My finger just doesn't line up with the trigger area. Period. It lands up high on the side of the slide. Makes no difference what holster I use. When I have a master grip it is physically impossible to be low in the trigger area. It is what it is.
SERPA Rediscovered
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Regarding stress, here’s a mistake under stress from a trained professional that has gone through numerous training courses and was more than likely confident in his actions during training. Finger misplacement is a mistake much easier to happen. Especially when something goes wrong and you are struggling to pull out the firearm from that holster.
That has nothing to do with it at all. He grabbed the wrong weapon on the wrong side. You might as well show a video of a person driving away with their coffee cup on the roof of their car. Neither have any correlation to a SERPA lock, and proper handling techniques.
Also, you didn't understand "physical impossibility" very well.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The fact that you cannot see the point regarding stress making you not think about what you are doing is telling. Really telling.
Stress cannot overcome a physical impossibility. By your logic, a parlayed person could run a race, if only under enough stress.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
All I can do is shake my head at that one. No other response by me can be given.
Because you can't overcome it.
Elwood
.223 Rem
I also like the notion of cops being "trained professionals" who have gone through "numerous training" courses. Some people think they have some magical training.
I know tons of cops that want nothing to do with guns, that don't like guns, don't carry guns when not required, and who only shoot once or twice a year as required. Even then it's a few rounds, whatever is minimally necessary, and they're out of there!
I know tons of cops that want nothing to do with guns, that don't like guns, don't carry guns when not required, and who only shoot once or twice a year as required. Even then it's a few rounds, whatever is minimally necessary, and they're out of there!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Just curious. What level of training have you attended?
Enough to know how to pick up and draw a firearm safely.
Elwood
.223 Rem
that’s where this thread is devolved to, that and making excuses for poor trigger control.
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If I stick my hand under the lawnmower and it gets chopped off is it my fault or the lawnmowers? The answer is obvious. Why? Because I didn't follow the operating and safety instructions.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And all those guys that have made that mistake didn’t have your level of training. That makes sense now.
Where was the trained professional?
Express "all those guys" as a percentage of total sales please. We will need to see the supporting data as to how you arrived at your number. How far under 1% is the number? We'll be waiting for you to prove your point, or if you cannot, we will chock up your claims to an internet "expert" talking out of school.
All guns, holsters and other equipment have the ability to be great, good and bad.
I think this goes beyond funny that all of this arguing is happening over a simple holster.
Wow, what a bunch of loser ninny's. Some like, some do not.
We don't even fight this much when talking about how shitty the Glocks are.
I think this goes beyond funny that all of this arguing is happening over a simple holster.
Wow, what a bunch of loser ninny's. Some like, some do not.
We don't even fight this much when talking about how shitty the Glocks are.
Elwood
.223 Rem
And your the only person who’s ever been in stressful circumstances or violent situations, the only person who’s sent enough rounds down range to be competent and proficient with your equipment. The tactical guru sent here to save us from our evil serpa holsters.Thanks for dropping this knowledge on us, I feel so much better now. Hopefully we won’t wet ourselves when things go sideways.
If you don't like something, say so, state your opinion, and move on. To continue insisting that you know more than millions of others who use one, even though you've never owned one, is totally foolish. That's what leads people to think those obsessing over it have some skeletons in their closets. It just doesn't pass the smell test.
"Hey, I don't like that design, I don't like the lock release, be careful and follow the instructions and train if you choose to use it." It's that simple.
At the end of the day, it's nobody's business what you choose to buy or carry. Go cry to mommy if you don't like it. It's falling on deaf ears here.
"Hey, I don't like that design, I don't like the lock release, be careful and follow the instructions and train if you choose to use it." It's that simple.
At the end of the day, it's nobody's business what you choose to buy or carry. Go cry to mommy if you don't like it. It's falling on deaf ears here.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
WTF are you talking about? What number did I give? I gave you a compliment. Your level of training is superior to all those guys that fucked up with this holster. That’s plainly evident. You are a well trained individual that’s cool under pressure and no matter what comes your way whether it’s being thrown against a wall with your hand mashed against the holster and the wall or on the ground and repeatedly struck, you will always grip your pistol properly at the right angle up high and tight up against the slide to be able to glide that finger gently like the pro that you are on the side of the holster like slick ice to eventually end up on the slide with total control.
Don’t be ridiculous now. We all know that those that it happened to are fools because it wasn’t even in real stressful situations. They weren’t like you who has trained in all situations both stressful and when ground fighting alike.
So you cannot back your claim of "all those people" as a factual percentage. Got it. You have been dismissed, internet "expert".
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What claim? When have I quoted a percentage? Have you been drinking? Hope that doesn’t affect your finger placement of something stressful happens.
Exactly. Its sad how some have to try their hardest to try to convince others that they are experts on something they've never owned.Carry in the manner you are comfortable with.
I'm a Ferrari expert. I read a 3rd hand account of how they drive on the internet once.
Oh shut up, you carry in a SERPA holster, nobody asked for your opinion.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I’m still waiting on that claim Chevy.
As for cops and "Professional" trainers go, I do not hold much water to either of them. Most departments just follow other ones.
If the NYPD or LPD does a big change, medium sized departments start to do the same. Then smaller departments.
Happens all of the time. Most Police are not as highly trained as is lead to believe.
The "Professional" trainings? They hold even less water with me. Some of these pros; look at their creds... Some served three or four years in the Military as a nothing type Soldier, deployed one time, grew a beard, bought some cool looking cloths and POW! They are professional trainers.
Neither group's suggestions mean that much too me.
If the NYPD or LPD does a big change, medium sized departments start to do the same. Then smaller departments.
Happens all of the time. Most Police are not as highly trained as is lead to believe.
The "Professional" trainings? They hold even less water with me. Some of these pros; look at their creds... Some served three or four years in the Military as a nothing type Soldier, deployed one time, grew a beard, bought some cool looking cloths and POW! They are professional trainers.
Neither group's suggestions mean that much too me.
In your usual fashion, you're flopping like a fish again. You do this every time you've been backed into a corner. Your exact quote was "all those guys that made a mistake". Well you're citing cases so back them up with data and show us a percentage of cases verses sales. You're trying to sensualize something that almost never happens. The sky is falling, go back inside.
I've carried in a SERPA exactly 1 day in the past 6-7 years (yesterday).
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I know deep down inside nobody really here is stupid. Nobody here really honestly thinks that they will grip the pistol the same each and every time when fighting and there isn’t a serious potential for error under those situations.
If you were to be honest and say,”Well yes. That is a serious possibility. I just hope that it doesn’t happen and I will do my best to hope that I don’t do it. I just like the holster despite it’s flaws.” then I could respect that. But to say that it can never happen is a lie to yourself and it’s transparent. It’s the mark of a weak minded individual that lets ego rule them.
If you were to be honest and say,”Well yes. That is a serious possibility. I just hope that it doesn’t happen and I will do my best to hope that I don’t do it. I just like the holster despite it’s flaws.” then I could respect that. But to say that it can never happen is a lie to yourself and it’s transparent. It’s the mark of a weak minded individual that lets ego rule them.