long to put up here. I would start with all of the free money that we the taxpayers give to the poor and the lazy.
Then I guess you won’t be voting at all because it’s commonly done by whomever is in office. By the way, EO’s are legal powers afforded to the President in the constitution so...
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I was behind a huge national shutdown and money given to employers to keep people on payroll. Then in theory we could have opened things up at a reasonable pace and people not lose all their jobs. Instead it's been a total cluster.
I was always against the stimulus because it's pointless. Why are people who are still employed getting $2-3k for their family?
Why were people who used to be making $12/hour now making much more than that while unemployed? And they still got their stimulus also?
And meanwhile despite money thrown at people we have this eviction moratorium. Why has the government seized private property to house people? The eviction moratorium is absolutely bullshit, and democrats and republicans both love this. Approximately half the rental units in the US are owned by small time landlords and they are getting sport-fucked like they never have been. Fact: Many people who can make rent no longer are because they cannot be evicted. Fact: Once evictions are allowed again there will be a many, many more months piled onto the process. That's just for rents. For mortgages I suspect if you stopped paying now you could stay in your house a few years before getting kicked out. Fact: Landlords who are running rentals still have to cover property taxes, maintenance, and their own mortgage payments (or they can play the "I won't pay" and screw their business interest over).
There are people right now who want to rent and can afford to but cannot find a good spot because a deadbeat is sitting there and the landlord can't kick them out.
I have often thought about being a landlord to diversify away from stocks. If I had a tenant right now who I knew was making money and not paying me because of this I would. Well I won't say. Let's just say I'd be extremely unwell.
I believe absolutely that these widespread moratoriums on evictions are going to massively upend the rental market and cost renters hugely in the future. The calculations of a landlord will involve the incredibly high risk of future moratoriums. A decent investor will have to consider the cost of that before buying a property to rent. I sure as hell would.
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
I concur.
As much as I abhor the Washington Post, they do a halfway decent job in breaking down what Trump actually did. Short answer: next to nothing.
BDinPutnam
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Quote me some text where it says the Executive branch can usurp the Legislative branch's control over taxation policy.
Not going to invest time into research just because you want to be difficult.
EO's are provided to the President.
EO's powers can be enhanced in times of National Emergency.
This we all know.
BDinPutnam
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Xae289
.223 Rem
A president can't raise taxes, but if the president decides not to devote executive resources to collect taxes that the legislature imposed, why not?
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
"Faithfully execute the laws".
Xae289
.223 Rem
Yea, you're right.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
And who is playing games? Both sides of the aisle. $375 million to General Dynamics?
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Much of the military spending in the GOP's HEALS Act replaces funding that was redirected to pay for Trump's border wall.
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livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
In 2012, Nancy Pelosi said a payroll tax cut would be a “boost” for American families
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Did she say how (by what branch) it would be enacted?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
They already have. A lot of them.
It's about time we recognized that if the left isn't going to play by the rules, then those rules don't exist and we shouldn't limit ourselves either.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The bailouts should be confined to the people effected by shutdown orders.
If the government "takes" your ability to work by executive fiat, the 5th ammendment requires them to compensate you fair market value.
"we're shutting down your business for the public good, but here's a check for all the revenue you will lose. The only catch is that you need to keep paying your suppliers and employees too"
I bet if they had to honor that requirement they would have found a lot fewer businesses that they needed to shut down.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
100%. Right or wrong, Schumer just pissed off 30Million unemployed voters just before an election. All of a sudden the democrats are fiscally responsible?
The republicans were against this bill, they and the democrats decided on an amount of of an $400 a week extra. The democrats had the victory . But they attached a bunch of pork to the bill like granting benefits to illegal aliens , and de-funding the wall ect adding so much pork that the republicans could never approve it in an attempt to blame the republicans for denying benefits just before the election.
They now find themselves in a odd position of acting against the will of their own base. LOL, It was a masterful play On Trumps part.
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
I think...We the People should repeal the 16th Amendment, ratify a balanced budget amendment, and the Federal .gov should live within it's means.
pjzwtl
.308 Win
Collection is executive but I admit that may be splitting hairs
I wouldnt say Trump necessarily cares.
This issue is a HUGE deal with the upcoming election on both sides....HUGE.
Economy can make or break an election.
Trump wants the unemployment insurance out now so there is time for the economy to bounce back. He wants people to buy TVs and cars and boats.....he sure as heck doesnt want you saving the money.
The dems want to hold out as ling as possible so the economy doesnt have a chance to respond. Then they can blame the economy on Trump.
Neither side gives a crap about us. They care about power and the next election.
Whoever gets their way on this issue gets a big leg up possibly.
spat
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Win or lose the court case, this will be a win for Trump.
If he wins, then he's the guy giving people that $400 extra and helping your unemployed brother in law keep his house.
If he loses, then it's the Democrats that are responsible for taking it away.
You can debate the morality and utility of buying votes like that, but the Democrats have been doing it for decades, and you can't debate the effectiveness.
If he wins, then he's the guy giving people that $400 extra and helping your unemployed brother in law keep his house.
If he loses, then it's the Democrats that are responsible for taking it away.
You can debate the morality and utility of buying votes like that, but the Democrats have been doing it for decades, and you can't debate the effectiveness.
Agree only note with tax increases!
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Throw in an amendment for term limits while we're at it.
And the Federal government would declare bankruptcy so fast the scientists would have to create a new measure of time.
They could tax every working person 100% of their pay and still not pay off the Federal debt in our lifetime.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
What sucks is that our republic and the rules and institutions within end up being torn down and disregarded. I know these types of tactics have been around for a long time, but I really became aware of it when Harry Reid used the nuclear option in the Senate to get around the Republicans. I can remember thinking to myself how bad an idea it was, because it would surely come around to bite them in the ass....well, it definitely did. It also help set a precedent that instead of debating things out and compromising, you just change the rules.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
You are correct to mourn the loss of the constitution, but the mistake people are making is trying to cling to it when the other side has abandoned it.
It is a contract, a compact by which people who disagree can still live together in harmony with one another.
Once it has been abandoned by half the people, the other half can't restore it by mere wishful thinking or by pretending it's still in force.
The only way to restore it is to make the people who originally abandoned it regret their decision.
It's like the "defund the police" thing. The best solution would be to just declare the areas who want that non enforcement zones for all crimes. Let those people live in a permanent state of "the purge" and they will change their mind about defending the police real fast.
Trump didn't suspend the tax. He just postponed it. It still will be paid.
There is a provision where it can be forgiven. Didn’t read the details but it’s in there.
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
Excise tax on imported Chinese goods. Use that money to pay them back.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It looks like congress has to agree for it to be forgiven but that trump's order means it can be deferred for now.