If you are going to bend your finger 50-70 degrees which would be required to fire a pistol, it is going to happen regardless of what holster you use. How do we prevent that? Knowledge and training. It is automatic for me to properly index my finger before or as I pick up a gun. It doesn't even require a thought. Just like I don't have to think about breathing. It just happens.
SERPA Rediscovered
- Thread starter Chevusa
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
All those guys. That’s what you mean? Haha. Okay. It’s never happened unless I go and access the Serpa malfunction database. What a tool you are. You played this same game on the SWAT thread.
You made the claim. And are flopping like a fish out of water. Again.
Most people will never get into a real situation with their gun.
Most people have never been in a life and death situation, so the real truth and the honesty cannot occur.
Going to the range in a controlled environment? Sure my grip is nearly the exact same each and every time. Real world, not even close.
Going through normal training, never have the opportunity to know what true and real stress is.
To be quite honest, unless someone is in a life and death situation, no one can ever know the whole truth of their skills.
For either side of this discussion to give absolutes is ridiculous in the least.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Gotcha. Now I get it. Those other guys that it happened to was due to not it being natural and lack of training. It all makes sense now.
Elwood
.223 Rem
I would be curious to know how many have actaully been in a real world, life/death situation with their guns. I would imagine the number is nearly non-existent.
@Marine Cpl I'll give you an easy way out so you can save face. You've been beaten up pretty good here this last week on a couple of threads. Admit that out of all of the millions of SERPA's sold, a ND almost never happens.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Actually it has been proven that during real situations most training goes out the window depending on the stress level. Using your sights is out. Proper grip holds are compromised. Ect. Lots of things are ignored. I’m sure you’ve seen that oversees.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And that’s my point. It has happened during non life and death situations. Imagine during.
Perfect summary.
So your point, now, is that the problem is nearly non existent? That is what you've just agreed to. Flopping like usual. At least you've come over to the right side.
I am not even sure I actually answered the original question. I like the Serpa Holster. Matter of fact, I just bought another one. I like the way they secure the gun, I like the way the holster carries. I like the overall look, feel and design.
It is far from my favorite holster, most of my holsters have zero retention. I like leather the best. I am also a fan of some Kydex.
Every holster has pluses and minuses. The Serpa is no exemption.
Elwood
.223 Rem
Nope, happened to them because of poor trigger discipline, placing a finger into the trigger guard and applying enough pressure on the trigger to fire the weapon. When used properly, your finger should not be in the trigger guard until on target ready to fire, trying to be a quick draw John wick tactical mall ninja seems to be where people get their little sausage fingers wrapped around the trigger as they draw.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
When properly used. I’m glad you said that. Tell me. In your experience is equipment properly used under stress?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I’m not going to lie. I think it looks awesome.
Elwood
.223 Rem
First and foremost would be keeping your finger off the trigger till ready to shoot. The rest is irrelevant.
Using things properly under stress is where training and repetition comes in. When I first got mine 6 years ago I remember drawing from it with an unloaded weapon countless times to make sure I knew I was doing it properly. Never had a problem.
Training absolutely goes out the window at times. When bullets, motors and bombs are going off, most forget what they learned.
It's too bad everything has to turn into a bitch fest. It's like watching a temper tantrum. The holster isn't perfect. None are. But it's not going to make you fire a gun if you follow basic safety rules like you should no matter what holster you are using. If you screw up, it's on you - not a piece of plastic.
True, but drawing a gun and automatically pulling the trigger is a very unlikely one. If you are going to do that it would happen regardless of your holster. As said to exhaustion, my finger is naturally high on the slide when drawing from this or any holster. I dont even have to think about it. That's just where it lines up.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I can guarantee you that trained men at times forget that under stress. Just the same as other rules are violated. But that’s neither here nor there. That isn’t the issue. The issue is when the button gets stuck and additional pressure is used or when grip placement is compromised causing finger placement to be compromised. It happens inadvertently during the draw without the user meaning for it happen.
You've never been in a fire fight, have you?
Not a dig at all. There are times when the adrenalin is flowing hard and strong, forgetfulness is a real thing.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You haven’t been under stress my friend.
Elwood
.223 Rem
True, but that doesn’t negate the fact that your still responsible for every round that you fire, intentionally or accidentally. Wether that round goes down range, down the street or down your leg.
I will never disagree with this statement. During bad times, a round goes bad, one cannot claim it was because of a funky holster. I am responsible for all rounds that came from my gun.
My finger is naturally where it belongs. It doesn't matter. That's where it physically falls. You dont seem to understand that you dont have to press the button to draw. You use your normal (proper) grip and your index finger swipes the button as you are drawing. The draw is exactly the same as any other holster I own.
Sure. But that has no bearing on your holster.
My draw is always exactly the same with any holster. If you're doing something different when drawing from a SERPA you're using it wrong. The finger naturally swipes the release button. On any other holster the finger naturally swipes the side of said holster. If you're curving your finger and pressing with the tip of your finger you are doing it wrong and there is no excuse, as you wouldn't do that with any other holster.