SERPA Rediscovered
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Are we sure I didnt see that mentioned at all, just that it had a strap on it
All flawed holster designs. A holster should NEVER allow access to the trigger. All from a company you touted repeatedly here as being superior. Sorry bud. You can't dance around it.
I never said anything about the 6070? Or whatever one it was.
Weird I never said anything bad about any other blackhawk products have I? Sorry you're grasping at straws here because you're to emotionally attached to a pos holster
Hahahaha can you imagine being that obsessed with thinking trash is good that you will try to justify it in any way you can including try to imply I'm suggesting to get a safariland that I've never suggested to anyone. You're a pretty sad little dude arent you
So now the spin is you never specifically mentioned an exact model number? You touted the company as being superior. Not all of the guns that went off in a Safariland holster used the 6070. Your argument is that a holster made specifically to carry a specific gun shouldn't actually be used with said gun. Hmmm.I never said anything about the 6070? Or whatever one it was.
Weird I never said anything bad about any other blackhawk products have I? Sorry you're grasping at straws here because you're to emotionally attached to a pos holster
Hahahaha can you imagine being that obsessed with thinking trash is good that you will try to justify it in any way you can including try to imply I'm suggesting to get a safariland that I've never suggested to anyone. You're a pretty sad little dude arent you
Nobody is obsessed with anything. I have a whole box of various holsters. This one was found tucked away in the back of a closet. if I were obsessed I would have had it on my side day in and day out.
Your arguments have fallen apart on many levels. I will not continue to entertain your nonsense which persists, despite factual articles and photo and video evidence you demanded.
Imagine being so dense and obsessed with being right that you ignore the millions in use with no problems whatsoever.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
So now the spin is you never specifically mentioned an exact model number? You touted the company as being superior. Not all of the guns that went off in a Safariland holster used the 6070. Your argument is that a holster made specifically to carry a specific gun shouldn't actually be used with said gun. Hmmm.
Nobody is obsessed with anything. I have a whole box of various holsters. This one was found tucked away in the back of a closet. if I were obsessed I would have had it on my side day in and day out.
Your arguments have fallen apart on many levels. I will not continue to entertain your nonsense which persists, despite factual articles and photo and video evidence you demanded.
Imagine being so dense and obsessed with being right that you ignore the millions in use with no problems whatsoever.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
They are superior and I did mention specific models.
Want to try again girl?
So now the spin is you never specifically mentioned an exact model number? You touted the company as being superior. Not all of the guns that went off in a Safariland holster used the 6070. Your argument is that a holster made specifically to carry a specific gun shouldn't actually be used with said gun. Hmmm.
Nobody is obsessed with anything. I have a whole box of various holsters. This one was found tucked away in the back of a closet. if I were obsessed I would have had it on my side day in and day out.
Your arguments have fallen apart on many levels. I will not continue to entertain your nonsense which persists, despite factual articles and photo and video evidence you demanded.
Imagine being so dense and obsessed with being right that you ignore the millions in use with no problems whatsoever.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
And yet my argument hasn't fallen apart once.. all you have done as an "argument" is autistic screeching about trigger diciplin as your evidence that you cant have an ND with these holsters..
Which is weird cause you can even holster a gone perfectly 100% of the time
Elwood
.223 Rem
Dude just stop, you’ve embarrassed yourself enough for one day across 7 pages of nonsense. Just let it go and admit to yourself your in the wrong. We’re all adults here there’s no need to keep dragging this out, your only making yourself look foolish the further this goesAnd yet my argument hasn't fallen apart once.. all you have done as an "argument" is autistic screeching about trigger diciplin as your evidence that you cant have an ND with these holsters..
Which is weird cause you can even holster a gone perfectly 100% of the time
I embarrassed myself? Hahhahaha oh god imagine being that ignorant hahahhahha
I'm not the one defending a known subpar holster like the serpa like you.
But hey girl whatever you have to tell yourself
This was the question posted in the OP.
The question was simple.... Do you or would you carry one?
As usual as of late, everything is said but a simple answer.
Short answer could have been...
"No, way. Too many issues for me". Or,
"Hell yeah, I love them".
But, some people think they know best and wreck what could have been a positive conversation.
No wonder I have so many on ignore.
Gentlemen if you cannot play nice you will be given a time out.
The holster has a reputation, rightly or wrongly it has a reputation. I was issued this style holster in Afghanistan on both of my all expense paid vacations. It did its job held the M9 securely and released it properly throughout my tours. I did not suffer any issues with it but, then again I did not roll around on the ground or do any IPSC competitions over there either. I would have used it on this tour had I not got a new job.
Simple suggestion: if you like it use it, if you don’t then don’t buy one or use one. There is no sense in making personal attacks on the forum and getting one‘s blood pressure up because you don’t like a particular product.
if you just want to argue to argue do it civilly or suffer the consequences.
now back to your regularly scheduled, “my pencil is sharper than your‘s“ thread antics.
The holster has a reputation, rightly or wrongly it has a reputation. I was issued this style holster in Afghanistan on both of my all expense paid vacations. It did its job held the M9 securely and released it properly throughout my tours. I did not suffer any issues with it but, then again I did not roll around on the ground or do any IPSC competitions over there either. I would have used it on this tour had I not got a new job.
Simple suggestion: if you like it use it, if you don’t then don’t buy one or use one. There is no sense in making personal attacks on the forum and getting one‘s blood pressure up because you don’t like a particular product.
if you just want to argue to argue do it civilly or suffer the consequences.
now back to your regularly scheduled, “my pencil is sharper than your‘s“ thread antics.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
ok, for the record I own 2 SERPA holsters. I bought them before I knew better. After learning a little more about handguns, gear, and the industry I realized that by using a SERPA the design of the retention button facilitates a greater risk of ND due to body mechanics and the placement of the "retention button". If someone feels confident in their personal operation and use of that holster, then who am I to say dont use it 
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It seems even BLACKHAWK! and the military have acknowledged problems with the ergonomic, and mechanical design of the holster as read here in this article from 2019.
www.militarytimes.com
.It seems even BLACKHAWK! and the military have acknowledged problems with the ergonomic, and mechanical design of the holster as read here in this article from 2019.
The Serpa is dead. Long live the T-Series
Blackhawk used to dominate the retention holster business with the Serpa. But bad press and well publicized failures put that holster in jeopardy. Now comes the T-Series holster to address the Serpa's shortcomings.
www.militarytimes.com
ok, for the record I own 2 SERPA holsters. I bought them before I knew better. After learning a little more about handguns, gear, and the industry I realized that by using a SERPA the design of the retention button facilitates a greater risk of ND due to body mechanics and the placement of the "retention button". If someone feels confident in their personal operation and use of that holster, then who am I to say dont use it
It seems even BLACKHAWK! and the military have acknowledged problems with the ergonomic, and mechanical design of the holster as read here in this article from 2019.
The Serpa is dead. Long live the T-Series
Blackhawk used to dominate the retention holster business with the Serpa. But bad press and well publicized failures put that holster in jeopardy. Now comes the T-Series holster to address the Serpa's shortcomings.
Great answer. This is exactly how thread questions should be answered!
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
My personal opinion on the SERPA holsters has much to do with people with shorter fingers. Those with longer fingers are more apt to fall on the trigger guard upon release. Shorter fingers under pressure will be prone to inadvertently fall into the trigger guard possibly causing a ND. More so under stress. It is what it is. Every holster with that kind of release can do that. Not to say they always do.
I'll take my ALS 10000-1 any day. I like the thumb release better, when I grab at my gun my thumb hits the release first and sets everything into motion.
Never have any issues with debris locking it up, ever. I use the ALS extensively when I'm outside working. Doesnt matter if I'm cutting wood with my chain saw or crawling around under brush to hook up chains to rip it out. My gun and holster get very dirty yet both always function perfectly.
I'll take my ALS 10000-1 any day. I like the thumb release better, when I grab at my gun my thumb hits the release first and sets everything into motion.
Never have any issues with debris locking it up, ever. I use the ALS extensively when I'm outside working. Doesnt matter if I'm cutting wood with my chain saw or crawling around under brush to hook up chains to rip it out. My gun and holster get very dirty yet both always function perfectly.
Umm no
With the Serpa you need to push your finger firmly where your trigger will be when you clear the holster.
A thumb break your trigger finger is raised when you clear the holster.
Huge difference.
Ummm no
With the Serpa you need to push your finger firmly where your trigger will be when you clear the holster.
A thumb break your trigger finger is raised when you clear the holster.
Huge difference.
Sorry, but there is nothing wrong with Serpas. Only people with poor trigger discipline.
Edit: While I have never been in a hostile situation, I have quick drawn plenty of times for speed trials using my Serpa and never had an AD. How is it that someone like myself (I consider myself to not even be an amateur shooter) can never have an AD but people who are supposedly military trained or professionals having issues?
Edit: While I have never been in a hostile situation, I have quick drawn plenty of times for speed trials using my Serpa and never had an AD. How is it that someone like myself (I consider myself to not even be an amateur shooter) can never have an AD but people who are supposedly military trained or professionals having issues?
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speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
I understand @Edwardteach72 frustrations
mechanically the the holster works, ergonomically its a bad design.
My finger is always in the same location when I have a master grip. Fully extended forward and always on the side of the slide until ready to fire. Any holster or no holster at all. Whenever I handle a firearm. The side of my fully extended finger swipes the SERPA button upon drawing. There is no pressing with the finger tip. A straight finger cannot magically bend 50-60° to pull a trigger.
Have you ever used one? My finger aligns perfectly on the side of the slide - never the trigger guard. The button is higher than the trigger guard area. Maybe I got the only one out of millions made that way.
My finger always ends up on the slide too, pretty much on level with where the slide take down is on my Glock 31.
Yup. Seems bizarre that people who are firearms enthusiasts don't have that basic safety rule down. No matter what holster I draw from, or even if I just pick up a firearm, my index finger automatically, out of instinct, is always pointed straight and remains so until I transition to the trigger when the decision has been made to fire. In fact, it is in the straightforward position before I even have my hand on the grip. Pretty elementary stuff. It's scary that people haven't trained to do that.
Elwood
.223 Rem
You can’t be a high speed low drag operator if your not curling your finger into the trigger guard on the way up to the target, seriously bro do you even operate ? Sounds like you need a tactical training class some 5.11 pants and a grunt gear tee shirt 2 sizes 2 small. Grow a neck beard, Then maybe you can operate and be tactical.
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Ive never used one of the Serpa holsters so cant really say much except what ive heard and read.
My question still is, why do so many people have issues with this one particular brand? Why do so many instructors and shooting pros ban them from training?
Another huge part of training, especially in CC, is to mitigate as many possible issues or failures.
What youre saying is that many, many people have forgot their training while using this one holster....sounds wrong.
Heres a funny story.
Back years ago my wifes dad decided to buy a car. He had his heart set on the 1964 Corvair. They already had a reputation for catching fire but many owners scoffed at the claim.
Well, he bought it and several months later burned down his dads garage after running the car hard.
To each his own but products earn reputations for a reason.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Picking a holster like this that has to have a perfect draw to be safe when others are available that do not have this problem is inexcusable. Bottom line, no one here would ever pick a gun that has to be held a certain angle to not have an unintended shot go off under stress. No one. But with a holster, it’s okay.
When numerous police agencies and instructors ban one product repeatedly, that speaks volumes. And then when someone says well I know what I’m doing and I know for a fact that if I’m pushed to the ground a pebble will not lock it up and my draw will be perfect as well while I’m getting stomped repeatedly, that also speaks volumes.
When numerous police agencies and instructors ban one product repeatedly, that speaks volumes. And then when someone says well I know what I’m doing and I know for a fact that if I’m pushed to the ground a pebble will not lock it up and my draw will be perfect as well while I’m getting stomped repeatedly, that also speaks volumes.
Glock has a bad reputation because they don't have a safety. Never had a problem with mine going off. Maybe they aren't good for beginners. Maybe the same could be said for the SERPA.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
Correct me if Im wrong but i thought Glock's reputation came from having to engage the trigger in order for it to be field stripped, thus if the weapon wasn't cleared you have an ND. In that case too it could be argued that that is a design flaw
It also came from agencies (such as NYPD) switching from Revolvers over to the Glock
Huge design flaw, or you could just check that the chamber is clear, you know, like you're supposed to. You can't idiot proof everything and wrap people in bubble wrap.
Absolutely correct.
When disassembling a glock you should always do it the way it was intended to be used by the manufacturer.
Using the Serpa as intened by the manufacturer, you can have a ND.
Intended use being the key words.