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SCOTUS Case Right to Carry Firearm for Self Defense
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dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Right, thats my whole point about NY being unique in that you don't need anything extra from the state for long guns, just handguns. Some states you need their ok for ANY gun. All of it is bullshit.
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
And....20 states now have constitutional carry. Major disparity between states. But...hey...that's federalism.
Note: There probably should NOT be a disparity between states with regards to the exercise of natural rights.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Precisely.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
If they have a 100 point spread, that means at least one of them is very inaccurate.
If you had 3 reloading manuals, and they listed a 30% difference in the starting powder charge for a the round you were working on, would you trust them ?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Guns are the only product that one states residents are prohibited from buying in another state.
Would be interesting to see someone fight that in court.
Ok?
Onegunnotenough
.40 S&W
What about magazine capacity if it passes?
I wonder if this will be addressed.
I bet the state folds in the 11th hour to sacrifice itself and only deal with issuing red card permits.
I wonder if this will be addressed.
I bet the state folds in the 11th hour to sacrifice itself and only deal with issuing red card permits.
Baby steps people, baby steps.
For those of you that think there is no hope- why are you sitting back comfortably in your home in that case? If you think there is no hope you should be out burning and shooting everything down. Unless you are content to live as slaves in which case you don't deserve to have any rights.
I believe that the night is darkest before dawn, that eventually, with struggle, hard work and patience we will see a restoration of our rights. It will take small steps, small victories to achieve, over a longer period than any of us would like but we will get there. Anyone that thinks otherwise better start revolting. Or putting on your most comfortable knee pads, have some tissue ready to go.
For those of you that think there is no hope- why are you sitting back comfortably in your home in that case? If you think there is no hope you should be out burning and shooting everything down. Unless you are content to live as slaves in which case you don't deserve to have any rights.
I believe that the night is darkest before dawn, that eventually, with struggle, hard work and patience we will see a restoration of our rights. It will take small steps, small victories to achieve, over a longer period than any of us would like but we will get there. Anyone that thinks otherwise better start revolting. Or putting on your most comfortable knee pads, have some tissue ready to go.
Onegunnotenough
.40 S&W
Or,NY will ignore the verdict. Like Heller.
Heller says all homes in the USA can have a firearm.
Without permit. Ny has Sullivan law,so that's out the window and nobody fights it.
Heller says all homes in the USA can have a firearm.
Without permit. Ny has Sullivan law,so that's out the window and nobody fights it.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
| Questions Presented | Thank you! I stopped advocating for NY 2A rights because of the ignorance of so-called 2A fighters that didn't know and when you explain it to them they look at you like dog watching a wolf howl on the TV. But my permit is for life they would say. Well NY SAFE changed that now didn't it. |
900. Just like tax stamps for drugs and machine guns. Oh, you mean you can't get a 900 credit score? Well, sounds like a sad day for you...
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
Illinois FOID just got struck down ..
khqa.com
Illinois judge rules FOID card 'unconstitutional'
An Illinois judge has ruled that Illinois' Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card law is unconstitutional. The 2017 case,The People of Illinois vs. Vivian Claudine Brown, comes after Vivian Brown was accused of possessing a firearm without a FOID card.
khqa.com
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
now the NYC deblasssoo opens his pie hole.
I think it will be a loss. I think Roberts will use this to allow New York’s permitting permitting scheme to become a federal law.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
It's not just up to Roberts though.
There are 3 who think the 2A only means the states are allowed to keep a national guard.
There are 2 who probably think most gun laws are unconstitutional.
There is Roberts.
And then there are the other 3. In previous decisions they would at least seem like they wouldn't stand for obvious infringements like may issue. But they don't have enough history at the top to really know.
Explain this.....im not even kidding...
I can maybe pull a screenshot if needed.
I was interested awhile ago so I went to Credit Karma to see my score.
It said my credit score was......4.......yes, four!!
Clearly a mistake, I have had perfect credit for over 30 years.
I recently got a loan for an $80,000 truck with very low intrest.
With a damn credit score of 4.
It's a shell game.
Did you know that if you work hard, pay off all your debts, put money in the bank, pay any new debts immediately, your credit score will go to absolute shit?
It's true.
They WANT you on the revolving door of debt.
Your score is based on your debt. How much you have vs. the credit limit you have, how regularly you pay it, etc.
My credit score went from the high 700s to 720 because I HAD NO MORE DEBT for them to look at. None, zip, zilch, nada. no credit cards, no loans.
so I'm told "get a credit card and pay it off every month".
Guess what, you can't get an unsecured credit card unless you have debt. (was actually denied by Discover because "your credit score is too low")
so I get a secured card, $600 limit, to use only for gas, and pay it off every month.
My credit score went from 720 to 620!
Why? Because I used more than 30% of the limit.
think about this. a limit of $600, which can EASILY be paid off every month by anyone with a job, but because I used more than $180 I'm considered a high risk.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
As OP. Please take your financial comments to a financial thread. Don’t derail this one!
Thanx
Thanx
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Maryland as well.
Says permit to purchase and carry.
Want a Gun in Maryland? Here's What You Need to Know
Looking to own a gun in Maryland? Read our latest post to find out what you need to do in the State of Maryland.
www.dtlawmd.com
Look like California too. This shit is confusing though in what you need to do. Wow!
Credit Karma is a total joke. I wouldn't be giving them my information. I've seen younger people come in thinking they have a great score then when I pull a real score they can't buy a pack of gum. Exactly the opposite of your situation. Just as scary though.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Feel free to copy and paste to other forums because the antis really want this to be the norm everywhere.
The insurance plan they are pondering in Congress is a back doorway to get the serial numbers of all your guns because you cannot have confiscation without registration.
Why non NY'ers need to follow this case and things you need to know about NY Gun Law:
Unlike the majority of states, in NY once you turn 21 you are committing a crime by simply touching a handgun without a Permit to Carry Concealed. That's right. imagine being at a Gun Shop and ask to see that Glock 19 the dealer will ask to see your Permit to Carry Concealed, Once he sees your license he can hand you the gun to inspect. No License, no Glock for you.
Getting a Permit to Carry Concealed requires you to attend a Gun Safety Class (remember you can not touch a handgun) so the instructors will use toy guns like Airsoft. Then you complete the 6-page application and you must include 4 references that live in your town. You must have the application notarized and along with the Certificate of Gun Safety Class and a completed Fingerprint card to the County seat of your residence. All in all, you have just spent between 300 and 500 dollars. Including driving miles. Now you wait. Some counties take 18 months or more. Then when you get your permit you take it to a gun store and show it to the dealer. The dealer completes the 4473 and if approved takes your money for the gun.
BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE.
The dealer gives you a coupon with the make and model and serial number. You must now take the coupon to the County seat office and they will prepare your permit with the gun pedigree listed on the permit. If you own 20 handguns, all 20 are listed. There is a charge of adding and subtracting guns at the office. Now you take your completed permit card to the gun dealer, he matches up the serial # and pedigree and then hands you the gun you paid for.
After going through all of this, the license was denied. This is the case that is going to the SCOTUS. This is also what the Anti-gun lobby wants to institute in the other 49 states. But wait there is more: Every county has different rules. Some put restrictions on your Permit to Carry Concealed that says you may carry to hunt or to and from a range. Some take 3 weeks some take over a year. Some are issued by a Judge and others by the Police chief. OH yeah! during the wait, they do contact your references and sometimes your next-door neighbors. Long guns in NY are the same as in your state except if they have a pistol grip with a detachable mag then they are illegal.
NY gun laws are not just "capricious and arbitrary" but the worst part is they are over 100 years old. The Supreme court could uphold the law based on the fact that NY citizens have not minded being infringed upon for over 100 years. The Truth is very few convictions and they were always plea-bargained until now. No conviction no appeal no Supreme Court.
The insurance plan they are pondering in Congress is a back doorway to get the serial numbers of all your guns because you cannot have confiscation without registration.
Why non NY'ers need to follow this case and things you need to know about NY Gun Law:
Unlike the majority of states, in NY once you turn 21 you are committing a crime by simply touching a handgun without a Permit to Carry Concealed. That's right. imagine being at a Gun Shop and ask to see that Glock 19 the dealer will ask to see your Permit to Carry Concealed, Once he sees your license he can hand you the gun to inspect. No License, no Glock for you.
Getting a Permit to Carry Concealed requires you to attend a Gun Safety Class (remember you can not touch a handgun) so the instructors will use toy guns like Airsoft. Then you complete the 6-page application and you must include 4 references that live in your town. You must have the application notarized and along with the Certificate of Gun Safety Class and a completed Fingerprint card to the County seat of your residence. All in all, you have just spent between 300 and 500 dollars. Including driving miles. Now you wait. Some counties take 18 months or more. Then when you get your permit you take it to a gun store and show it to the dealer. The dealer completes the 4473 and if approved takes your money for the gun.
BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE.
The dealer gives you a coupon with the make and model and serial number. You must now take the coupon to the County seat office and they will prepare your permit with the gun pedigree listed on the permit. If you own 20 handguns, all 20 are listed. There is a charge of adding and subtracting guns at the office. Now you take your completed permit card to the gun dealer, he matches up the serial # and pedigree and then hands you the gun you paid for.
After going through all of this, the license was denied. This is the case that is going to the SCOTUS. This is also what the Anti-gun lobby wants to institute in the other 49 states. But wait there is more: Every county has different rules. Some put restrictions on your Permit to Carry Concealed that says you may carry to hunt or to and from a range. Some take 3 weeks some take over a year. Some are issued by a Judge and others by the Police chief. OH yeah! during the wait, they do contact your references and sometimes your next-door neighbors. Long guns in NY are the same as in your state except if they have a pistol grip with a detachable mag then they are illegal.
NY gun laws are not just "capricious and arbitrary" but the worst part is they are over 100 years old. The Supreme court could uphold the law based on the fact that NY citizens have not minded being infringed upon for over 100 years. The Truth is very few convictions and they were always plea-bargained until now. No conviction no appeal no Supreme Court.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Maryland and California have lists of approved handguns. Thats what the "permit" is for to purchase. The "permit" will not be denied as long as you pass NICS and the handgun is on the approved list. But they are keeping a registry there,, which is crap. This info is from my brother who's been living in Maryland for several years and has acquired firearms there.Maryland as well.
Says permit to purchase and carry.
Want a Gun in Maryland? Here's What You Need to Know
Looking to own a gun in Maryland? Read our latest post to find out what you need to do in the State of Maryland.
Look like California too. This shit is confusing though in what you need to do. Wow!
Believe me, I have plenty of debt and I pay in full every month.
The thing with Credit Karma was just a mistake obviously.... A credit score of 4 isnt even a thing.
A couple years ago I " bought" $250,000 worth of equipment for my business and an $80,000 truck......I pay for them every month.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
This could backfire of course. They could rule that states can place their own restrictions on the Second Amendment. Then I say:: What is to stop states from forcing us to quarter National Guardsmen, or search without warrants, or beat confessions out of suspects, or make minorities ride in the back of the bus?
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Experts Say SCOTUS Carry Case No Slam Dunk for Gun-Rights Advocates
The outcome of the case against New York's restrictive concealed carry permit regime is far from certain, according to legal experts who spoke to The Reload. While gun-rights groups have cheered the…
thereload.com
Theres also still the chance that we win this case without actually expanding or clarifying the scope of the 2A.
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
If SCOTUS stays true-to-form, and rules against this petition, then states can forevermore infringe on the second amendment and ban carrying of defensive firearms. The second amendment will be effectively voided by judicial fiat.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I had paid off 2 cards and closed the accounts a few months back, My credit dropped from 710 to 650.
. OK, you play your games Ill play mine. I pay off 98 percent of two cards leaving 300 in each account. My credit is 760 now. Go fucking figure. So now I pay 50 bucks a month on them Until theyre paid off , then Ill buy 300 bucks worth of something. May even open another line of credit and do that too.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The same thing that ever stopped them, us.
The constitution and laws are just documents. Without people willing to back them up with violence they are just paper.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Theyrr more interested in how much available credit you're using these days. So don't close accounts with 0 balance. Keep them open, it adds to your total available credit and makes you look better. This is how my tax preparer CPA explained it to us a few years back.I had paid off 2 cards and closed the accounts a few months back, My credit dropped from 710 to 650.